List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
• (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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[Barrybran]

Obviously so we can get a ruck with a couple of seasons left in his career, so we can have the same problem we're having now in a few years, just as we're starting to rise back up the ladder.

I'd love to have Darcy Cameron and there is a world where we have to give up one of Archer/Jack/Jobe/Jake but there's a lot of water to go under the bridge before any of the latter are traded

 

[Godfather32]

I'd love to have Darcy Cameron and there is a world where we have to give up one of Archer/Jack/Jobe/Jake but there's a lot of water to go under the bridge before any of the latter are traded

I'd love to have Darcy Cameron for free, or if he was 26 or something. But not trading anything of value for him at this stage of his career.

 

[SumaGodCoach]

The only way trading for Darcy Cameron

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is a good idea is if the VFL gives us priority picks that must be traded. Otherwise it's a no-goer.

 

[bzparkes]

Obviously so we can get a ruck with a couple of seasons left in his career, so we can have the same problem we're having now in a few years, just as we're starting to rise back up the ladder.

Without key position depth to boot!

 

[southcoast]

Why on earth are we talking about trading Jack Williams? Our KPF problem is a good one to have but I'd try Archer down back or as primary ruck before we considered trading Williams.

Not a slight on JWilliams.

I suspect the discussion on trading someone like JWilliams is as a result of recent years when we hung onto some tradeable players while we had gaps elsewhere that could have been filled with a suitable trade.

For example, would a JWilliams for Allan (of Collingwood variety) be more palatable.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

What picks does the 2nd round go to?

45? 50?

If Jack has a decent year the pick slides further out or isnt needed at all.

Sorry my crystal ball isnt up to predicting what might be the exact deal potentially may look like.

If you think the second round pick is the issue here I don't know what to tell ya

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I'd love to have Darcy Cameron and there is a world where we have to give up one of Archer/Jack/Jobe/Jake but there's a lot of water to go under the bridge before any of the latter are traded

why do you think this?

 

[Barrybran]

Not a slight on JWilliams.

I suspect the discussion on trading someone like JWilliams is as a result of recent years when we hung onto some tradeable players while we had gaps elsewhere that could have been filled with a suitable trade.

For example, would a JWilliams for Allan (of Collingwood variety) be more palatable.

Williams for Ed Allan is certainly more palatable however as others have said, Jack has shown he's up to the level while Jobe remains unproven. We're also looking at the first two picks in the draft, one of which should net an elite wingman, either outright or through trade. I think any talk of trading Jack is premature.

 

[Barrybran]

why do you think this?

Assume we have an actual ruckman and none of Jake/Jack/Archer/Jobe become defenders, are we really playing all four in the same forward line and holding 1-2 back in the WAFL? At some point, something will have to give. It's why I would like to see Archer tried in another position.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Williams for Ed Allan is certainly more palatable however as others have said, Jack has shown he's up to the level while Jobe remains unproven. We're also looking at the first two picks in the draft, one of which should net an elite wingman, either outright or through trade. I think any talk of trading Jack is premature.

Pardon??? An elite wingman with a top 2 pick? Unless his name is Errol ****ing Gulden, I don't want this. Nobody does.

Assume we have an actual ruckman and none of Jake/Jack/Archer/Jobe become defenders, are we really playing all four in the same forward line and holding 1-2 back in the WAFL? At some point, something will have to give. It's why I would like to see Archer tried in another position.

This would make sense if our KPP across the ground was 2018 like. Assuming Oscar leaves in 2026 we have a 33 year old McGovern playing CHB probably for one last year and a 27 year old Waterman playing full forward.

We still need a full back, a centre half forward, someone to take 2nd ruck and arguably a third tall at either end.

We can find roles for JW, AR an JS in that team.

Shanahan has said he played his best football in 2024 as a defender, Reid looks like he could play at either end. Williams is probably less versatile then the other two and seems suited to that 2nd ruck role.

Not everyone is going to be able to play forward. That's life kids.

In a hypothetical trade for one of Shanahan or Reid we would likely get a pick in the 20's. For Williams, we'd get less than that.

Our list is shockingly low on talent, we're not trading the small amount of young talent we do have for under because we stubbornly and short-sightedly hold on to the view that they are KPF's and only KPF's. That would be extraordinarily dumb.

 

[eagles rule]

Should we try to get Billy Frampton

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who is out of Contract this year ?
He seems to have developed the ability to be key defender ..Would be reasonably cheap option..

 

[LewyBroome]

Should we try to get Billy Frampton who is out of Contract this year ?
He seems to have developed the ability to be key defender ..Would be reasonably cheap option..

Is this satire?

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Should we try to get Billy Frampton who is out of Contract this year ?
He seems to have developed the ability to be key defender ..Would be reasonably cheap option..

For Jobe Shanahan and our third rounder?

 

[kerrazy]

Then you obviously dont comprehend list management and list planning.

