Next Liberal leader - 2025

[DaRick]

I also think that being ex-military is also not a vote winner with millenials and gen z.

I actually do respect military men in principle - it's a hard, high-stress profession, and my father was a reservist - but I don't think it'll make a young person vote for you.

 

[kalex6251]

If all roads lead to Andrew Hastie he might want to clear up his thoughts on the whole creationism thing first.

the question hastie needs to ask - does he want to be the brendon nelson punching bag in the coming years .... not only will he have to manage the so-called 'existential crisis' confronting the libs - but also field and credibly answer awkward questions like the one you stated

wiser heads would probably advise against a run ..... but intelligent, considered, shrewd decision making is not in abundant supply on the right at the moment

 

[Dixie Flatline]

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Bernard Keane must have opened up a bottle early this morning to think that Sussan Ley presents a "sensible, voter-friendly" face. He's been roasted in the replies to him as a result. He'll probably lock his account again, he's so thin-skinned.

 

[schneebly111]

I actually do respect military men in principle - it's a hard, high-stress profession, and my father was a reservist - but I don't think it'll make a young person vote for you.

Or as some who’ve been in have stated it’s the ultimate public service bludge. They don’t call it the “Chair Force” for nothing……

 

[DaRick]

Or as some who’ve been in have stated it’s the ultimate public service bludge. They don’t call it the “Chair Force” for nothing……

There would be a decent amount of bureaucrats, but I was more thinking of frontline operators.

 

[Kyptastic]

Don't think Hastie is ready, he needs more experience. Should aim to get into a different Shadow Portfolio to enhance his profile as well. Not sure he has the financial acumen for Treasury, but Infrastructure would be a good one and look to promote a future vision.

Problem is the Libs need a Paul Roos type leader now to rebuild and then hand over to a Hastie. They just don't have anyone who can do that initial role.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Don't think Hastie is ready, he needs more experience. Should aim to get into a different Shadow Portfolio to enhance his profile as well. Not sure he has the financial acumen for Treasury, but Infrastructure would be a good one and look to promote a future vision.

Problem is the Libs need a Paul Roos type leader now to rebuild and then hand over to a Hastie. They just don't have anyone who can do that initial role.

Tehan?
Meat and potatoes and unlikely to get much of a reaction in that seat warmer role

 

[masai tu]

If all roads lead to Andrew Hastie he might want to clear up his thoughts on the whole creationism thing first.

Hastie is very right, the Libs need to swerve to the left. You could say that they are travelling on the wrong side of the road.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Let’s face it…

Does it matter in the slightest?

 

[geoffjennings79]

In footy parlance, if Libs opt for one of Ley, Taylor or Tehan, they're tanking... for a non-existent draft pick.

 

[mellowyellow]

If they elect anyone who represents the toxic and divisive right wing nuttery of the last decade or so, the lesson will not be learnt and they will continue remain irrelevant and in the wilderness
Maybe this represents moment where a moderate will steer them in direction more palatable and appealing to the voting public

 

[aCunningPlan]

Tehan?
Meat and potatoes and unlikely to get much of a reaction in that seat warmer role

Yeah Tehan to take on the Brendan Nelson role to facilitate some soul searching then once they have a game plan in place go with someone who can take them to the next election. The Libs haven't had a leader from the southern states since Downer in 1995.

The Libs won't forgive Taylor for trashing the party, Ley may be a moderate but she is painful to listen to, Hastie is nowhere near ready, while Tehan is uninspiring but at least sounds like a typical politician...if not a little dusty.

 

[Caesar]

I actually do respect military men in principle - it's a hard, high-stress profession, and my father was a reservist - but I don't think it'll make a young person vote for you.

I don't necessarily think it's a black mark, it depends on whether you make it your personality or not

Tom Uren, Pete Tinley, Andrew Wilkie and Mike Kelly were all very popular with young voters despite their military service

 

[aCunningPlan]

The funny thing is when you turn to the other side you see Labor have plenty of competent leaders who in a similar situation could make at least acceptable leaders; Chalmers, Plibersek, Marles, Clare, hell even Burke or Dreyfus could hold things together if needed.

