Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[moond0g]

I was asked what % chance I give Reid getting to us. After this weekend and more of what I’ve heard I’m going to say there’s an 80% chance of him getting to us. I am feeling that confident.

Genuine question - how do you see us facilitating a trade this year?

The ability to trade 2 years into the future this season certainly helps our cause (and would also be handy to get rid of picks before chasing a FA like Butters next year). But let's say we finish we're we currently are, that means we have pick 12 before any FA compo or academy/FS bids. I'm guessing most clubs would expect we wouldn't drop much further in the next 2 years given our history (and inclusion of Reid).

Even if we offer up our next 3 first rounders, I just can't see WCE agreeing to trade Reid to us for what would presumably be 3 picks in the low-ish teens.

 

[D BRIDGE]

The ability to trade 2 years into the future this season certainly helps our cause (and would also be handy to get rid of picks before chasing a FA like Butters next year). But let's say we finish we're we currently are, that means we have pick 12 before any FA compo or academy/FS bids. I'm guessing most clubs would expect we wouldn't drop much further in the next 2 years given our history (and inclusion of Reid).

Even if we offer up our next 3 first rounders, I just can't see WCE agreeing to trade Reid to us for what would presumably be 3 picks in the low-ish teens.

Oh we will be giving up more than 3x first-rounders... and I'll happily do so.

The draft is just insanely compromised atm.

I'd happily have the last selections in the next 3 drafts to get Reid on our list.

 

[stac]

Genuine question - how do you see us facilitating a trade this year?

The ability to trade 2 years into the future this season certainly helps our cause (and would also be handy to get rid of picks before chasing a FA like Butters next year). But let's say we finish we're we currently are, that means we have pick 12 before any FA compo or academy/FS bids. I'm guessing most clubs would expect we wouldn't drop much further in the next 2 years given our history (and inclusion of Reid).

Even if we offer up our next 3 first rounders, I just can't see WCE agreeing to trade Reid to us for what would presumably be 3 picks in the low-ish teens.

its going to take some work
we will need to trade a few out you would think

players like clark, Moc, Ted, mitch k, kolo, mannagh may get us some picks that can then be on traded to teams with academy players like suns, swans, lions.

WC may even want a clark, moc, or mitch k to go with our picks

But if it gets done Wells and Mack will have earned a holiday and perhaps a statue.

 

[supahoops]

I cannot believe we are still seriously discussing the idea of bringing Oliver in.

He's like Jack Steven was when he came to us - but slower, fatter, poorer skilled, less fit and interested, and has more issues. Plus he'd cost more.

Take out the game Worpel was injured and he's going at 22 disposals, 6 clearances and 6 score involvements per game. He can defend at stoppage and move around fine. He's younger and there are no identified attitude issues. His ball use is average but not sub-par. Then he'll be cheaper.

Get Worpel if he's available - there's your workhorse. Then try and land a star who moves the needle like Butters.

CO - I think we’ve dodged a bullet here big time, let’s not forget he’s been at the feet of the greatest ruck of the modern era throughout his career and past his physical best. Next..

 

[moond0g]

Oh we will be giving up more than 3x first-rounders... and I'll happily do so.

The draft is just insanely compromised atm.

I'd happily have the last selections in the next 3 drafts to get Reid on our list.

So what do you think the trade would entail?

Assuming there are still rules prohibiting trading our future 2nd, 3rd etc. after trading our 1st (I assume this is still the rule, but haven't seen it confirmed anywhere), and it's not like pick 35 is really going to move the needle anyway. I don't see how we facilitate a trade unless we are including a good player(s) along with our 3 first rounders. In which case, who are they and what do we realistically think they are worth?

 

[cats_09]

So what do you think the trade would entail?

Assuming there are still rules prohibiting trading our future 2nd, 3rd etc. after trading our 1st (I assume this is still the rule, but haven't seen it confirmed anywhere), and it's not like pick 35 is really going to move the needle anyway. I don't see how we facilitate a trade unless we are including a good player(s) along with our 3 first rounders. In which case, who are they and what do we realistically think they are worth?

Future trading rules have changed this year as they've opened up trading picks 2 years into the future:

Under the new rules, clubs will be allowed to trade a full suite of their future picks one year ahead as the AFL this year introduces two years' worth of future picks being up for grabs in deals.

