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[WalshistheGOAT]

Doesn't stop him doing dumb stuff.

His see ball get ball is unquestioned.

His running is unquestioned.

His demanding the ball when he's clearly in an inferior position to his teammate with the ball, is.

There have been many instances he's demanded and received the ball only be caught holding the ball an instant later, when he could have just blocked/shepherded and released the man with the ball.

Or when he demands the ball while under immediate pressure and just bombs it forward only for it to come straight back over his head.

It mostly seems to be because he wants the ball all the time, but if he could temper that by 10-15% and trust his teammates more, we'd be a much better team overall.

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Crippa went through a similar phase in 2022. I think thats more just ultra competitiveness and wanting to win the game for your team more than his footy IQ. Imo Walsh has always been a very smart footballer, but sometimes tries too much.

So in some ways I agree with your 10/15% part, but I don't put it down to footy IQ personally.

 

[katmanblue]

And when he was left out, we suffered as a side

Jagga essentially comes in for Kennedy, which does improve our pace, Doc also improves our speed

Will be interesting to see the make up of the side, but I suspect the focus will be on gameplan and ball movement, rather than just suffling players in or out of the side

It was quite stark a few times last year. Our mids would start side by side with opposition then within a couple of steps they'd be 3 metres behind because of movement and blocks put on them.

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[katmanblue]

Great write up.

Lord also has elite hands.

Personally (and it won't happen) I'd love to see Walsh on a Wing. Cripps Hewett/Lord in middle with Cerra Elijah Smith with cameos from Docherty Motlop & Williams. I'd like to see Cincotta as well when fit. He has a burst of speed and is a lovely long kick

The smoky is Wilson but he is likely a year away from playing midfield as is Ben Campo

If Cripps is missing then Hewett is a must but if all fit there are times I would play Lord.

I don't think Walsh would sacrifice his own game for the good of the team. Just the impression I get. Which isn't a bad thing. We need those "give me the ball" types when the pressure is on.

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[katmanblue]

Crippa went through a similar phase in 2022. I think thats more just ultra competitiveness and wanting to win the game for your team more than his footy IQ. Imo Walsh has always been a very smart footballer, but sometimes tries too much.

So in some ways I agree with your 10/15% part, but I don't put it down to footy IQ personally.

That's my point. Discerning where to demand it and when to let the other guy use it is where he can improve.

I remember LeBron being criticised early in his Miami days for passing the ball to teammates at the end of games for a higher percentage shot. He was doing the team thing, which many didn't understand but it was the correct play.

I want Walsh to do the right thing not get an extra 40m gained on his stat line.

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[azlou]

You can see his fitness has improved. He looks rock hard. I think he'll ragdoll a few OP mids this year.

He took an interception over Jagga who thought he had space closed the space and leaped over to mark.
Jagga was pissed punched his fist in frustration.
Hes broad and strong going into the ball Jagga couldn’t get around him he blocks opponents run with his frame smartly.
Cripps was full karate chopping his arm as he had a hold pre throw in they where going pretty hard on each other in the drills

 

[JustOneTime]

You've created a bit of discussion with this comment.

I'm sure people don't realise our total reluctance to have played Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy, Walsh and Cerra in the same 22.

The below shows we played them all in the 22 TWICE last year, both times with Cerra playing at half back (rounds 19 and 20, when other injuries had started to mount up).

Rounds 0-4, Walsh missed

Rounds 5-7, Cerra missed

Round 8, Kennedy sub

Round 9, Hewett sub

Round 10-15, Cerra missed

Round 16, Hewett sub

Round 17-18, Hewett dropped

Round 21, Kennedy sub

Round 22-24, Cerra missed


Every single time they were all available, we left one of Hewett or Kennedy out of the 22 (except Cerra playing back for 2 weeks when Boyd went out). On what basis are we changing that balance, given we will almost certainly add Jagga? People will say we lost the plot when Hewett got dropped, but that is ignoring the mounting injury toll. It certainly wasn't an issue for the first 16 weeks.

Unless we make Jagga sub every week and we want to continue to be too slow around the ball, you are likely to have made a valid point.

I think they did choose between the two...and personally, i think they chose the wrong player in preference. I think they realised that late on and now Kennedy is gone.

I think in 2025, Hewett is a lock.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If we had the option of these KPDs at the end of the year in a trade who would everyone be taking?

Sam De Koning
Brennan Cox
Leek Aleer
Jake Lever
Ben Miller
Jack Payne
Jordan Butts
Tylar Young
Jacob Blight
Josh Draper
Zach Reid

Or would you be more inclined to wait a couple of years for Harry O'Farrell to come on physically. Really liked him in his draft year but I imagine will take at least 2-3 years to develop the body to play at AFL level consistently. Possibly time we can't afford to wait with our list how it is.

