Autopsy 2025 Rd 4 Blues to petition AFL to halve the length of games

[Stamos]

Stamos What evidence do you have Voss doesn’t teach them the fundementals? In last weeks post match presser he was asked about teaching the fundementals and he said that it’s about repetition. They can’t repeat most likely because they can’t apply themselves mentally. When they have applied themselves they have deliveries as is evidenced by the 22 out of 27 wins record from the Gold Coast game in 2023 to the GwaS game in 2024. Execution. Execution. Execution. Ive noted you love blaming the umpires, coaches, rule changes…stop making excuses for the players. They are the reason we are 0-4.

Because I’ve never heard him say it’s the most important thing, the biggest focus, but I’ve heard it from coaches whose teams are much better at it (McRae, Simpson, Mitchell).

The players have been poor no doubt. But when it’s so dramatic across the field, with a completely failing system, then it’s on the coaches.

 

[Stamos]

I still can’t comprehend Docherty pulling out of a chance to hit Daicos.
Disgusting.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Because I’ve never heard him say it’s the most important thing, the biggest focus, but I’ve heard it from coaches whose teams are much better at it (McRae, Simpson, Mitchell).

The players have been poor no doubt. But when it’s so dramatic across the field, with a completely failing system, then it’s on the coaches.

Ok so because he hasn’t answered the question to your liking you think he is the problem? One of the most successful players of the modern era coached by possibly the most successful figure (player and coach) in the history of the game, is the problem? As opposed to a bunch of players who have been surrounded by losers all their lives and barr a 2 month period out of 10 years have never experienced success are not the reason? Okey dokey.

EFA

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Why? For who?
Just cause he’s our best player ..we just throw him to the wolves to make u feel better.
This is exactly why we are where we are are.

He wasn't moving too badly when he slotted that goal. I think you are giving him a cop out. You give him 1 down week but he's now been well beaten 2 weeks in a row.

That's fair to point out without "throwing him to the wolves" I think.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Ok so because he hasn’t answered the question to your liking you think he is the problem? One of the most successful players of the modern era coached by possibly the most successful figure (player and coach) in the history of the game, is the problem? As opposed to a bunch of players who have been surrounded by losers all their lives and barr a 2week period out of 10 years have never experienced success are not the reason? Okey dokey.

Disagree all you like Stamos at least let me know what’s your counter argument that the players aren’t up to it?

 

[Stamos]

Disagree all you like Stamos at least let me know what’s your counter argument that the players aren’t up to it?

Our fundamentals haven’t improved at all since 23. Our style of play hasn’t improved at all.

We are successful on talent, not on system.

And when some of our guns are down, we fall apart. We don’t have anything to fall back on.

The players have shown that they’re capable. Through the back half of 23, despite a lot of injuries. The way we completely destroyed Geelong last year. It wasn’t a fluke. But our system isn’t sustainable. And all good systems work on doing the fundamentals right first. We don’t.

 

[2blue4u]

Im glad i'm not the only one seeing the usual pattern.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Our fundamentals haven’t improved at all since 23. Our style of play hasn’t improved at all.

We are successful on talent, not on system.

And when some of our guns are down, we fall apart. We don’t have anything to fall back on.

The players have shown that they’re capable. Through the back half of 23, despite a lot of injuries. The way we completely destroyed Geelong last year. It wasn’t a fluke. But our system isn’t sustainable. And all good systems work on doing the fundamentals right first. We don’t.

Our fundementals looked pretty good against Geelong last year when we beat them by 10 goals and were comfortably in second spot on the ladder having won 22 out of 27 games since the Gold Coast win in 2023.

For me it’s pretty clear the players got comfortable and thought it was as just going to happen until it didn’t. Then all of a sudden they realised nothing is set in stone and they shat themselves and have never been right since.

 

[Blue Flame]

I'm partial to 1967s You Only Make Finals Twice. But then there is 1983s Never Say Flag Again.

Timothy Dalton in Licence to Butcher the Ball was a good one. Die Another Game Day was underrated.

A half is not enough...

 

[Stamos]

For me it’s pretty clear the players got comfortable and thought it was as just going to happen until it didn’t. Then all of a sudden they realised nothing is set in stone and they shat themselves and have never been right since.

That was part of it, certainly.
Reckon it might have had anything to do with the match committee stuffing around with selection? Also getting ahead of themselves?

 

[Stamos]

Our fundementals looked pretty good against Geelong last year when we beat them by 10 goals and were comfortably in second spot on the ladder having won 22 out of 27 games since the Gold Coast win in 2023.

It wasn’t really our fundamentals. We’ve never played that way.
It was our talent.
And our pressure was good.

 

[Beyond Blue]

It wasn’t really our fundamentals. We’ve never played that way.
It was our talent.
And our pressure was good.

At some point talent steps aside and the players just know what it takes to win. You are just making excuses for the players.

 

[Stamos]

At some point talent steps aside and the players just know what it takes to win. You are just making excuses for the players.

How do they just know?
What is that knowledge based on?

 

[Beyond Blue]

How do they just know?
What is that knowledge based on?