 

[Caesar]

The funny thing is when you turn to the other side you see Labor have plenty of competent leaders who in a similar situation could make at least acceptable leaders; Chalmers, Plibersek, Marles, Clare, hell even Burke or Dreyfus could hold things together if needed.

well yes, that is what happens when you lose elections - the ALP will have 85+ MPs and the Liberals will have ~23 so not surprising that the pickings are much slimmer

The Coalition is always harder up for Prime Ministerial talent than Labor because a fair chunk of their MPs caucus with the Nationals (and thus are structurally ineligible for the top job)

It really starts to show in opposition, as the Liberals hold a greater proportion of the Coalition's marginal seats than the Nationals and their party room always bears the brunt of the losses

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Watching the count on Saturday night and then watching the tribute to Antony Green screened on the ABC that featured John Howard, I caught myself wondering how much history would have changed had Howard either handed over the reigns to Costello before 2007, or been ousted by Costello (assuming that Costello found the gumption to challenge Howard for the leadership).

There's still an orthodoxy about Howard's "broad church" in the Liberal Party, but the truth of the matter is that he sidelined moderates and "wets" and paved the way for the Liberal Party to drift almost inexorably towards the right of the spectrum. Would the Liberals have drifted away from the centre to the same extent had Costello become leader before 2007? We'll never know, but I think Costello was more likely to be a pragmatic leader than a dogmatic one, and would have tried to stop (or at least slow down) the move towards the right that has dogged the Liberals since Abbott (with a relatively brief pause for Turnbull's leadership).

 

[geoffjennings79]

I don't necessarily think it's a black mark, it depends on whether you make it your personality or not

Tom Uren, Pete Tinley, Andrew Wilkie and Mike Kelly were all very popular with young voters despite their military service

Uren used his war/military experience to become a life-long anti-war campaigner, including marching in anti-Vietnam war protests.

One of the young people he was popular with and became an acolyte was a bloke named Albanese.

I've got his biography, just not to hand atm, as there's a photo of Uren, Albanese and one of the Ferguson's. Could only find a cropped version online.

 

[Gough]

Says a lot about blokes like Hastie and Molan that having seen war first hand they still want to see more of that.

 

[DaRick]

Andrew Hastie apparently doesn't wanna replace Dud-ton.

Can't say that I blame him.

 

[schneebly111]

Says a lot about blokes like Hastie and Molan that having seen war first hand they still want to see more of that.

They personally wouldn’t be seeing it. Officers stay a long way from the fighting these days. Even in Afghanistan Hastie and the officers were in over watch positions and the NCOs were leading the SAS patrols.

Then again there are those who just generally love war and killing (BRS). They have a severe mental illness.

To note in WA 25% of Liberal candidates in the House were ex military, way out of proportion to their numbers in the community. They are definitely wanting an influence in politics far greater to their numbers in the community.

 

[schneebly111]

Andrew Hastie apparently doesn't wanna replace Dud-ton.

Can't say that I blame him.

He can probably see the next election being a write off and plugging for leadership between 28-31.

In 2031 he’ll only be 48, fairly young for a PM.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Andrew Hastie apparently doesn't wanna replace Dud-ton.

Can't say that I blame him.

The whisper is that neither does Taylor now and the door is now open for Sussan

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Says a lot about blokes like Hastie and Molan that having seen war first hand they still want to see more of that.

I know 2 people who have served in the army.

One was desk jockey the other spent time in Afghanistan.

One is more hawkish than the other and one is not hawkish at all.

The bloke who spent time in Afghanistan is a legalise cannabis voter and is none too fond of war.

 

[krakouers]

Andrew Hastie apparently doesn't wanna replace Dud-ton.

Can't say that I blame him.

Andrew Hastie won’t throw hat in ring to replace Dutton

Andrew Hastie, the only WA Liberal to increase his primary vote, has confirmed he won’t run for the Liberal leadership.

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