Under the previous future trading rules, clubs would need to retain a 'full suite' of second and third-round selections in their future draft hand to be permitted to trade their future first-round pick. That caused some challenges among clubs as deals were left hanging by the need to retain picks to meet the criteria.

But with the advancement of future trading to two years, that rule now applies to the second year of future trading and no longer to the first.

For example this season, clubs will be able to trade their 2025 picks and all of their 2026 picks, but then have to carry their 2027 second and third-round selections to trade that year's first-round pick, or to trade out their 2027 second and third-round picks, they need to retain that year's first-round pick.

The AFL has kept its 'two-in-four' condition to future trading, meaning clubs must use at least two first-round picks over a rolling four-year period to be able to trade out their future first-round selections.

Bombers ruck in talks, next free agency moves, ex-Magpie back on radar

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

 

[moond0g]

Future trading rules have changed this year as they've opened up trading picks 2 years into the future:

Bombers ruck in talks, next free agency moves, ex-Magpie back on radar

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

Ok, so we can trade our 2nd and 3rd next year as well (likely pick 35 & 50ish).

Serious question then - do you think our 2025 1st + 2026 1st + 2027 1st + a smattering of our 2nd/3rd rounders over that period would be enough to get him? Because I don't think it would.

 

[supahoops]

To think prime Cuthrie was at Butters levels, great if he could get back to those levels before a 2027 passing of the baton. Dreamland but TDK, Butters(2027), Worpel free and sell the farm for HR is doable with the dollars being the easiest thing to manipulate. A 26(27) of:

Henry SDK Zuthrie
Humphries COS Stewart
Dempsey Smith Holmes
Mannagh Cameron Miers
Stengle Neale Danger
TDK Reid Cuthrie(Butters)

Blicavs Mullin Henry Atkins Worpel

 

[Hamingja]

Ok, so we can trade our 2nd and 3rd next year as well (likely pick 35 & 50ish).

Serious question then - do you think our 2025 1st + 2026 1st + 2027 1st + a smattering of our 2nd/3rd rounders over that period would be enough to get him? Because I don't think it would.

Not when he is in contract this year.

Next year if he nominated Geelong and refused to budge what are the Eagles gonna do, walk him to the draft instead of taking 3 x 1st round picks, they wouldn't be happy but they would have to take it.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We can sign Reid on a bridge deal to make room for the likes of Butters and others. It’s easily doable, given that our players are cost-controlled and our cap management is excellent.

Bowes, Stewart, Cameron, Danger and others will be coming off large contracts, moved to the veterans list, or Duncan + Rhys retired.

The AFL community will absolutely lose it when we land both Reid and Butters (and more) — and I, for one, will be loving every second of it. Suck it, losers

We won't get both without losing someone like Holmes (which hopefully won't happen).

 

[FishGutz]

if Twomey (an Essendon tragic) is still saying it's Geelong...well that says a lot.

Yep, 100%. He is also good in how we will express when he thinks or knows something opposed to Jay Clark who writes it like prophecy when it’s him piecing things together.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yeah prior to that I think some journalists just liked putting him with Essendon because he has a friend in Caddy there and the “2 million dollar man” headline sells.

But Twomey has good intel. And it’s a pretty open secret we are in his ear and chasing so only a matter of time everyone jumps on it.

Essendon is because of the duursma thing more than Caddy but he isn't going there.

 

[FishGutz]

Want to give you a nice pat on the back.

Keep the info and details coming.

Whoever gives you crap needs to understand… that not all discussions and talks behind the scenes end up public and many things end up falling through. Anyone who has had involvement in corporate sales and business deals also understands this.

When you are talking trading people… there are so many dynamic parts and decisions that fluctuate, things can go from certain to uncertain as well at times.

It does not discredit you…I imagine we make 100 enquirers in due dilligence with only a handful turning into something more and from those handful only a smaller handful eventuate.

Continue the awesome work.

Thank you. Appreciate the positive feedback.

And yeah, you hit the nail on the head. Chris Scott openly says at any given time there’s conversations with dozens of players to see where they’re at, it would be negligence not to.

I’m sure there’s a lot I don’t know about going on. I don’t claim to work inside the club or anything like that. Just what my sources feed me. And sometimes they’re super privy to certain things opposed to others.

Like any deal, it’s not 100% until it’s signed. Dealing with humans with real emotions. Just look at Brad Green. Purely an emotional based response to Oliver wanting Cats. It’s a funny game.

