Autopsy Rd 2 vs Hawks - Blues fight but lose due to lack of class and pace ... again

[RedFury]

it's round 2 let's not trade the entire team, sack the coach and burn the place down

What if we sack the place, trade the coach and burn the entire team?

 

[Arr0w]

Can somewhat understand the way they went last night with Harry out but if he comes back next week, it seems pretty logical how to swing our talls.

Play three tall forwards, with Young as the second ruck. Means Charlie and Harry can play as permanent tall targets forward with a sprinkle of TDK.
That’s a bloody hard match up for any defence.

JSOS goes back. Weitering/JSOS/McGovern is a little light on for height but workable.

Kemp and Haynes go back to the seconds.

Number of ways to setup

Weitering, Young v Naughton, Darcy, Jsos v Kennedy

Gov plays small which I prefer

Harry, Charlie, Moir

Kemp, Haynes out

Young follows Darcy into the ruck

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

The coaching department can defend it all they like. We lost - so maybe that’s an indication they didn’t get everything right?

I did see Voss’ comments.

Do you think what Voss said is a true reflection of his view or do you think he was choosing his words carefully to protect his player from the media spotlight?

Yep, they didn't get everything right but by the sounds of things you sure did.

It isn't the 1980's anymore, roles have changed

 

[jezza25]

Wayne Johnston?

Ryan Houlihan ?

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

Can remember an elite kick for us?

Who was the last one?

Fevola

 

[Opium]

Bloody Hell

“If you look at the way we defended, we defended hard. [The] tackle rate was up. We defended our 50 really well. Our forward of centres were really strong.

“But we also know we’ve got a little bit of growth to go. So, how do we become that just a little bit more efficient off those plays? We got plenty of looks. There’s no question on the looks. So, we’ve got some marginal growth in there to get after to be able to consistently apply it a bit more often.

“Sometimes just take your moments, don’t make it more complicated"


WTF does all this mean? He has had the side for 3 years!!!!

We also need to look at who wasn't available soap. We showed great spirit to come back back when they got 3 plus goals up on a couple of occasions. A few things went against us last night. Motlops poster on review. TDKs first goal which is never called a free and Jsos missed chest mark. I'm frustrated as much as anyone. But I think if we can inject a little more speed into the side things can turn.
Remember we lost by 20 points to the one of the flag favourites essentially without Harry, Charlie, Elijah, Fantasia, Durdin.
If and it's a big if. We can sort out our defensive structure and transition we can bounce back quickly.

 

[Opium]

Ryan Houlihan ?

Great call. Loved the chainsaw against the scum.

 

[Opium]

Number of ways to setup

Weitering, Young v Naughton, Darcy, Jsos v Kennedy

Gov plays small which I prefer

Harry, Charlie, Moir

Kemp, Haynes out

Young follows Darcy into the ruck

Like this set-up structurally. But Jsos needs to play forward.

 

[ETET]

Fevola

Scotland

 

[bigblueboy]

Yep, they didn't get everything right but by the sounds of things you sure did.

It isn't the 1980's anymore, roles have changed

I get forwards have to be more rounded these days but it is ridiculous to suggest Kemp’s only role last night was to tag Sicily.
Your defense of a zero marks, three kick game is noble, if not totally naive.

 

[Soapy V]

We also need up look at who wasn't available soap. We showed great spirit to come back back when they got 3 plus goals up on a couple of occasions. A few things went against us last night. Motlops poster on review. TDKs first goal which is never called a free and Jsos missed chest mark. I'm frustrated as much as anyone. But I think if we can inject a little more speed into the side things can turn.
Remember we lost by 20 points to the one of the flag favourites essentially without Harry, Charlie, Elijah, Fantasia, Durdin.
If and it's a big if e can sort out our defensive structure and forward entries we can turn it around quickly.

Sorry but totally disagree. I am tired of people being happy with effort and providing excuses. Effort should be bare minimum

Yes, we had players missing but Hawks were missing Lewis, Worpel, Dear, Scrimshaw in conditions that made the game tighter.

Also, Hawks are potentially a very good side but have done nothing yet.

If we were any good we would have won

 

[Opium]

I don't want to see Young in Navy Blue again

That first contest was embarrassing. Should never be tolerated

Harsh imo Soap. Thought after that first contest he fought back well.

