How much better do you feel now that the AFL has issued another 'oopsie'?

[Cromulant]

Legal avenues only would work if there is no time left on the clock.

There is still 1.55 on the clock, even if it was paid and we kicked a point or goal there is still enough time for Gold Coast to win the game.

If however there is no time on the clock then the free/mark could be paid and the score determines the game result.

Interestingly this has happened against Collingwood (twice), Sydney, Essendon and Gold Coast - AFL darlings.

Essendon are far from AFL darlings

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Knowing the AFL they would do an internal investigation into corruption

No, they would claim to have done an investigation, but really done nothing.

 

[Coopers]

The club should publicly offer to pay for a comprehensive third party review into the standard of umpiring, where the results are published publicly.

And then offer to pay for increased training or other things to improve the umpires.

Make the AFL look bad for doing nothing

That might be the only way of coming out of this well with the umpiring fraternity. Otherwise we'll make them the enemy and it will continue.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Sucking up to the umpires is maybe better than what we have been doing. Which has been totally ineffective

What I'd like to see is the AFL forced into doing something specific. Coming out and saying "we will do X to fix this" so they can be held accountable if they don't follow their word.

And not just more training or whatever. I mean a tangible change to the way the game is adjudicated

The AFL have no interest in doing something specific that will stop them being able to influence the outcome of games.

Dill-on has told us the umpires has never been better.

 

[kirky]

Essendon are far from AFL darlings

Well they got slapped with a wet lettuce with the drug saga from the AFL.

 

[Cromulant]

Well they got slapped with a wet lettuce with the drug saga from the AFL.

Hard to do so without a positive test

 

[Scorpus]

The AFL have no interest in doing something specific that will stop them being able to influence the outcome of games.

That's why they need to be forced into doing it.

Or put into a position where not doing something makes them look very bad

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

That's why they need to be forced into doing it.

Or put into a position where not doing something makes them look very bad

Sure, but back the AFL into a corner will result in us travelling all over Australia...

 

[ams4crows]

If Silvers could ask for anything it should be the that Thilthorpe and Fog get those soft free kicks that Curnow, Larkey and Cameron get all the time. Any time their arm is chopped or held give us a free.

 

[NSolis]

They absolutely would not have adjusted the result. But we should have at least initiated proceedings so they were actually under threat for once.

They AFL gets away with this shit because they never face scrutiny. It's all closed doors, sweep under the rug stuff. Just imagine a public legal battle in comparison

Man that's a really bad idea. We'd be the absolute laughing stock of the comp threatening legal action over an umpiring error. Thankfully no club would ever do that.

 

[Scorpus]

Sure, but back the AFL into a corner will result in us travelling all over Australia...

Well right now we've lost 4 games in 3 years or whatever it is from umpiring errors.

Getting sent everywhere, which happens anyway, doesn't sound so bad

 

[Scorpus]

Man that's a really bad idea. We'd be the absolute laughing stock of the comp threatening legal action over an umpiring error. Thankfully no club would ever do that.

Who cares?

First up I don't think anyone would laugh at us for going after the AFL for costing us finals. Most fans would want their club to do that.

Secondly, if we exposed damaging AFL information who would be laughing then?

And thirdly, right now we're just a loser. Is that better than being a laughing stock?

 

[NSolis]

Who cares?

First up I don't think anyone would laugh at us for going after the AFL for costing us finals. Most fans would want their club to do that.

Secondly, if we exposed damaging AFL information who would be laughing then?

And thirdly, right now we're just a loser. Is that better than being a laughing stock?

What damaging information? Unless you think there's some sort of conspiracy against the Adelaide Crows which you're going to unearth, all you're going to get is 'we do our best to have consistent rules enforcement but unfortunately human errors occur as in all sport, and unlike other sports there is no obvious way to implement in-game decision reviews in the AFL.' Because that's true. Absolute most you're getting is the umpire demoted or whatever.