You are thinking emotionally based on the present and not looking at the bigger picture.

Is it illogical that Collingwood are interested? No.

Would it be illogical for Jack to be tempted. No.

Is it illogical that Cameron wants to finish his career in WA? No.

Is Jack Williams a critical part of the rebuild who we cant possibly cover losing? No.

Pretty embarrassing TBH so many posters getting their knickers in knots about another club potentially being interested in a 22 yr old fringe 3rd tall forward / ruck drafted late.

No it's your absolute diabolical trade scenario that is embarrassing. Giving up a talented 22 year kpf for a 30 year old ruck when we are rebuilding. You have nfi what you are talking about. It's why everyone is reacting so poorly to what you are saying.

Think you belong with this meme.

 

[new breed]

Could have No 1 pick MSD in early June , depending on the Eagles v Melbourne result at Optus in a few weeks time .
Once again I'd take best prospect .
After the Essendon game we looked pretty good so could gain a few wins next month or two though ...

 

[uncleoatmeal]

The only way trading for Darcy Cameron is a good idea is if the VFL gives us priority picks that must be traded. Otherwise it's a no-goer.

I think its a no brainer, even if it didnt have to be traded. We need talent above 25 yr old. The young kids will continue to come in via our early picks and nga's. Any opportunity to bring in established talent at a fairish price should be taken.

 

[Barrybran]

Pardon??? An elite wingman with a top 2 pick? Unless his name is Errol ****ing Gulden, I don't want this. Nobody does.

As much as people like to complain about our midfield, Reid, Hewett, Gross, Hutchinson, Hall and apparently Grego are going to be an elite midfield in five years' time. Ideally we find a better version of Hutchinson but wing is arguably a bigger hole to fill this year. If in doubt, review Andrew Gaff's career.

This would make sense if our KPP across the ground was 2018 like. Assuming Oscar leaves in 2026 we have a 33 year old McGovern playing CHB probably for one last year and a 27 year old Waterman playing full forward.

We still need a full back, a centre half forward, someone to take 2nd ruck and arguably a third tall at either end.

We can find roles for JW, AR an JS in that team.

Shanahan has said he played his best football in 2024 as a defender, Reid looks like he could play at either end. Williams is probably less versatile then the other two and seems suited to that 2nd ruck role.

Not everyone is going to be able to play forward. That's life kids.

In a hypothetical trade for one of Shanahan or Reid we would likely get a pick in the 20's. For Williams, we'd get less than that.

Our list is shockingly low on talent, we're not trading the small amount of young talent we do have for under because we stubbornly and short-sightedly hold on to the view that they are KPF's and only KPF's. That would be extraordinarily dumb.

I'm not sure what your point is here. You've used a lot of words to agree with me.

 

[briztoon]

I think its a no brainer, even if it didnt have to be traded. We need talent above 25 yr old. The young kids will continue to come in via our early picks and nga's. Any opportunity to bring in established talent at a fairish price should be taken.

I believe the issue with the current discussion is that there is a difference between talent over 25, who have 5 to 8 years of their career ahead of them. As opposed to an over 30 year old, who has 2 to 3 years left in their career.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

As much as people like to complain about our midfield, Reid, Hewett, Gross, Hutchinson, Hall and apparently Grego are going to be an elite midfield in five years' time. Ideally we find a better version of Hutchinson but wing is arguably a bigger hole to fill this year. If in doubt, review Andrew Gaff's career.


I'm not sure what your point is here. You've used a lot of words to agree with me.

 

[We_The_West]

Jack Williams is actually progressing really nicely for a key forward.

I see a lot of similarities between Jack and Tom Hawkins

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, both bigger lumbering types not blessed with speed or excessive height but high footy IQ.

Tom kicked 12, 13, 34, 21, and 27 goals in his first 5 seasons playing in an elite team with an epic midfield feeding him the ball. In his 6th season he exploded into the champion we all remember.

Given Jack is still 21 and has had the worst midfield supply in the comp since he started I’d argue he’s one of our better developing younger players and given his youth is also playing 2nd ruck pretty well.

2-3 more preseasons and he will be a beast and I would love to see him as our next FF, with Jobe CHF and Archer at FB.

 

[Barrybran]

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You realise we'll have two top five picks this year, a top 5 or 10 next year and likely a top 10 pick the year after, right?

 

[bzparkes]

I think its a no brainer, even if it didnt have to be traded. We need talent above 25 yr old. The young kids will continue to come in via our early picks and nga's. Any opportunity to bring in established talent at a fairish price should be taken.

He's 31 next year.

We're not in a position to be wasting decent draft picks/players to bring in a bloke to top up his super for 2 years.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

You realise we'll have two top five picks this year, a top 5 or 10 next year and likely a top 10 pick the year after, right?

