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If they're putting a kpd on close though you should just be able to put it into space for him to run onto. Is he in the wrong space for this or is he just not running as hard a he used to? Oppo putting numbers around where he wants to run to?
I’ve noticed a few times Close has worked into space and the ball has come over the back, however the next defender in line has moved up so unless the ball delivery is perfect, it becomes another contest.

Either opposition has worked it out or next forward has pushed up too far.
 
Thing is though, I don't know that Henry looked any better when he came on and Henry has kicked 4 in one of the hottest prelims of the last few years.
I didnt understand the logic of making him sub, period of the game you want to inject a bit of speed and heat and you're bringing on a pseudo key forward that offers next to nothing defensively.
 
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Positives-
Mannagh showed some serious grunt that I didn't know he had today, must of had the Atkins diet today.
Humphries and COS their composure and ability to make the right decisions are outstanding.
Humphries looks like he is kicking on the wrong side every time he has a weird action but is a beautiful kick, he also marks with overly straight arms which looks like it won't work but always does.
Danger's highlight reel keeps growing when the game is in the balance another huge moment with that attack on the footy.

Negatives
Finding a target in the middle of the ground and then receiving a handball to set up the quick movement in was nonexistent, we looked rushed and sloppy.
Clark and O'Connor aren't up to it at the moment, bring no value.
Neale vs Weitering just showed how far away he really is from the top line forwards.
 

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Positives-
Mannagh showed some serious grunt that I didn't know he had today, must of had the Atkins diet today.
Humphries and COS their composure and ability to make the right decisions are outstanding.
Humphries looks like he is kicking on the wrong side every time he has a weird action but is a beautiful kick, he also marks with overly straight arms which looks like it won't work but always does.
Danger's highlight reel keeps growing when the game is in the balance another huge moment with that attack on the footy.

Negatives
Finding a target in the middle of the ground and then receiving a handball to set up the quick movement in was nonexistent, we looked rushed and sloppy.
Clark and O'Connor aren't up to it at the moment, bring no value.
Neale vs Weitering just showed how far away he really is from the top line forwards.
McKay wasn't even that brilliant, but if you swapped him and Neale you probably change the result of the game. I understand that Harry received better supply, but he just did his job in a way Neale didn't. We are downright uncompetitive in the air, and Neale isn't providing goals either. 4 disposals to him; 15 to Weitering. And Shannon wasn't exactly providing crumbs for the smalls very often.

COS' defensive 1v1 body work isn't quite there yet (pretty normal for his age), but his general play was pretty damn good for his experience level. The defenders were on a hiding to nothing today. Humphries is arguably our best performing rebounding defender now. We could do with cloning him.
 
How is Jack Martin and Mitch Duncan looking?
 
Disagree. Some of the issues were how we underperformed, which I have little doubt were related to how poorly our mid/fwds performed.

Haynes made Close looked like an U/12 player.
Close was disappointing tonight. Sure like others he didn’t get the ball kicked to his advantage a few times, but Haynes outpointed him far too easily. I watch Carlton pretty closely and Haynes has been very ordinary, and we made him look good. Coupled with that Close wasn’t covering the outlets as well as he normally does coming out of our attack, as others have said we just weren’t switched on or putting in the effort to close down those uncontested marks.
 
McKay wasn't even that brilliant, but if you swapped him and Neale you probably change the result of the game. I understand that Harry received better supply, but he just did his job in a way Neale didn't. We are downright uncompetitive in the air, and Neale isn't providing goals either.
Totally agree, he is refusing to use his size to at least contest as many situations as possible, bring it to ground we have some serious talent there just seemed to have no presence the last few weeks.
 
How is Jack Martin and Mitch Duncan looking?
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Totally agree, he is refusing to use his size to at least contest as many situations as possible, bring it to ground we have some serious talent there just seemed to have no presence the last few weeks.
The thing is occassionally he shows he can do it! Those last sequences against the Hawks. He did it very well in the QF last year. But it's just nowhere near consistent enough. Nor is his marking, ability to win disposals or scoring capacity. Besides that he's going great though. :D /s

I know many experienced players were also not good enough and it feels harsh to throw Neale under the bus, but it would be ignorance to pretend he's not a liability the last few weeks. Throw in prime Hawkins (up to and including 2022) and it'd make a huge difference to our forward structure right now.
 
I didnt understand the logic of making him sub, period of the game you wwnt to inject a bit of speed and heat and you're bringing on a pseudo key forwwrd that offers next to nothing defensively.
Exactly the reason I didn't like when we used Duncan or Mullin as sub.
Duncan is too slow and Mullin gets no where near it. Subs need to have pace and can make an impact.
 
