Preview R9: Changes vs. Port Adelaide

[adelaidecrows]

You’re trying to have it both ways, “should really” “can understand” to follow from your earlier post “not performing” “selection integrity”.

You’re all over the place

not really. a rookie being gifted a run of games against their form and contribution goes against selection integrity if we are trying to pump games into them. Having said that though a run of full games with a decent amount of time on the ground is never a bad thing. We are only round 9 of his first full year. nothing wrong with pacing him. Maybe the club is cushioning him for a run later in the year. Without being in the inner sanctum its impossible for us to know what the coaches are thinking.

 

[adelaidecrows]

What a ridiculous post, you’re defending his non selection, stating he’s not performing, clearly that’s why he’s addressing your post.

he isnt! thats why he was dropped. you dont need to be einstein for it. They obviously want to give him a run of full games in the twos before bringing him back. The full games he played they werent happy about something otherwise he would be playing. As bad as Nicks and the coaching is, we are selecting a winning side and they arent idiots. Again round 9 of his first year. chill man.

 

[Southerntakeover]

im not arguing. im just saying not every top rookie plays every game in their first year. I can see why the coaches are taking this route and im not saying its right or wrong. only time will tell.

They've been consistently wrong for 25 years, but I've got a really good feeling about this one. Surely our top pick and biggest ceiling midfield prospect is best served in his development by not playing elite sport.

 

[Mattrox]

Butters played 19 games in his first year and had way more of an impact than Draper
Serong played just 14 games
Petracca played 17 games.

Your narrative needs work!

So you are saying they are better players at the same stage, right? Or more developed AFL bodies at the same age?


If he was performing/ready etc he'd be getting games. Soligo, Rachele and Michaelhaney all played significant games in their 1st year so there is no argument that we never do.

Curtin got 7 games last year, this year he got 8 already.

No 2 players are the same and development isn't linear.

Maybe the coaching staff actually know what they are doing with young players.

 

[adelaidecrows]

They've been consistently wrong for 25 years, but I've got a really good feeling about this one. Surely our top pick and biggest ceiling midfield prospect is best served in his development by not playing elite sport.

When have they got it wrong? Statistically almost every payer has a very managed first year. Very few exceptions occur where they play every game.

aside from in game coaching and sub decisions. Im talking pound for pound development. Name a player whose been mistreated?

 

[Mattrox]

They've been consistently wrong for 25 years, but I've got a really good feeling about this one. Surely our top pick and biggest ceiling midfield prospect is best served in his development by not playing elite sport.

So it was a mistake to play Michaelhaney, Soligo and Rachele for significant games in their 1st year...

Coz if they are consistently wrong for 25 years there is no way I can give 3 recent examples of players and them all be the correct decision....

 

[adelaidecrows]

So you are saying they are better players at the same stage, right? Or more developed AFL bodies at the same age?


If he was performing/ready etc he'd be getting games. Soligo, Rachele and Michaelhaney all played significant games in their 1st year so there is no argument that we never do.

Curtin got 7 games last year, this year he got 8 already.

No 2 players are the same and development isn't linear.

Maybe the coaching staff actually know what they are doing with young players.

They had better output. Thats the harsh reality. The coaching as much as we hate them, arent idiots and we have won 5 games and developed Rachele, Thilthorpe, Fogarty, put Rankine in the middle. Hardly a bunch of unknowing idiots derailing AFL careers. Just wasting them by not having the ability to think strategically during games. thats different.

 

[adelaidecrows]

So it was a mistake to play Michaelhaney, Soligo and Rachele for significant games in their 1st year...

Coz if they are consistently wrong for 25 years there is no way I can give 3 recent examples of players and them all be the correct decision....

Ehh its just the shiny new toy syndrome. They want him to play. At this stage I dont see anyone in the side playing full games who Sid will out perform at this stage. Im of the thinking forget the Sid obsession, what about Ryan, Pedlar, Edwards, Dowling all sitting waiting their turn. They probably deserve more of a shot than Sid.

 

[Mattrox]

When have they got it wrong? Statistically almost every payer has a very managed first year. Very few exceptions occur where they play every game.

aside from in game coaching and sub decisions. Im talking pound for pound development. Name a player whose been mistreated?

I agree.

That argument gives "all of my exes were crazy" vibes.

Over 25 years the turn over of staff, admin, coaches and players and they are constantly wrong?

There is only one consistency in the equation and its unrealistic expectation.

