List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Jumpoff Joey]

People here thinking the Hawks first round pick is going to get Curtin are idiots as it stands. If he continues the year how he finished last year and has started this one he is going top 5. He's 200cm, aggressive, can play either end, is a great mark and just keeps kicking goals.

If people want a Thilthorpe style FF for the future then Curtin is your pick. He's taller, much stronger and plays more direct than his brother. He's not quite as good at ground level but he's no slouch either and certainly above AFL KP average.

So we take Curtin at 2.

Who is playing where?

Archer Reid looks like he is KPF, I havent heard nothing but good things about Shahan as a KPF, and now Curtin as KPF.

Which one is now moving down back?

Also, if we select Curtin is there a BIG chance his older brother Daniel will want to come home soon enough?

 

[Dark Sharks]

After the Barnett failure and general length of time it takes a young ruckman to be "useful" I'd rather pick one up via FA or through the MSD.

Knobel still isn't playing still. Really wish we'd picked up Crossley.

I'm hoping after solid B2B games in the WAFL Flynn could bring some of that confidence and form back to AFL level, like how he used to be at GWS.

 

[Elite Pete]

After the Barnett failure and general length of time it takes a young ruckman to be "useful" I'd rather pick one up via FA or through the MSD.

Knobel still isn't playing still. Really wish we'd picked up Crossley.

I'm hoping after solid B2B games in the WAFL Flynn could bring some of that confidence and form back to AFL level, like how he used to be at GWS.

Agreed with Flynn as much his current WAFL form is being talked down due to his opposition. He wasn’t doing this when playing at WAFL level last year post injury.

I think BWill is going to struggle today against TDK and Flynn will be back in next week. Should get a true feel for if he can compete after the Bombers rucks. They are solid afl rucks and he can’t have a game like he did against Witts

 

[quackish]

I just don’t wanna end up like Carlton. Because they’re essentially just Cripps and Weitering. Build a super strong midfield and then worry about KP and Ruck with later picks or trade/FA

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I just don’t wanna end up like Carlton. Because they’re essentially just Cripps and Weitering. Build a super strong midfield and then worry about KP and Ruck with later picks or trade/FA

And end up like Freo?

Truth is we are just better at identifying and developing tall talent than we are midfielders.

If we take Rodriguez and Curtin with our first two picks we'd basically have a KPP stocks sorted for over a decade, while also adding to the midfield.

 

[Mattman93]

I'm telling you now, Curtin keeps this up, Allen leaves and Warner doesn't come in, Curtin is one of the 2 players taken by WCE.

Curtin's needs to show some of these performances against men however as he is just so physically dominant compared to most colts players.

Unless the gulf in quality is huge, needs should prevail for WCE at this point. Mids with top picks is simply an urgent matter.

Incidentally, thoughts on the recent appointments to the drafting team (and departures)? We going to see a change in approach?

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

So we take Curtin at 2.

Who is playing where?

Archer Reid looks like he is KPF, I havent heard nothing but good things about Shahan as a KPF, and now Curtin as KPF.

Which one is now moving down back?

Also, if we select Curtin is there a BIG chance his older brother Daniel will want to come home soon enough?

Why do we need an answer to this straight away? Gov started as a forward, Oscar started as a back etc etc.

Assuming Oscar leaves this year, and Gov goes around again, but only plays about 10 games there is a spot in our team at CHF, 2nd/ruck, full back and a fair few games at CHB.

Reid can play 2nd ****/KPF
Shanahan can play KPF/KPD
Curtin can play KPF/KPD

You prioritise getting those three in to the team. Shanahan was training all pre-season as a KPD, and pre-draft it was said many clubs viewed Shanahan as a KPD. The only reason he isn't playing KPD in WAFL is to prioritise providing Bazzo/Barnett with opportunity to show their wares.

We can be patient with the right position for young guys, as long as it's a key position.

Let's not forget that Waterman is 27. He has 4 good seasons left and will likely be 30 before we are contending again.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Unless the gulf in quality is huge, needs should prevail for WCE at this point. Mids with top picks is simply an urgent matter.

Incidentally, thoughts on the recent appointments to the drafting team (and departures)? We going to see a change in approach?