Depending how JSOS works out, we just need a fill for 3 or 4 years. The likes of Butts would be fine. They don't have to be big names or the next big thing, just reliable.

 

[Coona Blues]

Depending how JSOS works out, we just need a fill for 3 or 4 years. The likes of Butts would be fine. They don't have to be big names or the next big thing, just reliable.

IMO the drafting of O’Farrell, and the redeployment of Silvagni(subject to playing as he is training) has alleviated the need to sign another mature KPD prospect. We have Young in reserve already, as well as Kemp and perhaps Lemmey who could go back.
List spots are tight, as is draft capital. Clearly we are likely to part with Young within two years, but HOF is a decent chance to be ready then. Ideally we draft another kid this year or next (Harry Dean somewhat likely as a f/s) to complete our future proofing.

If Phillips and Grainger-Barras are not putting up an irrefutable case for signing as SSP recruits, we should look to McMahon, key forward who has played key back, or Will White an impressive “home grown” small forward with the scope to play “higher”.

We have the pieces internally to form a very solid defence. We do not have enough salary space for a premium recruit and shaking a player loose costs draft capital. I understand the reticence of some with us being in a flag window and the perception of a weakness, but I have plenty of faith in what we have, while rejoicing at the signing of HOF.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

The game has changed in the last few seasons, it's more open and more of a running game with the ability to run up and back at pace and use pace to close down opposition ball carriers becoming more important. Cripps, Kennedy, Hewett etc would have been fine pre anti-congestion rules thought still a little slow/immobile.

I can see us using Cripps forward a little more. I can also see us using Smith forward and E Hollands forward and midfield.

Last year it was really evident the change when we had the mix right in the middle. Cripps Walsh and Cerra was a really mobile and balanced unit. Cripps, Hewett and Cerra/Walsh was good when the game was on our terms but it worked well. Cripps, Kennedy and Hewett was disastrous, we just got smashed. Our mix dictates how the opposition play against us. If we go too slow and immobile, teams would go out of their way to get the ball out wide and into space and just out run us. If we went too light sides would look to keep it in close so we need a structure where neither of those tactics work particularly well against us.

I can see Lord in the side at some stage. He's a big body and a good contested ball winner but he covers ground really quickly. Lord is by no means slow. His outside pace is decent but his inside pace is very good. He covers 3-10 meters much much quicker than Hewett and would even give Cerra a run for his money. This, along with his attitude, is why he racks up big tackle numbers. This sort of thing is what won Collingwood the flag a few seasons ago. This is why I think he is a really good shot at playing senior footy next season because he adds something that we lack, he brings a strength that as a team is a weakness for us.

There is going to be an onus on our midfield as to how well it performs when the ball is not in our hands. We don't chase well and that's become a big part of modern footy. I think we can hurt and do a lot of damage when we are winning the ball but otherwise this will be our barometer. I think this is the reason Lord could be elevated. He chases well, runs opponents down and he can also play footy and run on the outside as well as perform on the inside. He is what I would call a modern midfielder.

If it is between Hewett and Lord and Lord can elevate his offensive game to being similar to Hewett then it's Lord and it's not even close. This is where the modern game is at right now.

Hewett moves reasonably well when he's fit, his strength in the contest is good and he's a smart player but there are situations when he gets exposed and the coaches would be well aware of this. He doesn't get as exposed as Kennedy but he still does when it comes to defending/pressure application.

I think we are going to have to figure this out as the season goes on. Selection at this point will not be easy.

not fair to look at the mids in isolation, without looking at the ruckman alongside them...

TDK, to a degree, represents another set of hands at ground level - often as effective as having another mid.

Pitto, on the other hand, showed me last year he's a break glass only in emergency type....

Good to hear all the positivity around the athletically gifted HOK.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

IMO the drafting of O’Farrell, and the redeployment of Silvagni(subject to playing as he is training) has alleviated the need to sign another mature KPD prospect. We have Young in reserve already, as well as Kemp and perhaps Lemmey who could go back.
List spots are tight, as is draft capital. Clearly we are likely to part with Young within two years, but HOF is a decent chance to be ready then. Ideally we draft another kid this year or next (Harry Dean somewhat likely as a f/s) to complete our future proofing.

If Phillips and Grainger-Barras are not putting up an irrefutable case for signing as SSP recruits, we should look to McMahon, key forward who has played key back, or Will White an impressive “home grown” small forward with the scope to play “higher”.

We have the pieces internally to form a very solid defence. We do not have enough salary space for a premium recruit and shaking a player loose costs draft capital. I understand the reticence of some with us being in a flag window and the perception of a weakness, but I have plenty of faith in what we have, while rejoicing at the signing of HOF.