Didn’t get to see the match but on the basis of the comments I’m mighty glad I made it to the ‘G last week, rather than today.

Sounds like not much worked for us, but reading the comments I wonder if the posters are not acknowledging the nominal quality of the opposition- how many top 10 draft picks playing for them ? Three number 1 picks ? Carlton have been massively underperforming on the quality of their top 10 players - not that surprised that a Cats team with players that are physically underdone, inexperienced/speculative picks, struggling with injuries and form loses to them. Sometimes you just can’t defy gravity.

Forget dropping Neale anytime soon- he’s important to our structure and as last week showed can make important contributions at key times. As we all know Ollie H’s talent is not a problem, he just needs to ensure he can get involved and make an impact - I wonder if stints at half back, in Seniors or VFL would help.
 
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Vdubs I still remember your prediction in the outrageous claims thread last year. "We will not win a game in the month of May". And lo and behold.. Please please, for the love of all the gods, please don't tell us your prediction this year.
Sadly, this set of games in May looks as tough if not tougher. It's not terminal if we drop all 4 games. We can regroup, but there are certainly persuasive arguments that we lose all 4, although regaining Jack Henry, Miers, Kolo, and Stewart & OH hitting form would alter that. Will it be all before June?
 
Sadly, this set of games in May looks as tough if not tougher. It's not terminal if we drop all 4 games. We can regroup, but there are certainly persuasive arguments that we lose all 4, although regaining Jack Henry, Miers, Kolo, and Stewart & OH hitting form would alter that. Will it be all before June?
The quality of opponents is roughly the same as the last 4 collectively, except 2 games are in Geelong. In reality you would be predicting a big downturn in form to lose all 4. Which to be clear is fine, but it's not something our previous month is representative of.

Winning some and losing some is a lot more likely than a clean sweep of wins or losses. Of course it can be fun to be dramatic and envisage total failure after losing a game of football. It remains as silly as predicting an unbeaten month after winning last week.
 
I have held on hope that Clark would make it. After today's effort, I have finally accepted reality. He simply does not have what it takes to be an AFL player.
His only hope is to learn off Atkins on how to be an absolute DOG!
He seems to not know what his role is and is in-between the two styles of play too much.
 
The quality of opponents is roughly the same as the last 4 collectively, except 2 games are in Geelong. In reality you would be predicting a big downturn in form to lose all 4. Which to be clear is fine, but it's not something our previous month is representative of.

Winning some and losing some is a lot more likely than a clean sweep of wins or losses. Of course it can be fun to be dramatic and envisage total failure after losing a game of football. It remains as silly as predicting an unbeaten month after winning last week.
When Henry comes back we should get Stewart right and let Zuthrie or COS play his role for a week or two, the games against Carlton and St Kilda as soon as we lost him in his damaging role it was very noticeable how much drive we lost from half back through the middle. Miers and him are so important for creating different angles to enter 50.
 

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Jack Bowes makes Sam Menegola look like the assist king.
 
I've got a bad feeling Wiltshire could do a Ben Jarvis and be a one and done type. Just wasn't ready.
I dont wanna pot the kid but last week in VFL he was invisible and didnt go well and this week was as step up in level and physicality and he was totally lost.


He will learn from it and he has been good in VFL over this season but it shows the gaps and how hard the step up is.

I think he'll be ok longer term.

Contrast his effrot say with Clohesy. Might get the same low stat count but the effort and tackle pressure Ted brings adds value.

Both may not make it long term.. who knows - but Ted is way closer than Ollie ah this point and we needed physicality yesterday and it played in the VFL ( 24 touches and 13 tackles)

GO Catters
 
When your VFL team is poor as Geelong's is, it's not hard for a player like Wiltshire to sometimes catch the eye for doing something flashy. However we have our quota of flashy players, we don't need any more. We need hard working players who can get plenty of ball. 6 or 7 disposals just isn't going to hack it.
I said dropping Clohesy was a mistake. He aint gonna get 34 touches and 4 goals - but he works harder than just about anyone not named Atkins and whilst not being a gun - will add hardness to any side and we lacked hardness yesterday.

Go Catters
 
Why not?

Clarko dropped Corr and Logue when the replacements are just Hardeman and Dawson.
Set some standards.

Clarko is nowhere near finals though so easier gamble for him. But I take your point as valid.
 
I didn’t see the game, but I’ll say this. It’s very lazy to pot the young and inexperienced players when we lose.
Looking at the stats, Dempsey 11, Holmes 20, Stewart 13, Close 10 and Stengle 8. If those players aren’t getting the ball, especially without Miers, then we don’t tend to win.

It’s funny how often people on here dismiss the young guys and are proven wrong time and time again.
 

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