No way do you go needs with top 5 picks. You go with best talent. If we have two picks in the draft at 2,3 we could easily take a mid and Curtin, then use the Hawks pick and then bid on Evans (a mid).

The idea that drafting Curtin means we don't address our midfield is a bit far fetched. We have a lot of picks to use. Even if we trade for Warner, he's a mid so he's addressing our midfield too.

 

[UseR2006]

And end up like Freo?

Truth is we are just better at identifying and developing tall talent than we are midfielders.

If we take Rodriguez and Curtin with our first two picks we'd basically have a KPP stocks sorted for over a decade, while also adding to the midfield.

The problem is though if you select an over abundance of KPP and then not play them because you have too many those players are going to look for opportunity elsewhere and you do not get back those same picks.
You'd likely be selling them at a discount compared to what you spent on them.

I'd rather us just focus on having an overabundance of solid mids both in the AFL and developing in the WAFL. This way we have cover for the AFL side instead of having to rely on 32 year old TK and 30 year old Yeo.

For Rucks unless you are getting a Nic Nat who was so far above the level they were pretty close to afl ready when drafted you really shouldn't draft rucks with the expectation they'll fix your ruck woes. They take an age to develop and you are better off grabbing one via FA or MSD after they have had time to develop either on someone elses AFL list or from a solid B league club.

We should pick at least 3 mids this year (2 if we get Warner) and an actual KPD. Not a makeshift, Not a "can't ruck at AFL so send him back", not a "he's a KPF but we really need a KPD". We need someone solid back there who knows what they are doing.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Busslinger apparently doesnt like flying. Aka really doesnt like flying.

So if he moves it wont be to Perth from the sounds of it.

Sounds like a goo-goo gaga crybaby.

Like come on, maybe get some goddamn therapy to overcome/manage this fear in order to play AFL.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

The problem is though if you select an over abundance of KPP and then not play them because you have too many those players are going to look for opportunity elsewhere and you do not get back those same picks.
You'd likely be selling them at a discount compared to what you spent on them.

I'd rather us just focus on having an overabundance of solid mids both in the AFL and developing in the WAFL. This way we have cover for the AFL side instead of having to rely on 32 year old TK and 30 year old Yeo.

For Rucks unless you are getting a Nic Nat who was so far above the level they were pretty close to afl ready when drafted you really shouldn't draft rucks with the expectation they'll fix your ruck woes. They take an age to develop and you are better off grabbing one via FA or MSD after they have had time to develop either on someone elses AFL list or from a solid B league club.

We should pick at least 3 mids this year (2 if we get Warner) and an actual KPD. Not a makeshift, Not a "can't ruck at AFL so send him back", not a "he's a KPF but we really need a KPD". We need someone solid back there who knows what they are doing.

Agree with the highlighted section on rucks, and am not really a huge fan of us taking CDT.

If Oscar leaves and Chad resigns we could take Rodriguez, Curtin, mid at Hawks pick, match a bid on Evans.

That's 3 mids and Curtin and not including potential bids on Walley or Banfield.

We are going to be fine with the draft, we will have ample picks to address needs across the list, without neglecting midfield.

 

[quackish]

And end up like Freo?

Truth is we are just better at identifying and developing tall talent than we are midfielders.

If we take Rodriguez and Curtin with our first two picks we'd basically have a KPP stocks sorted for over a decade, while also adding to the midfield.

The only thing wrong with Freo is that they’re freo. They have all the pieces they just suck for some intangible reason

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

The only thing wrong with Freo is that they’re freo. They have all the pieces they just suck for some intangible reason

They spent 10 years building around midfield without KPF/KPP is my point.

Draft Curtin isn't going to make us end up like Carlton. Carlton's issue isn't that they got their picks right in 2015 (Weitering, McKay, Curnow), its that they botched a whole lot of picks in 2016-17 (SPS, Dow, O'brien).

 

[WCE_phil]

So we take Curtin at 2.

Who is playing where?

Archer Reid looks like he is KPF, I havent heard nothing but good things about Shahan as a KPF, and now Curtin as KPF.

Which one is now moving down back?

Also, if we select Curtin is there a BIG chance his older brother Daniel will want to come home soon enough?

Reid will go to either CHB or likely FB due to his size, athleticism and ability to read the play but his lack of kicking skills primarily. Club plays a smaller defence with Ginbey, Maric and Hough all playing taller/smaller as required. Brock I think makes it and could well be the CHB due to his kicking skills and marking.

