Strategy Round 5 Changes vs Richmond Tigers

[Snuffaluphagus]

Few thoughts of the flow on effects of selection: Wagner, ODriscoll, Jackson for Young, Switta and Reidy are my guesses.
-With a 6 day break and double travel, also up against tigers where it is less of a risk, I think we play Reidy and Darcy builds another week and is fresh vs Gawn

• With Drizzy out and Young in I see the Switta/Dudley scenario break down into this: JOM and Johnson cover the wing time of Driz (Young in keeps our size in the guts). Switta steps in Banners role and splits it evenly with Bolton in fwd/mid action. Dudley remains in place and Banners is the sub as he provides much greater flexibility adding him in late.
• Worner in for Wagner is pretty clear cut but I will add we look very oversized down back and Tigers have a very fleet of foot forward line (be prepared for some out the back goals)

Have the guys gotten on the flight yet or is that in the morning? I reckon they are going with Darcy and he wouldn't be flying to sit around

 

[s_wd6]

Duds as sub will be fine I think.

 

[ubiquitous226]

Have the guys gotten on the flight yet or is that in the morning? I reckon they are going with Darcy and he wouldn't be flying to sit around

What's the chances they fly Reidy as well even if Darcy is on the plane?

 

[worsemim]

What's the chances they fly Reidy as well even if Darcy is on the plane?

Almost a certainty. You can't have Darcy pull up sore after the captain's run, and spend the entire game with VTB as main ruck against Nank.

 

[mattis117]

Dudley out of the 22 for Switta is poor

Duds has good form and Switta doesn't

Dude stop raging over shit that hasn't happened.

 

[King Huskii]

Dude stop raging over shit that hasn't happened.

Yet

 

[A Mantle Full]

Still hearing that Reidy and Darcy both playing is a possibility...

 

[Alfonz]

Does that mean Rankine is no good? or Bolton?

Not sure what relevance they have. Everyone knows they are amongst the most damaging players in the game.

What is relevant is that Champion Data throws up anomalies and quirks that are clearly wrong. Switta being rated elite a few years ago is one of those anomalies, as per the players below.

At the mid point of 2024, Champion Data had players like Baker, Neal-Bullen, Hinge (did you see his game last night?), Flanders (as a defender), McInerny (Syd), Rayner rated as elite players. While guys like Merrett, Neale, Warner didn't make the cut.

And I did not say Switta is no good. He is a solid player, I'd have him around the 12th-15th range on our list. But on no planet he is genuinely an elite player/forward of the comp.

 

[Lach72]

McDonald is interesting. Possibly a sore defender, but considering he got no pre season games, it's kind of come from the clouds.

Highly doubt he plays, but good to know the club haven't forgotten about him

Ryan was walking laps yesterday

 

[Nothing]

Does the sub have to come from one of the players named on the bench?

No. Sub can come from any of the 23.

 

[Dale147]

 

[s_wd6]

Still hearing that Reidy and Darcy both playing is a possibility...

That just makes zero sense. Voss provides everything Reidy does and more. Why would you drop him and have two big guys who can barely move out there

 

[Silencer83]

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The article that is continuation, the selection squeeze comment from JLo only works if the players who are in good form that are missing out are missing out because of other players in good form.

That isn't the case with Dudley in this instance, and wouldn't be the case if Walters came in for Reid down the rrack without some exposed recent form.

 

[A Mantle Full]

Personally I would not do it but...

 

[BurnedScones]

Playing two pure rucks has worked for us in the past with Sean Darcy and Lloyd Meek.

Granted those two ruckman were Sean Darcy and Lloyd Meek so, yeah.

 

[Paracleet]

The article that is continuation, the selection squeeze comment from JLo only works if the players who are in good form that are missing out are missing out because of other players in good form.

That isn't the case with Dudley in this instance, and wouldn't be the case if Walters came in for Reid down the rrack without some exposed recent form.

Reid is not going to be dropped because not only the 'eye test'; he is statically our best general forward, and by a reasonable margin.

