Preview R8: Changes vs. Carlton - Nicks Sucks and Must be Sacked

[Hodgy]

I am going against the narrative here. I dont mind the changes.

1. We want to play finals so Nicks is selecting the best players he can to fulfill that objective. Smith as a senior player on the list needs to be found out as whether he is going to be a contributor or like Murphy get a line ruled through his name and moved on. So he needs to audition players.

2. The omission of Draper. I dont think anyone can argue at times he has failed to contribute. Its his first year, I dont have a problem with him going back to the Sanfl for a few games. If we are aiming for finals, it makes development hard as by having Curtin and Draper in the side is like being one experienced player down in the side. Could we really expect to carry them both through every game and make finals?

3. Now for the good news. Nicks lives and dies through these selection. By dropping Draper he removes development as an excuse and the selection of Fogarty and Smith, two senior players plus Butts and Berry both relatively well experienced does mean Nicks can hardly blame injuries either for a loss. So this week is fair and square a battle of the game plans, coach v coach etc.

They were pretty expected changes to be honest and gives us a pretty good chance this weekend. There is a lot of people that have turned on Smith for some reason, however he’s clearly still on our list for exactly this scenario, to replace Hinge or Worrell if they are out for 1 or 2 weeks, and his form has been excellent in the 2’s.

I also understand giving Draper a few weeks to play full time midfield in the SANFL. Whether or not we supporters agree, all sides in the AFL do the same thing. Even absolute stars like Daicos and Sheezel played their first year or 2 on limited minutes and off half back, while the vast majority are in and out of the side and predominantly playing forward. We don’t need to panic, Sid will play 250 games for this club.

Despite what a lot of people think, We actually have a pretty good record of managing young players. Tex, Worrell and Tom Doedee come to mind and all those guys have since admitted that being held back helped their career long term.

 

[feenix67]

so how do you know which players will do that and will not? you psychic? edwards, ryan certain premiership players? that it

are you arguing just for the sake of arguing, or are you seriously saying that you cant play youth because you dont know how its going to turn out?

 

[Anzacpaul]

Just on Sam Berry are we to accept as pleb fans that he just turns into a total fumbly, multiple ground ball grabbing, feet for hands mess that can’t hit the side of a barn door by hand or foot just on game day and at all other times during the week at training he displays ultra-clean ball handling and exquisitely accurate ball skills around the coaches?

What concerns me is both Berry and Schoenberg have shown they can play.

Heck, feenix was claiming Schoenberg would win a Brownlow one day.

Then they both fell off a cliff.

It's our development. We ruin midfielders.

 

[Multiballz]

so how do you know which players will do that and will not? you psychic? edwards, ryan certain premiership players? that it

Youre taking the piss right? Hard to tell.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Is there anyone left who hasn't worked out yet that Nicks is a complete moron?

Normally look forward to Carlton games & this one could have been great to look forward to with someone like Edwards coming in for Hinge... but now Nicks actually has supporters wanting to lose because of his crazy decision to pick Smith.

He is going to kill yet another season on his own.

This just can't go on. Get rid of this fraud ASAP!

I notice Wayne is MIA... funny that.

 

[Doctor B]

If we were resting Draper why did he play as the sub last week and then played an entire SANFL game after that?

He's clearly not being rested

Absolutely. The lad went back to SANFL, obviously did everything asked of him.
He was the leading disposal winner on the ground.

29D 4M 3T 8CL 6I50's isn't screaming needs a rest.

 

[fuic08]

 

[Apsaalooke]

How many times is Brodie Smith

33

Brodie Smith

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

going to be run down while looking for options at half of his previous top speed?

 

[feenix67]

What concerns me is both Berry and Schoenberg have shown they can play.

Heck, feenix was claiming Schoenberg would win a Brownlow one day.

Then they both fell off a cliff.

It's our development. We ruin midfielders.

That's not very nice - I gave you a mug mate!!!

 

[pjcrows]

We're not talking about a 23 year old iffy player here. It's not a Hamill or a Jones.

It's a 33 year old who should be retired. He played in the bloody 2012 Prelim ffs.

 

[OverseasCrowNA]

Have a feeling this will be another game lost on selection.

I am going against the narrative here. I dont mind the changes.

1. We want to play finals so Nicks is selecting the best players he can to fulfill that objective. Smith as a senior player on the list needs to be found out as whether he is going to be a contributor or like Murphy get a line ruled through his name and moved on. So he needs to audition players.

2. The omission of Draper. I dont think anyone can argue at times he has failed to contribute. Its his first year, I dont have a problem with him going back to the Sanfl for a few games. If we are aiming for finals, it makes development hard as by having Curtin and Draper in the side is like being one experienced player down in the side. Could we really expect to carry them both through every game and make finals?

3. Now for the good news. Nicks lives and dies through these selection. By dropping Draper he removes development as an excuse and the selection of Fogarty and Smith, two senior players plus Butts and Berry both relatively well experienced does mean Nicks can hardly blame injuries either for a loss. So this week is fair and square a battle of the game plans, coach v coach etc.

Get off bigfooty, Nicks.

 

[1970crow]

Even when we were 3-0, I knew I shouldn't change my profile pic.