Ideally JSOS works out. If McMahon can go back, even better as he can handle the taller forwards.

I'm looking at HOF when he's 22, in terms of a regular senior player. Anything sooner is a bonus.

I completely agree that another premium tall defender is unnecessary. Very few teams have them.

 

[Blue Pulse]

The game has changed in the last few seasons, it's more open and more of a running game with the ability to run up and back at pace and use pace to close down opposition ball carriers becoming more important. Cripps, Kennedy, Hewett etc would have been fine pre anti-congestion rules thought still a little slow/immobile.

I can see us using Cripps forward a little more. I can also see us using Smith forward and E Hollands forward and midfield.

Last year it was really evident the change when we had the mix right in the middle. Cripps Walsh and Cerra was a really mobile and balanced unit. Cripps, Hewett and Cerra/Walsh was good when the game was on our terms but it worked well. Cripps, Kennedy and Hewett was disastrous, we just got smashed. Our mix dictates how the opposition play against us. If we go too slow and immobile, teams would go out of their way to get the ball out wide and into space and just out run us. If we went too light sides would look to keep it in close so we need a structure where neither of those tactics work particularly well against us.

I can see Lord in the side at some stage. He's a big body and a good contested ball winner but he covers ground really quickly. Lord is by no means slow. His outside pace is decent but his inside pace is very good. He covers 3-10 meters much much quicker than Hewett and would even give Cerra a run for his money. This, along with his attitude, is why he racks up big tackle numbers. This sort of thing is what won Collingwood the flag a few seasons ago. This is why I think he is a really good shot at playing senior footy next season because he adds something that we lack, he brings a strength that as a team is a weakness for us.

There is going to be an onus on our midfield as to how well it performs when the ball is not in our hands. We don't chase well and that's become a big part of modern footy. I think we can hurt and do a lot of damage when we are winning the ball but otherwise this will be our barometer. I think this is the reason Lord could be elevated. He chases well, runs opponents down and he can also play footy and run on the outside as well as perform on the inside. He is what I would call a modern midfielder.

If it is between Hewett and Lord and Lord can elevate his offensive game to being similar to Hewett then it's Lord and it's not even close. This is where the modern game is at right now.

Hewett moves reasonably well when he's fit, his strength in the contest is good and he's a smart player but there are situations when he gets exposed and the coaches would be well aware of this. He doesn't get as exposed as Kennedy but he still does when it comes to defending/pressure application.

I think we are going to have to figure this out as the season goes on. Selection at this point will not be easy.

I feel the game changed mid last season when they changed the "Interpretation" of the holding the ball rule. Our midfielders who crashed and bashed packs and stood up in tackles to get a handball off where then penalised for standing up in tackles or taking the game on. The handballs became quicker and panicked and we didn't have the speed to get into better positions

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Hoping we sign Will White as our SSP pick.

 

[bradfisher14]

Hoping we sign Will White as our SSP pick.

Bring me Phillips and White. I love Newy as much as the next person, but it is wishful thinking of the highest order to expect him to contribute meaningfully this year. We should move him to the inactive list and bring in as many bodies as we can't. Our next premiership won't be won through romance.

 

[Soapy V]

We will pick one player

 

[Juice030103]

We will pick one player

Any idea who that is soap?

 

[Lukey Skywalker]

We will pick one player

Who's your money on Soap ?? I think maybe McMahon as can play both ends, looks like he has atleast put some weight on his lean frame & has a nice reach at the highest put to mark or spoil

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

White to me presents as a player who could be impactful at AFL level injuries or not. McMahon is pure injury cover.

Wouldn't be unhappy with either after McMahon has come back bigger and fitter but I loved Whites work in the VFL last season and he showed a bit of flexibility too. Think he could be a quality half forward at AFL level. Huge tank and has great repeat sprint efforts.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I feel the game changed mid last season when they changed the "Interpretation" of the holding the ball rule. Our midfielders who crashed and bashed packs and stood up in tackles to get a handball off where then penalised for standing up in tackles or taking the game on. The handballs became quicker and panicked and we didn't have the speed to get into better positions

This is spot on, and was pretty ridiculous.

Pretty well known we had trained to break tackles, and now that was suddenly weakened.

Crippa is a beast so can still do it effectively enough not to be pinged.

In my view Walsh got hit the worst. Was probably something that he had just brought into his game and now suddenly it was penalised.

 

[Lukey Skywalker]

White to me presents as a player who could be impactful at AFL level injuries or not. McMahon is pure injury cover.

Wouldn't be unhappy with either after McMahon has come back bigger and fitter but I loved Whites work in the VFL last season and he showed a bit of flexibility too. Think he could be a quality half forward at AFL level. Huge tank and has great repeat sprint efforts.