 

[Monty1978]

Young is not a real forward threat

Who is … basically all tagging cotrell , fogs , kemp , doc when forward … shites me , I always say we have too many defensive forwards …last night I was with a Hawks mate and he goes your forward line is pathetic and I laughed at who hawks defenders were , they had Sicily , battle , barass , impey , weddle and jiath and we have these scrubs all being defensive forwards .. pathetic … Voss needs to change it up

 

[SurreyBlue]

Who is … basically all tagging cotrell , fogs , kemp , doc when forward … shites me , I always say we have too many defensive forwards …last night I was with a Hawks mate and he goes your forward line is pathetic and I laughed at who hawks defenders were , they had Sicily , battle , barass , impey , weddle and jiath and we have these scrubs all being defensive forwards .. pathetic … Voss needs to change it up

Well said Monty. We need goalkicking offensive talented forwards who can limit but also make the opposition accountable.
This defensive mindset from our coaches forward of the centre is destroying us.

 

[Blue__Balls]

It's like blaming an F1 driver for driving badly in a poor car. Hard to tell. For rookies it's even harder

Until he gets into a very good car it is almost impossible to assess how good he really is

I struggle to truly assess many of our players because the way we play makes it nearly impossible to be very good

I dunno - Massimo D'Ambrosio still looked like a pretty damn good kick in red and black, and they were awful.

We culled some good users in the past cause they weren't "hard" enough, but now we're a team of battlers who can't hit a target. Massive over-correction.

We need to be on the lookout for a couple of players like him this year. Budget, skilled but maybe a bit soft. Get them in and find a way to make use of their skills.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I'll also add to the last post. When I heard Voss say "Kemp is groomed to be our defensive 3rd forward" or something similar, I knew the kid was setup to fail.

 

[agro]

Can I just throw up this little glimmer of hope and believe it’s a very faint glimmer - given we got reamed on the TDK long goal decision, the Motlop goal decision and we probably should have kicked perhaps two of the three shots on goals in the third quarter and Charlie played pretty badly - we only lost by 20 points - are things really so bad?

 

[blueboy25]

Can I just throw up this little glimmer of hope and believe it’s a very faint glimmer - given we got reamed on the TDK long goal decision, the Motlop goal decision and we probably should have kicked perhaps two of the three shots on goals in the third quarter and Charlie played pretty badly - we only lost by 20 points - are things really so bad?

Pretty sure it was Clarkson who said things are never as good as they seem, nor are they as bad as they seem.

 

[agro]

I think I’m clutching and have started on Friday Night drinks a tad to early

 

[euphegenia]

Voss’ raw address clip up on blues website is as cringe as his presser.

 

[blueboy25]

So come sunday night either Sydney will start the season 0-3 or Fremantle will be 0-2

Anyone calling season over for either of these two?

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Voss’ raw address clip up on blues website is as cringe as his presser.

Yeah I literally just watched this.

I’m not really sure what to make of it tbh! Is it worrying? Or good ? Or barking totally up the wrong tree? Or trying to be to positive and sugar coating?
I wanna believe, but it’s wearing thin now.

 

[Bryce Bubbles]

Is there any chance we look at another coach in the next month if things continue ? Any one got intel or strong gut feel?

 

[BigFrizz36]

Pretty sure it was Clarkson who said things are never as good as they seem, nor are they as bad as they seem.

Was that just after he king hit Ian Aitken and saw the Dominator advancing rapidly for vengeance?

 

[Accidental genius]

Fair points and I don't disagree BUT I still believe we don't even try to improve certain things.

I don't care how good a player is if they can't look up and hit a target in space they shouldn't be playing. We simply don't look. It seems obvious to most (even opposition coaches) yet Voss doesn't address it

The other key point that was obvious last night is how much the Hawks get in and shephard, screen, create space for teammates and do the simple things well. That is coaching and structure NOT talent

You watch Walsh kick..

Every time he kicks he looks at the ground and tries to kick as long as possible.

He’s not interested in kicking directly to a team mate. Maybe he doesn’t have confidence in his kicking accuracy so he goes for maximum penetration somewhere towards our goal.