Talls take 4-5 years to develop, even highly talented ones to be able to break even or win their position consistently.

Curtin FF, Shanahan CHF

Jack Williams is depth / playing until overtaken and is deep forward / second ruck.

Bailey Williams will stay until another option is traded in or presents itself. He is not the long term solution in the ruck or up forward.

Jamieson, Barnett, Bazzo are almost certainly done. Livingstone less than 50/50 to make it even as a backup.

Unfortunately we will have to stick with Harry Edwards until he is overtaken but he's not AFL level quality. Depth or a roleplayer when needed sure but he's not the solution.

Waterman is a touch undersized and by the time our young talls develop he will be on his last legs as it is.

All of a sudden the club isn't so flush for talls is it.

You don't draft for next year, you draft for 4-5 years down the track.

 

[bzparkes]

The only thing wrong with Freo is that they’re freo.

They have all the pieces they just suck for some intangible reason

You just answered your own question in the first sentence...

 

[Mattman93]

Obviously 4-5 years down the line we could use another good tall; but any way you run that argument it applies twicefold for elite mids/mid-forwards.

Yeah if it's a Thilthorpe vs Will Phillips situation you take the tall, sure. But in our current situation there should be a strong presumption of mids with high picks over multiple drafts, with a high threshold to override that.

Early watch is on Greeves for me.

 

[Elite Pete]

Obviously 4-5 years down the line we could use another good tall; but any way you run that argument it applies twicefold for elite mids/mid-forwards.

Yeah if it's a Thilthorpe vs Will Phillips situation you take the tall, sure. But in our current situation there should be a strong presumption of mids with high picks over multiple drafts, with a high threshold to override that.

Early watch is on Greeves for me.

Yep you take Anderson and Rowell combo imo. We have enough depth in the Key Position department for now and going into the future. Considering next years top 10 picks (2 or 3) ain’t they only way to add them.

 

[benny 09]

I just spoke to Warner at the footy festival in adelaide, he's giving away footys.
I asked him if we would see him in blue and yellow next year, he laughed and didn't want to answer obviously, I said give me a wink if you are coming and he laughed and said unfortunately not this year but I reckon you will see me over there in 2 years.

I know he's not going to give anything away to some random in adelaide but he seemed very true to me.

 

[Cuzz09]

I just spoke to Warner at the footy festival in adelaide, he's giving away footys.
I asked him if we would see him in blue and yellow next year, he laughed and didn't want to answer obviously, I said give me a wink if you are coming and he laughed and said unfortunately not this year but I reckon you will see me over there in 2 years.

I know he's not going to give anything away to some random in adelaide but he seemed very true to me.

Ask.him after that game.... "yeah pretty happy at the Swans bro"

 

[Cuzz09]

SURELY...

Surely someone at the club is in the ear of Leek Alir?

 

[Elite Pete]

SURELY...

Surely someone at the club is in the ear of Leek Alir?

Getting offers of $900k a year apparently. To get him to consider us in this state….. $1.2m+

 

[Avalor]

Just gotta take Curtin with one of first 2 picks, Best Mid followed by Curtin. Not rocket science, as they say.

 

[GrumpyGoron]

Is this list the worst in football?

 

[Byron_Clanger]

I just spoke to Warner at the footy festival in adelaide, he's giving away footys.
I asked him if we would see him in blue and yellow next year, he laughed and didn't want to answer obviously, I said give me a wink if you are coming and he laughed and said unfortunately not this year but I reckon you will see me over there in 2 years.

I know he's not going to give anything away to some random in adelaide but he seemed very true to me.

He would be absolutely stupid to want to come here at this point in time. Sydney will get better later in the season when their injured players return and they'll likely make another finals run. We are below ground zero rock bottom right now...if we were in a position similar to the Saints then I totally would've considered him coming here.

But he's in the perfect spot right now. Play for a contender for the next couple years, watch us rebuild our last from afar then have the choice of us and Freo when he's a true free agent. I don't blame any bloke either leaving the club or free agents giving the club the cold shoulder at the moment. We are below being a rabble.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Is this list the worst in football?

Yes. At least North and Richmond have high draft picks that play.