They know the effort levels required. They know the decisions required. It’s a trained behaviour. It’s a learned behaviour. You keep going on an about fundementals. How do you think fundementals are taught? It’s by repetition. When you’ve won 22 out of 27 games there’s repeat behaviours that you know will lead to victory. Unless of course you deviate from them or cannot execute.

 

[Brighton_Diggins]

Why the actual fork are we kicking the ball around in defence with little or no time left in the game. The game was all but gone yet we’re passing it around like we’re winning the game and protecting a lead. It was like they were trying to save face or something. I’d rather see a genuine attempt to win and risk getting belted. I wish there could’ve been a time out at the moment . As coach I’d be like ‘ do u see the forking scoreboard ‘!?!? This is what makes me think Voss may be in some trouble. Players go into self preservation mode when the coach starts to lose the group. It’s like reverse hot potato . No player wants to stick their neck out anymore and fly the flag. This club though…FFS…… the only word that comes to mind is WEAK. We’re weak both intentionally and unintentionally. Getting done by guys like Pendlebury and Sidebottom . I mean come on . These guys won a flag 15 years ago . The entire time they’ve played us over their careers they’ve just laughed at us. The last 15 years for us and beyond has been an utter let down. We have become the new Richmond pre 2017. It was bad enough enduring the clubs complete drop off last year followed by our complete and utter capitulation against the lions. But this year is an abomination that is beyond description. Since 99 Gf ( we were never gonna win that ) we’ve never seriously threatened the competition. We’ve teased in 2023/24 but that’s it. That’s it. I can’t for the life of me understand why we have so many paying members. What are we buying into anymore ? Rudderless …..

 

[Juddrockz]

Who got injured at the end there?

Williams wrist by the looks and then he was limping in the rooms. Suprise suprise.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

Carlton strong in the first half:

Carlton leaning over tired in the second half:

 

[Juddrockz]

Cripps 1 clearance. Has he ever had such a poor game?

16 disposals at 56% efficiency.

Absolute train wreck from him.

Still sore from that massive fall on his back from.last week would be my guess.

 

[Juddrockz]

The coaching is useless of course but there’s a few players that irk me and I need to get it off my chest.

Kemp - I’m really sorry but he’s not a forward’s arseh*le. Has absolutely zero goal sense. Just painful.

Ollie - sorry mate, I really want to like you. You just don’t have what we need.

Small forwards - collectively, they do nothing. If we actually had any midfield depth, I’d suggest just playing them instead.

Moir. Absolutely nothing. Harsh on him but you came on as a sub and you touched it twice in 3/4. Not a single tackle. Why on earth was he sub?

McGovern - the amount of times he drops a chest mark for fear of contact is infuriating. I’m so done with him.

Doch - sorry mate, it’s been real. You are so far cooked it’s sad. We’re doing him a disservice by continuing to play him.

This 1000% like I've written this post myself. I'd even go as far as throwing in trading Walsh an walking Williams out at the end of the year. Out of contract anyway isn't He?
Imagine us supporters just rocking up for one or to quarters and then switching off and go home? Just unacceptable.

 

[Juddrockz]

Every time I try to look on the bright side of things I remember that we don’t even have our first-round pick this year

Or second,that's gone to the Hawks aswell?

 

[btdg]

Such a bizarre game.

17 points was a respectable result. The gambling line was 12.5pts to Collingwood so it was about expected. But how we got there just seems so hard to understand.

Look, there is a lot wrong with our team. Bad list balance. Players returning from injury, or currently injured, or MIA for reasons we aren't allowed to discuss. Total lack of cohesion moving the ball.

But that didn't feel like the reason we lost. All those things were there in the 1st, 2nd and 4th quarters and we held up ok. Collingwood had their own issues and we were ok. There's another version of this where Collingwood get slowly on top and belt us by 10 goals and it would almost feel 'better' given our current struggles, but it wasn't that. We held them well and played the game on our terms.

That third quarter, though - was very similar to the Richmond game. Something just 'clicked' and we just went into a shell. Suddenly we weren't getting to spots defensively and were losing 4 on 3 defensive contests. Suddenly we weren't handballing and looking into the corridor (whcih had been working well), we were just blazing down the line. Everyone just looked shellshocked, but with no reason for it. It happened after the first goal - we started ok, they took a 3 pt lead and we just panicked for 20 mins. not 'got tired', because they weren't. Just completely unable to execute any part of football.

And then, I guess to their credit, it was like the switch clicked back on. They did all the things we want to see - Charlie went behind the ball, and for 10 minutes we held the game scoreless, and actually eased ourselves back into the match. We just lack the firepower to hurt teams when the game is on our terms and so even when we cut the lead to 23 with 8 minutes or so left it felt a million miles away.

Maybe that's what having such an unbalanced team looks like? But I dunno. We had awful games from Cripps, Curnow, even TDK (beaten by Cameron). Weitering was nullified. To my mind, in such a badly put together team that SHOULD mean we get belted, but we weren't. And conversely, we got good games from Docherty, Acres, Hollands, Haynes, who had all been struggling, and excellent games from Walsh (also coming out of a slump) and Hewett. It did 't look like the old days of Cripps carrying the load and weaker players getting exploited

I would love to hear an off the record take from Voss on the third quarter tbh. We will never get it, but I would love to hear what they really think ...