I aamnot surprised that the loudest voices in the "AFC never bottoms out to rebuild" argument since Neil Craig are the very people that can't actually stomach what a clean-out rebuild entails. They are getting literally what they cried for and are still crying.

 

[Southerntakeover]

When have they got it wrong? Statistically almost every payer has a very managed first year. Very few exceptions occur where they play every game.

aside from in game coaching and sub decisions. Im talking pound for pound development. Name a player whose been mistreated?

Someone just posted the comparison to how Brisbane the reigning premier is treating is equivalently drafted potential elite.

Preview - R9: Changes vs. Port Adelaide

Bullshit! Agreed. Why is Sid wasting away in the SANFL - a league he is too good for.

www.bigfooty.com

But its very very very important at our club that our most talented kids do apprenticeships in turd league.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I agree.

That argument gives "all of my exes were crazy" vibes.

Over 25 years the turn over of staff, admin, coaches and players and they are constantly wrong?

There is only one consistency in the equation and its unrealistic expectation.

I aamnot surprised that the loudest voices in the "AFC never bottoms out to rebuild" argument since Neil Craig are the very people that can't actually stomach what a clean-out rebuild entails. They are getting literally what they cried for and are still crying.

Yes, a rebuild entails not playing your most talented highest drafted players. Great leap of logic.

It's not me saying that the club has been consistently wrong, it's reality saying it. No premierships, no all australian midfielders developed, no success. These things are just 'unrealistic expectations'.

 

[adelaidecrows]

I agree.

That argument gives "all of my exes were crazy" vibes.

Over 25 years the turn over of staff, admin, coaches and players and they are constantly wrong?

There is only one consistency in the equation and its unrealistic expectation.

I aamnot surprised that the loudest voices in the "AFC never bottoms out to rebuild" argument since Neil Craig are the very people that can't actually stomach what a clean-out rebuild entails. They are getting literally what they cried for and are still crying.

Well the problem we have is we still have young guys needing games but our best 23 is finals ready. However, we have another 5/6 players on top of that who have games experience and are reasonable depth players. Now its all well and good to have all the shiny new toys play for in game development for the future but are we selecting the best side to win the showdown or are we selecting the best side to win a premiership 3 years from now. Point is we dont know and at some stage we have to play the cards we have now to win the games we are playing now.

If we keep selecting for the future then at some stage the future never comes because we are chasing our tail.

 

[GreyCrow]

I aamnot surprised that the loudest voices in the "AFC never bottoms out to rebuild" argument since Neil Craig are the very people that can't actually stomach what a clean-out rebuild entails. They are getting literally what they cried for and are still crying.

Yet ironically a clean out rebuild means cleaning out the senior players taking a kids spot which some dont accept either

A clean out rebuild means a Crouch doesnt get a game anymore a Berry does

A clean out rebuild means a Milera doesnt play HBF a Nankervis does

There are a group of posters who havent accepted the full rebuild still

 

[adelaidecrows]

Someone just posted the comparison to how Brisbane the reigning premier is treating is equivalently drafted potential elite.

Preview - R9: Changes vs. Port Adelaide

Bullshit! Agreed. Why is Sid wasting away in the SANFL - a league he is too good for.

www.bigfooty.com

But its very very very important at our club that our most talented kids do apprenticeships in turd league.

Draper is no Levi Ashcroft and not once ever has shown signs he will be. Levi has won every junior award possible...Draper.....

This doesnt mean draper is crap, Levi is just generational talent. He is probably going to be better than Harley Reid and every club would have selected Ashcroft above and beyond everyone they selected.

Levi is also averaging 21 disposals a game. He is pulling his weight and earning his spot. this is chalk and cheese.

 

[Southerntakeover]

By the way, this is a great stat.

Soligo was 20th, and Rachelle 26th in 2022. The only time we hit the top 5 was Max, who notably plays a non-midfield position.

2022 AFL Rising Stars Total Time On Ground % Leaders

2022 AFL Rising Stars Total Time On Ground % Leaders.

www.footywire.com

 

[Southerntakeover]

Draper is no Levi Ashcroft and not once ever has shown signs he will be. Levi has won every junior award possible...Draper.....

This doesnt mean draper is crap, Levi is just generational talent. He is probably going to be better than Harley Reid and every club would have selected Ashcroft above and beyond everyone they selected.

Levi is also averaging 21 disposals a game. He is pulling his weight and earning his spot. this is chalk and cheese.

How does one get 21 disposals playing as a fourth quarter only sub again?

If you'd bothered to read the list you'd have worked out that Ashcroft isn't an outlier.