I'd say absolute best 22 no injuries at all Banfield and Dudley are out until Reid moves to the midfield. Walters spot is the one they and Sturt are fighting for until then.

 

[mattis117]

Reid is not going to be dropped because not only the 'eye test'; he is statically our best general forward, and by a reasonable margin.

I'd say absolute best 22 no injuries at all Banfield and Dudley are out until Reid moves to the midfield. Walters spot is the one they and Sturt are fighting for until then.

Yes, 100%. Reid is already in the B23 so no one is displacing him unless he wears down.

There are few spots up for debate really. Dudley, while he has been great, I don't think he is absolutely in the B23. The way Walters was playing in the pre-season I think Walters would be picked ahead of Dudley. I'm hoping Walters can find that form again and play an important role this season.

B23 excluding Walker has probably shifted to:

B: Ryan, Pearce, Draper
HB: Clark, Cox, Wagner/Simpson
C: NOD/JOM, Brayshaw, Sharp (?)
HF: Frederick, Amiss, Reid
F: Jackson, Treacy, Bolton

Fol: Darcy, Serong, Young
Interchange: Chapman, Johnson, Switkowski, Walters/Dudley
Sub: One of NOD/JOM

I think only one of Dudley and Walters can play, same with NOD/JOM now with Young back, same with Wagner and Simpson in a few weeks time as Simpson settles into the HB roll.

With a fully fit team (probably never going to happen), the selection squeeze is ridiculous.

Peel could have a line up of: Fyfe, NOD, Walters, Banfield, Worner, Erasmus, Brodie, McDonald, Voss, Reidy, Narkle, Aish, Sturt, Murphy for example.

Touchwood we get to see this happen soon.

 

[malpaso]

Not sure what relevance they have. Everyone knows they are amongst the most damaging players in the game.

What is relevant is that Champion Data throws up anomalies and quirks that are clearly wrong. Switta being rated elite a few years ago is one of those anomalies, as per the players below.

At the mid point of 2024, Champion Data had players like Baker, Neal-Bullen, Hinge (did you see his game last night?), Flanders (as a defender), McInerny (Syd), Rayner rated as elite players. While guys like Merrett, Neale, Warner didn't make the cut.

And I did not say Switta is no good. He is a solid player, I'd have him around the 12th-15th range on our list. But on no planet he is genuinely an elite player/forward of the comp.

It's relevant to what you said having midfield stats skew the ranking of forwards that go into the midfield. You said it.

 

[Paracleet]

Actually these stats tell us some things I reckon:


1) Dudley's ground game is not there yet. We can't have a small forward going at 1 GBG a game.
2) Reid is a freak. 21st in the comp for hard ball gets*, 8th for post clearance ground ball gets!

* Of the 20 guys above him 19 are starting inside mids, with several Bronwlows between them, and the other is, Kozzie Pickett...

 

[swanny1234]

Reid is not going to be dropped because not only the 'eye test'; he is statically our best general forward, and by a reasonable margin.

I'd say absolute best 22 no injuries at all Banfield and Dudley are out until Reid moves to the midfield. Walters spot is the one they and Sturt are fighting for until then.

Dudley is an entirely different player to a Sturt or a Banfield or even a Switta… with no disrespect to those guys, they’re effort players, they work hard, they give their all… but they aren’t natural footballers.

We’ve only seen 2 games, but Dudley has something that those guys don’t - the same thing that Bolton and Reid also have and that’s a natural footballing ability and flair. I honestly think we’ve missed it in recent years since prime Walters and Ballantyne - now we have an opportunity to have three of them in the same forward line (maybe even a fourth if we sign Kozzie next year).

I’d rather play the guy that might kick 3/4 goals in 10 touches, than the guy that might have 20 touches but kick 1.

That’s my two cents anyway

 

[Big Animal]

I don't really compare Duds to Swit. Swit is the super fast half forward that helps out in the centre, moves the ball forward, adds forward pressure, tackles hard. Duds is your classic one touch goal out of nowhere small forward pocket that turns fast breaks into goals (Willie Rioli-like if you will). Looking back at Duds goals and you just know if swit was the one getting the ball, he would be looking for a pass and the goal would likely not have happened. Reid reminds me of a young Gablett Jr who is getting experience in a safe place on the ground away from the bash and crash of the big mids before becoming a future midfield star as his body develops.