Nicks is just a moron, completely out of his depth.

Once again, as I've said for years - he is a dog chasing cars.

Smith in is logical now because the dumb dickhead didn't get games into others earlier.

There is no long term planning or strategy, it's just do whatever seems best at the time, and hope for the best.

He is a victim of his own immense stupidity - unfortunately, we are too.

It’s not logical at all, it’s simplistic. Even if it’s the wrong time to debut a player, there’s at least a couple of ways to replace Hinge at half back without resurrecting Smith and the 23 would be better overall. But he’s such a moron, he can only see half back out, half back in.

 

[King Elvis]

then we **** off every experienced player and develop. but we did that already and now we are throwing out the just developed. so where do we draw the line on each new shiny toy.

It's not that hard mate.

Prioritise talented youth over fading seniors; both in selection and positioning.

 

[adelaidecrows]

hmm what a coincidence, some numbnuts made that same statement on twitter...

I'd argue "developed" is a strong term to use, but in any case, your strawman falls apart because we are talking about Brodie Smith here.

lol, well im not on twitter and so I had no clue. Bit its not a strawman. Its just a reality that we are jumping to shiny new toys and throwing out Nicks developed players. Its a disaster.

And i get people are angry about Smith. But I see it as Nicks sinking or swimming. If we win this week and Smith gets 25 disposals we wont be demanding he gets dropped next week will we. But if we lose and Smith doesnt perform thats merely another bit of evidence towards Nicks being sacked. Which as you know im one of the strongest voices for. So in no way am I happy about his selections, im just not upset by them.

 

[Multiballz]

What concerns me is both Berry and Schoenberg have shown they can play.

Heck, feenix was claiming Schoenberg would win a Brownlow one day.

Then they both fell off a cliff.

It's our development. We ruin midfielders.

It's painful but the reality is Nicks developed a bunch of shit players and that's to some degree on him

They went backwards under him.
He persisted with the shit ones.

 

[CrowBloke]

If you want Nicks to rule line through every experienced player you deem not up to scratch we are developing and not playing finals. Its that simple. Take your pick.

With respect, in a rebuild I pick let's-develop-youth into AFL players to win games, especially by playing them where they have performed so well to be recruited by the Club in the first place.

After that, win enough games, we play Finals knowing who is up to AFL standard and who not.
Nicks has had 5 years and 7 games to do this, but still does not know right now that Smith is not going to be a part of a team that wins enough games to play Finals.
Nicks needs, he has needed, desperately to find out which of Draper, Curtin, Dowling, Jones, Ryan, Edwards and others will make it. The only way to know is to play them.

We know what Berry brings. Draper will be a part of our midfield future, hopefully well after Nicks is a bad memory.
I loved the bloke, but Smith is cooked. Over his hill.
It's ridiculous Selection.

 

[whitey_1975]

 

[GreyCrow]

so how do you know which players will do that and will not? you psychic? edwards, ryan certain premiership players? that it

I don't know but I know 1000% Brodie Smith won't be a premiership player

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

so how do you know which players will do that and will not? you psychic? edwards, ryan certain premiership players? that it

Better never play them to find out then.

Let's bring a proven cooked player instead of seeing whether a younger player has it.

Who has played better in the past year - Smith ot Bond? Which has a future?

Only someone lacking IQ could argue Smith is the best option.

We have a complete moron coaching us, which is why we are ****ed until he goes!

****ing depressing he is destroying yet another season.

 

[King Elvis]

People want Berry, Schoenberg, Murphy, Butts, Sholl gone. All developed under this rebuild
Last year we removed McHenry, Hamill, Gollant, Parnell

The common theme here is as a supporter group we want everyone out who isnt a genuine star but at some point we need to keep and maintain depth and select said depth. Cant just jump to each shiny new toy as it keeps the best 23 inexperienced.

Bit of an eclectic list - but what we want is them actually developed properly, and THEN a decision made on their future.

We half arse it and leave them in limbo.

 

[King Elvis]

so how do you know which players will do that and will not? you psychic? edwards, ryan certain premiership players? that it

We know which players it WONT be - and we'll never know which players it MIGHT be if we don't actually give them the opportunity.

 

[Mutineer]

That's not very nice - I gave you a mug mate!!!

We all make shit calls...even you.

 

[The Karma Bus]

If Smith plays ok you know there will be people saying "oooh where all the haters" etc etc

It's irrelevant. Not going to be a constant from him and even if it is, it's not going to help us on our journey which is really at the beginning as we haven't even made a finals series yet.

We need to be building up to hopeful success, will Smith be an integral part of that in a couple of years or would we be better off with games into guys who will/could be more developed by then and ready to play a part.

 

[1970crow]

Draper was dropped for Fog mate.

Berry for Crouch
Butts for Murray
Smith for Hinge
Fog for Draper

Fog going to be sub is he? Fog into forward line, Peatling to Crouch’s role at the stoppage. Berry replaces Draper as sub.

 

[King Elvis]

According to Jenny, you can’t use offbeat humour with respect to serious matters. So I can only assume she’s comfortable with domestic violence because based upon her previous posting, there’s no way she’d use it to create humour.

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