 

[Scorpus]

What damaging information? Unless you think there's some sort of conspiracy against the Adelaide Crows which you're going to unearth, all you're going to get is 'we do our best to have consistent rules enforcement but unfortunately human errors occur as in all sport, and unlike other sports there is no obvious way to implement in-game decision reviews in the AFL.' Because that's true. Absolute most you're getting is the umpire demoted or whatever.

It wouldn't be about finding a conspiracy, it would be about exposing the umpiring as horribly incompetent

You'd want to expose the AFL's internal documents detailing how many errors they make and contrast that with their lack of action to fix it

You'd want to expose individual umpires who make errors and see whether the AFL takes action on it. It would be damaging if the AFL is aware of umpires that make higher than average amount of errors but does nothing.

You'd also want to expose any conflicts of interest, such as umpires umpiring teams they support, and the errors they make in those games.

Probably also grill the AFL on the fact an umpire is currently employed by a sports betting company and an umpire that was embroiled in the Brownlow scandal

There is lots of information the AFL does not want public. That's good leverage and good reason to pursue them

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Well right now we've lost 4 games in 3 years or whatever it is from umpiring errors.

Getting sent everywhere, which happens anyway, doesn't sound so bad

You appear to be not understanding the AFL wants to manipulate the result of games... & they have manipulated far, far more than these 4.

 

[Scorpus]

You appear to be not understanding the AFL wants to manipulate the result of games... & they have manipulated far, far more than these 4.

Well if they were forced to cut off umpire manipulation that makes their lives harder

I'm not even sure it's overt manipulation. I think it's incompetence the AFL has no intention of improving

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Well if they were forced to cut off umpire manipulation that makes their lives harder

I'm not even sure it's overt manipulation. I think it's incompetence the AFL has no intention of improving

Lol, how is anyone going to force them to stop?

About as likely as stopping Indian bookmakers influencing cricket games...

 

[Scorpus]

Lol, how is anyone going to force them to stop?

About as likely as stopping Indian bookmakers influencing cricket games...

Well what currently happens is the AFL gets their way easily every time.

If they were actually under threat from clubs they might have to do something about it

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Well what currently happens is the AFL gets their way easily every time.

If they were actually under threat from clubs they might have to do something about it

You think clubs can threaten the AFL?

Seriously?

The AFL are a law to themselves (except when they lost control.of managing the Essendon drugs scandal).

 

[Scorpus]

You think clubs can threaten the AFL?

Seriously?

The AFL are a law to themselves (except when they lost control.of managing the Essendon drugs scandal).

Of course.

Clubs have immense power and influence. Why do Collingwood never travel to Tasmania or Geelong? Why do Geelong cop laughable penalties for rule breaches?

We aren't Collingwood but maybe that's because we keep accepting the shit the AFL serves us

 

[SugarShane]

Really good. One more and we get a free coffee.

 

[SugarShane]

Well they got slapped with a wet lettuce with the drug saga from the AFL.

Their punishment was to write off a year they were never going to win anyway, and as a result got rewarded with the #1 pick in the draft.

 

[pjcrows]

The only thing we can actually do is use it to fuel future performances, if harnessed properly.

 

[1970crow]

And for all of the 'well you wouldn't get the game overturned by a court', which is probably true, the real benefit of actually doing something about it was to set the narrative- i.e. that this was happening, and that we wouldn't just cop it any more, so that the next time it happened there would be attention.

The fact that this keeps happening to us is not coincidence. If we want to stop it we need to do something that interrupts the status quo. And when given the opportunity our administrators turned themselves towards something that makes them look better- time slots and crowd dollars- rather than something that actually changes the situation.

I generally highly value your views, but do you genuinely believe that AFL umpires have it in for us? Either by design or collective incompetence ? It's not correct, there is no bias.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I generally highly value your views, but do you genuinely believe that AFL umpires have it in for us? Either by design or collective incompetence ? It's not correct, there is no bias.

Bias doesn't need to be conscious. We routinely get shafted in high leverage moments. Do you think that's not happening?