If it's me, I'm dropping Banfield from a HF role for Swit, not Duds (sure, if BB is needed on the wing to fill in, well that's a different discussion).

If anyone is replacing Swit, it's Kosi who plays a very similar role except also kicks a lot of goals. But that discussion is for the list management thread.

In summary, I want both Duds and Swit out there (if Swit is ready to go at close to his 100% for the whole game)

 

[Paracleet]

Dudley is an entirely different player to a Sturt or a Banfield or even a Switta… with no disrespect to those guys, they’re effort players, they work hard, they give their all… but they aren’t natural footballers.

We’ve only seen 2 games, but Dudley has something that those guys don’t - the same thing that Bolton and Reid also have and that’s a natural footballing ability and flair. I honestly think we’ve missed it in recent years since prime Walters and Ballantyne - now we have an opportunity to have three of them in the same forward line (maybe even a fourth if we sign Kozzie next year).

I’d rather play the guy that might kick 3/4 goals in 10 touches, than the guy that might have 20 touches but kick 1.

That’s my two cents anyway

He not fit enough to run out 4 quarters and not winning ground ball despite being 168 cm tall. I'm very impressed with some of his game and I think he is going to be an AFL player. He will push role players or old players like Walters out of the team, but he is not best 22 yet and we can't carry anyone. Sure if he genuinely was going to kick 3 or 4 some games but at the moment he'd have to be doing it from handball receives or lead ups. Doesn't seem likely.

With Walters out and Sturt out, and he wasn't fit before the re-occurance, I would probably be inclined to put Banners on the sub bench and give Dudley a game or two's more experience. I understand completely however if they think that can't be justified.

 

[Paracleet]

I don't really compare Duds to Swit. Swit is the super fast half forward that helps out in the centre, moves the ball forward, adds forward pressure, tackles hard. Duds is your classic one touch goal out of nowhere small forward pocket that turns fast breaks into goals (Willie Rioli-like if you will). Looking back at Duds goals and you just know if swit was the one getting the ball, he would be looking for a pass and the goal would likely not have happened. Reid reminds me of a young Gablett Jr who is getting experience in a safe place on the ground away from the bash and crash of the big mids before becoming a future midfield star as his body develops.

If it's me, I'm dropping Banfield from a HF role for Swit, not Duds (sure, if BB is needed on the wing to fill in, well that's a different discussion).

If anyone is replacing Swit, it's Kosi who plays a very similar role except also kicks a lot of goals. But that discussion is for the list management thread.

In summary, I want both Duds and Swit out there (if Swit is ready to go at close to his 100% for the whole game)

Half forward and forward pocket still is a thing in that 1 or 2 of the smaller forwards will be closer to goal than the other 1 or 2. I agree Switta is exclusively a high half forward and therefor he and Dudley are not really completing for the same spot. Reid has the other high spot nailed down and in our last few games Dudley has stayed forward (until we broke formation to in the 4th quarter against the dogs to defend the lead, I thought he showed good footy instincts in that quarter btw). Banfield and Freddy have been swapping between high and closer to goal so those are the two in the gun. They value Freddy's speed so highly I think Banfield is who he is really competing with.

 

[Taylor]

I think Switkowski and Bolton have very similar plans for games. Very curious to see what happens with both in the side.

 

[Midnite65]

Actually these stats tell us some things I reckon:
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1) Dudley's ground game is not there yet. We can't have a small forward going at 1 GBG a game.
2) Reid is a freak. 21st in the comp for hard ball gets*, 8th for post clearance ground ball gets!

* Of the 20 guys above him 19 are starting inside mids, with several Bronwlows between them, and the other is, Kozzie Pickett...

Great stats but they don't show goals per game or am I missing something. Would be nice for Switta to score a bit more often and be able to kick more than 35 metres.