Ok, let me make this clear so we can wrap this up

• I don't think wingman is an immediate or pressing need for us, and under no circumstances should we spend a top 2 pick on a wingman. Before you mention Gaff, 2010 was 15 years ago and that type of player would not be a top 5 prospect in 2025.
• Our midfield is and remains our most pressing need. We have been trounced in the midfield in all of our games, including by Essendon despite them not being a very good team and missing Caldwell we were -15 in clearances and got destroyed at centre bounce.
• It's far too early to be making any statements about Gross, Hall, Grego Hutchinson. They might not make it as long term footballers, let alone form an elite midfield. Hell, even Hewett has one half of good midfield under his belt.
• We aren't trading Archer or Jobe. We'll be building around them, and Williams to an extent as well.

The draft assignment is the same as it has been for the last 3-4 years. Mids,mids, mids. And you can add KPD to that list as well.

 

[WCE777]

Long post.
The chase for D Cameron is an easy one if you think he has 3 good years left in him and we have a player on our list that will be ready in 3 years to take the number 1 ruck spot/A Reid.

Our other ruck stocks are mostly bust apart from Flynn is good second ruck, BW is a good 2nd ruck.
Barnett is a bust and should be delisted, Livingstone is mostly unknown but more a fwd/ruck in JW frame but will he make it?
I would be targeting D Cameron for the gap to be filled for 3-4 years for A Reid to develop and trade out BW and keep Flynn as cover.

I think A Reid has more upside than almost any tall or player on the list and would be targeting this scenario where we keep playing him as a ruck/fwd and developing his craft and he can be around for the next 10+ years, we can cover our ruck stocks by the likes of JW to complement and trade in another ruck when Cameron/Flynn are done if needed.

We have another big turnover of list spots in the next couple of years and trading BW, Petch will get us a couple of 3rd round picks to help top up anything we add to D Cameron trade imo, this is the year too strike if that is the list management decision.

We need midfielders through trade and draft and we need another KDEF option also in the next 2 trade/draft years.
Between Brock/Bazzo, 1 will make it but Bazzo is more a 3rd tall and he probably has another season too prove himself, Brock looks a decent CHB type with more time and size added.
Leaves a big hole in that area and the leading OOC player would be Z Reid from ESS after overcoming his injuries and plug and play with decent ability at FB.
Probably draft another true KDEF option in the next few years.

Jamieson, Chesser, Sheed, Petch, Rawlinson, Barnett are all first out of our list.
Livingstone, Bazzo, Brockman, Cripps, Hunt, Kelly are next in line in 2026.

Not all of those can be replaced with draftees, too big of a list turnover and will be too young beyond 2026 without adding players through trade/FA.
Use all our assets with our great draft hand and salary cap $ to target the list needs in 25/26 and our list will be considerably better.
Warner/Cameron/Reid should be 1st priority, draft top midfielders x 2 and a true KDEF option and with our NGA/FS players over the next couple of seasons we should have a much more balanced team and ready to perform come end 2026 and beyond.

 

[Barrybran]

Ok, let me make this clear so we can wrap this up

• I don't think wingman is an immediate or pressing need for us, and under no circumstances should we spend a top 2 pick on a wingman. Before you mention Gaff, 2010 was 15 years ago and that type of player would not be a top 5 prospect in 2025.
• Our midfield is and remains our most pressing need. We have been trounced in the midfield in all of our games, including by Essendon despite them not being a very good team and missing Caldwell we were -15 in clearances and got destroyed at centre bounce.
• It's far too early to be making any statements about Gross, Hall, Grego Hutchinson. They might not make it as long term footballers, let alone form an elite midfield. Hell, even Hewett has one half of good midfield under his belt.
• We aren't trading Archer or Jobe. We'll be building around them, and Williams to an extent as well.

The draft assignment is the same as it has been for the last 3-4 years. Mids,mids, mids. And you can add KPD to that list as well.

Assume Oscar goes in free agency, we get a band 1 pick and take picks 1 & 2 or 2 & 3 to the draft, what are we drafting?

We're good for KPF's. We need KPD's and a ruck but it is unlikely those kinds of players will be drafted at the top end of the draft unless they're Nic Nat or Weitering. Fast forward five years and Reid and Hewett are 2/3 of an on-field midfield supported by a capable rotation off the bench. No, not all of our players will come on but let's assume that Long and Brockman come in for Cripps and Owies eventually, and Johnston and Grego come in for Duggan and Hunt. Who are we taking with those first two picks?

We are absolutely looking for that outside accumulator type. We are also looking for an extractor type but chances are we'll be able to find that player closer to 10 than 1 and we'll have four throws at the dart board for that player before we even consider the Hawks pick, priority picks or any picks we trade in. Our future KPD is probably in the teens or 20's, small forward/defender upgrades are likely 20's or 30's. And there's a good chance we get lucky somewhere with a later pick or two, perhaps even a rookie-drafted player.

It's a good idea to throw darts at the board but it still needs to be targeted.