I think there’s a few less critics with the info I’m feeding as it keeps getting reinforced. But will always be some and that is fine.

 

[Mr Meow]

It's great news about Butters - I just hope Dangerfield (especially), Stewart, Blicavs and Cameron's bodies are holding up by the time he'd potentially arrive. If we had him now we'd probably be premiership favourites, or very close to it.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Ryan Daniels (WA Footy Journo) said if Reid leaves the Eagles he thinks it's Geelong. Tonight on Triple M.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

 

[D BRIDGE]

So what do you think the trade would entail?

Assuming there are still rules prohibiting trading our future 2nd, 3rd etc. after trading our 1st (I assume this is still the rule, but haven't seen it confirmed anywhere), and it's not like pick 35 is really going to move the needle anyway. I don't see how we facilitate a trade unless we are including a good player(s) along with our 3 first rounders. In which case, who are they and what do we realistically think they are worth?

Ahhh who knows, hopefully Mackie has a plan... It'll certainly cost all the picks we can give + maybe more.

First thing we need to tick off is Reid wanting out of WC and then selecting us and us only.

If he even gives WC just half a sniff that he's happy enough to go to the Dons if we can't make it work, it'll be very hard for us to land him IMO.

WC can easily say, "Look, we will trade you this year. You can get outta here, but Essendon are offering much more than Geelong (which I think they will), so you can go to the Dons right now or you can stay with us for another year, and then we can see what happens."

Reid might just blink and go to the Dons, as he realistically could be painted into a corner that they are his only way out this trade period... I do believe this is a chance to happen... It just makes sense for WC to do this "if" they rate what the Dons are offering up more than us (def will be better picks).

I certainly hope Reid and his management are extremely strong on it being us and us only, to give us a real shot either this year or next... Assuming he does want out... Which looks almost certain to me.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

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You stay calm! I won't sleep for a week!

 

[Gazza Greatness]

They’ll say, “How can they afford everyone” while Brisbane roll around with the biggest roll Royce superstar squad with depth for days with guys getting paid huge money.

If Brisbane can do it and everyone pots Geelong’s list and Scott getting the most out of unheralded guys, then who are we actually paying? Older blokes take paycuts, young blokes aren’t 1st round pick guaranteed contracts. There’s about 4 guys on big money and they rest are cost managed.

FootyLad0: Even the 4+ players you speak about on big money isn't really painting the full picture either because they would all be getting at least 200k to 300k elsewhere if they chose to do so. These savings from each individual player at the Cattery ends-up collectively helping our salary cap enormously, which in-turn allows us to continue to be a highly competitive, successful and 'great club'...... and GO CATS !!!

The Geelong FC and Joel Selwood way and mantra - "I play for the club not for money"

 

[FootyLad0]

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Me reading FishGutz updates like....

 

[Gazza Greatness]

Want to give you a nice pat on the back.

Keep the info and details coming.

Whoever gives you crap needs to understand… that not all discussions and talks behind the scenes end up public and many things end up falling through. Anyone who has had involvement in corporate sales and business deals also understands this.

When you are talking trading people… there are so many dynamic parts and decisions that fluctuate, things can go from certain to uncertain as well at times.

It does not discredit you…I imagine we make 100 enquirers in due dilligence with only a handful turning into something more and from those handful only a smaller handful eventuate.

Continue the awesome work.

Awesome post geelong_craz26: and oh so true. For anyone to discredit FishGutz: or the likes 'with trusted intel' just doesn't understand the varying complexities that can go-on behind the scenes with complicated &/or life-changing negotiations, therefore what can be said one day can possible change overtime due to changing circumstances. But at the very least for all of us Cat diehards we're receiving vital intel that can give us an indication of knowing where things maybe heading but also knowing full well that they may change. Awesome work indeed by FitzGutz but also with others here on Geelong BigFooty and well explained by your good-self geelong_crazy26:..... and GO CATS !!!

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Ralph says list bosses all agree Harley Reid will request trade in October.

 

[Spearman]

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LOL if this was American sports, it would snowball and be done by next week. And he'd be in hoops for the next game.

 

[fpm84]

Ralph says list bosses all agree Harley Reid will request trade in October.

 

[FishGutz]

I haven’t seen the Ryan Daniels quote but if he said that, it’s huge. He always says he only reports and actual solid facts.