 

[P_Crippy]

Such a bizarre game.

17 points was a respectable result. The gambling line was 12.5pts to Collingwood so it was about expected. But how we got there just seems so hard to understand.

Look, there is a lot wrong with our team. Bad list balance. Players returning from injury, or currently injured, or MIA for reasons we aren't allowed to discuss. Total lack of cohesion moving the ball.

But that didn't feel like the reason we lost. All those things were there in the 1st, 2nd and 4th quarters and we held up ok. Collingwood had their own issues and we were ok. There's another version of this where Collingwood get slowly on top and belt us by 10 goals and it would almost feel 'better' given our current struggles, but it wasn't that. We held them well and played the game on our terms.

That third quarter, though - was very similar to the Richmond game. Something just 'clicked' and we just went into a shell. Suddenly we weren't getting to spots defensively and were losing 4 on 3 defensive contests. Suddenly we weren't handballing and looking into the corridor (whcih had been working well), we were just blazing down the line. Everyone just looked shellshocked, but with no reason for it. It happened after the first goal - we started ok, they took a 3 pt lead and we just panicked for 20 mins. not 'got tired', because they weren't. Just completely unable to execute any part of football.

And then, I guess to their credit, it was like the switch clicked back on. They did all the things we want to see - Charlie went behind the ball, and for 10 minutes we held the game scoreless, and actually eased ourselves back into the match. We just lack the firepower to hurt teams when the game is on our terms and so even when we cut the lead to 23 with 8 minutes or so left it felt a million miles away.

Maybe that's what having such an unbalanced team looks like? But I dunno. We had awful games from Cripps, Curnow, even TDK (beaten by Cameron). Weitering was nullified. To my mind, in such a badly put together team that SHOULD mean we get belted, but we weren't. And conversely, we got good games from Docherty, Acres, Hollands, Haynes, who had all been struggling, and excellent games from Walsh (also coming out of a slump) and Hewett. It did 't look like the old days of Cripps carrying the load and weaker players getting exploited

I would love to hear an off the record take from Voss on the third quarter tbh. We will never get it, but I would love to hear what they really think ...

I would very respectfully disagree on the good games by Doc and Acres.

 

[Styxx]

If you are on an AFL list you should already know the fundament parts of being a footballer

 

[Opium]

Such a bizarre game.

17 points was a respectable result. The gambling line was 12.5pts to Collingwood so it was about expected. But how we got there just seems so hard to understand.

Look, there is a lot wrong with our team. Bad list balance. Players returning from injury, or currently injured, or MIA for reasons we aren't allowed to discuss. Total lack of cohesion moving the ball.

But that didn't feel like the reason we lost. All those things were there in the 1st, 2nd and 4th quarters and we held up ok. Collingwood had their own issues and we were ok. There's another version of this where Collingwood get slowly on top and belt us by 10 goals and it would almost feel 'better' given our current struggles, but it wasn't that. We held them well and played the game on our terms.

That third quarter, though - was very similar to the Richmond game. Something just 'clicked' and we just went into a shell. Suddenly we weren't getting to spots defensively and were losing 4 on 3 defensive contests. Suddenly we weren't handballing and looking into the corridor (whcih had been working well), we were just blazing down the line. Everyone just looked shellshocked, but with no reason for it. It happened after the first goal - we started ok, they took a 3 pt lead and we just panicked for 20 mins. not 'got tired', because they weren't. Just completely unable to execute any part of football.

And then, I guess to their credit, it was like the switch clicked back on. They did all the things we want to see - Charlie went behind the ball, and for 10 minutes we held the game scoreless, and actually eased ourselves back into the match. We just lack the firepower to hurt teams when the game is on our terms and so even when we cut the lead to 23 with 8 minutes or so left it felt a million miles away.

Maybe that's what having such an unbalanced team looks like? But I dunno. We had awful games from Cripps, Curnow, even TDK (beaten by Cameron). Weitering was nullified. To my mind, in such a badly put together team that SHOULD mean we get belted, but we weren't. And conversely, we got good games from Docherty, Acres, Hollands, Haynes, who had all been struggling, and excellent games from Walsh (also coming out of a slump) and Hewett. It did 't look like the old days of Cripps carrying the load and weaker players getting exploited

I would love to hear an off the record take from Voss on the third quarter tbh. We will never get it, but I would love to hear what they really think ...

You think Doc had a good game? Wow

 

[Worm4]

Couple of observations from last night - we had a chance to physically take out Daicos with a legal bump during the 3rd quarter, and failed miserably.
This was line in the sand type of game, and we blew it. Our leaders had a chance to impose and didn't take that initiative. What a bunch of nice players we have. Newman would have run right through Daicos. Boy he is missed.
Ollie - sorry bud I've seen enough. Missed tackles because of having no muscles, missing targets in the corridor, its not cutting it any more.
When does he get sent back to work on his game ? It's sickening to watch.