Draper has played less minutes in seven games than some of the list in four.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Yet ironically a clean out rebuild means cleaning out the senior players taking a kids spot which some dont accept either

A clean out rebuild means a Crouch doesnt get a game anymore a Berry does

A clean out rebuild means a Milera doesnt play HBF a Nankervis does

There are a group of posters who havent accepted the full rebuild still

What?

You are aware Crouch was 25 at the time of the rebuild right? we moved out of the rebuild phase in 2023 to progressing the development we have.

Milera is only 27, so it does not mean that at all. Just because you dont like some players doesnt mean they are crap. Crouch pulls his weight and Milera showed he has game. Nank has never not once ever shown an ability to earn his spot like Milera does. Hate on a player all you like but at least be fair in your assessment.

 

[adelaidecrows]

How does one get 21 disposals playing as a fourth quarter only sub again?

If you'd bothered to read the list you'd have worked out that Ashcroft isn't an outlier.

Draper has played less minutes in seven games than some of the list in four.

Ive seen the games, and its argued Draper is playing out of position, but he has not really set the world on fire commanding a spot. People arent arguing for his selection based on current performance, they want him selected on promise. But again, im not against his selection im just trying to build context as to why he may not be selected at this time. Not being selected round 9 of his first afl season his hardly going to be a detriment to his afl career.

 

[GreyCrow]

What?

You are aware Crouch was 25 at the time of the rebuild right? we moved out of the rebuild phase in 2023 to progressing the development we have.

Nice side step - Crouch is now 30 not the misrepresentation you make.

I am talking this year - because selection shouldnt be on what a player was but what a player is

I'm not selecting Crouch anymore this year

Milera is only 27, so it does not mean that at all.

This discussion was had before

There was an opportunity to take one path but the club decided to take another. Milera has been handy no doubt but no world beater.

Nankervis in that same spot for those games may have been just as effective but we will never know

Just because you dont like some players doesnt mean they are crap. Crouch pulls his weight and Milera showed he has game. Nank has never not once ever shown an ability to earn his spot like Milera does. Hate on a player all you like but at least be fair in your assessment.

I have been fair. This is what I mean - some posters cant handle a rebuild

 

[adelaidecrows]

Nice side step - Crouch is now 30 not the misrepresentation you make.

I am talking this year - because selection shouldnt be on what a player was but what a player is

I'm not selecting Crouch anymore this year

This discussion was had before

There was an opportunity to take one path but the club decided to take another. Milera has been handy no doubt but no world beater.

Nankervis in that same spot for those games may have been just as effective but we will never know

I have been fair. This is what I mean - some posters cant handle a rebuild

No you said in a rebuild. We arent in a rebuild. You cant just shift the narrative to suit your wants at selection. Draper is not a rebuild selection.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Nice side step - Crouch is now 30 not the misrepresentation you make.

I am talking this year - because selection shouldnt be on what a player was but what a player is

I'm not selecting Crouch anymore this year

This discussion was had before

There was an opportunity to take one path but the club decided to take another. Milera has been handy no doubt but no world beater.

Nankervis in that same spot for those games may have been just as effective but we will never know

I have been fair. This is what I mean - some posters cant handle a rebuild

we do know and no he wouldnt be.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Ive seen the games, and its argued Draper is playing out of position, but he has not really set the world on fire commanding a spot. People arent arguing for his selection based on current performance, they want him selected on promise. But again, im not against his selection im just trying to build context as to why he may not be selected at this time. Not being selected round 9 of his first afl season his hardly going to be a detriment to his afl career.

George CantStandYa

He's not justifying the non-selection it's just that he sucks and doesnt deserve a game

 

[Southerntakeover]

Sid has shown more than enough in his games to invest into him. A genuine speed and dash away from the contest we sorely lack.

I was fine giving him a one week freshen up, as there was a patch in the GWS game he looked like he was running in mud, but letting that turn into the usual 'he has to learn his craft and earn his spot in a non-professional league' is malpractice.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Sid has shown more than enough in his games to invest into him. A genuine speed and dash away from the contest we sorely lack.

I was fine giving him a one week freshen up, as there was a patch in the GWS game he looked like he was running in mud, but letting that turn into the usual 'he has to learn his craft and earn his spot in a non-professional league' is malpractice.

the problem could be running efficiency. His running patterns could be highly inefficient and he is gassing himself. Playing full games and learning running patterns as a full time mid will help him long term.

 

[Scorpus]

Draper should obviously be playing ahead of Berry