Yeah really like the look of White too.

 

[Soapy V]

Who's your money on Soap ?? I think maybe McMahon as can play both ends, looks like he has atleast put some weight on his lean frame & has a nice reach at the highest put to mark or spoil

I really have no idea.

White has been the most impressive but do we need him?
Phillips has been okay but gets beaten a lot one on one
McMahon doesn't play like a KPP. He is mobile and needs space. Not sure where he helps us?
DGB is a third tall IMO so not sure where he fits either

There is a chance we don't take any of them. I know it would be nice to have another KPD but I would rate Young over this lot and we have Silvagni there now, Haynes and Lemmey can go back as well as can Kemp. O'Farrell looks very good but he's at least another pre season away

I think O'Keefe could play back as well but hasn't been there in pre season

Talk is we will hold over at least one spot for mid season draft and don't be surprised if we look elsewhere for last SSP

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Another thing to consider is the future of the list rather than just this years needs. Forecasting ahead our best 22 in 3-5 years may look something like

Jack Ison - Jacob Weitering - Lachie Cowan
Matt Carroll - Harry O'Farrell - Ollie Hollands
Sam Walsh - Adam Cerra - Lucas Camporeale
Lachie Fogarty - Harry McKay - Elijah Hollands
Jesse Motlop - Charlie Curnow - Ashton Moir
Tom DeKoning - Cody Walker - Jagga Smith

Cooper Lord - Billy Wilson - Corey Durdin - Brodie Kemp

The small forward stocks are still light on for mine. White could step up if he continues to improve and slot into one of those spots.

The KPP train ons would have no shot of displacing any of H, Charles or Weiters.

 

[bradfisher14]

Forecasting ahead our best 22 in 3-4 years may look something like

Jack Ison - Jacob Weitering - Lachie Cowan
Matt Carroll - Harry O'Farrell - Ollie Hollands
Sam Walsh - Adam Cerra - Lucas Camporeale
Lachie Fogarty - Harry McKay - Elijah Hollands
Jesse Motlop - Charlie Curnow - Ashton Moir
Tom DeKoning - Cody Walker - Jagga Smith

Cooper Lord - Billy Wilson - Corey Durdin - Brodie Kemp

The small forward stocks are still light on for mine. Durdin and Fog would ideally be moved past o

Pretty stiff that you've got Harley Reid in the reserves.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I really have no idea.

White has been the most impressive but do we need him?
Phillips has been okay but gets beaten a lot one on one
McMahon doesn't play like a KPP. He is mobile and needs space. Not sure where he helps us?
DGB is a third tall IMO so not sure where he fits either

There is a chance we don't take any of them. I know it would be nice to have another KPD but I would rate Young over this lot and we have Silvagni there now, Haynes and Lemmey can go back as well as can Kemp. O'Farrell looks very good but he's at least another pre season away

I think O'Keefe could play back as well but hasn't been there in pre season

Talk is we will hold over at least one spot for mid season draft and don't be surprised if we look elsewhere for last SSP

This.

He'd be competing wit the following for a spot - Fog, Mots, Durdin, Fantasia (arguably Moir and Cotts too).

Is he a clear upgrade on any of those first four?

It's going to be a hard decision.... personally, I'd lean to McMahon, reckon he's shown enough (noting he would be back up only for a Harry or Charlie injury).

 

[bradfisher14]

This.

He'd be competing wit the following for a spot - Fog, Mots, Durdin, Fantasia (arguably Moir and Cotts too).

Is he a clear upgrade on any of those first four?

I think the question here should be: can he stay on the park more consistently than those four?

All of them have serious question marks on their ability to play a full AFL season. We need more options at small forward.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I really have no idea.

White has been the most impressive but do we need him?
Phillips has been okay but gets beaten a lot one on one
McMahon doesn't play like a KPP. He is mobile and needs space. Not sure where he helps us?
DGB is a third tall IMO so not sure where he fits either

There is a chance we don't take any of them. I know it would be nice to have another KPD but I would rate Young over this lot and we have Silvagni there now, Haynes and Lemmey can go back as well as can Kemp. O'Farrell looks very good but he's at least another pre season away

I think O'Keefe could play back as well but hasn't been there in pre season

Talk is we will hold over at least one spot for mid season draft and don't be surprised if we look elsewhere for last SSP

Interesting, because as it stands right now we actually only have one spot available. Holding a spot for the MSD would mean not taking another SSP player now. Unless we're expecting Newman to be added to the inactive list by mid year, but the talk so far has been they want to give him the chance to get back on the field late in the season. It's unlikely by the time the MSD rolls around that they'd be able to make a definitive call one way or the other on whether he'll be good for ~September, so planning for a MSD spot would mean no more recruits until then.