Opinion Where does Warren Tredrea sit in the great forwards?

[Cleric]

I think Tredrea often gets overlooked when people talk about the great CHFs. He rarely gets talked about alongside Pav or Reiwoldt, yet I think he is firmly up there with those two. Him doing an ACL set him back a fair bit, kinda like it did with Tex.

Anyhow, where do you rate him?

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Incredibly underrated, 2002-04 was the best player in the game and very few can claim to have that.

IMO in the modern era, i only comment on players I have witnessed, my rankings would be

Tier 1 - Wayne Carey, Buddy Franklin
Tier 2 - Tredrea, Nick Riewoldt, Matthew Lloyd
Tier 3 - Pavlich, Richardson, Fevola, Tom Hawkins

26

Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

Tier 4 - Jono Brown, Jack Riewoldt, Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

, Barry Hall, Josh Kennedy, Charlie Curnow

30

Charlie Curnow

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

.

 

[Jedi01]

Wouldn't put him in the same category as Riewoldt, but def with Pav. Had those dominant years around the 2004 premiership so that makes him a club champ.

Tex on the other hand I don't think will ever be mentioned with all-time forwards.

 

[Jedi01]

Incredibly underrated, 2002-04 was the best player in the game and very few can claim to have that.

IMO in the modern era, i only comment on players I have witnessed, my rankings would be

Tier 1 - Wayne Carey, Buddy Franklin
Tier 2 - Tredrea, Nick Riewoldt, Matthew Lloyd
Tier 3 - Pavlich, Richardson, Fevola, Tom Hawkins
Tier 4 - Jono Brown, Jack Riewoldt, Jeremy Cameron, Barry Hall, Josh Kennedy, Charlie Curnow.

Brown at Tier 4 seems harsh. Also remove Hall/Curnow and replace with Cloke.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Brown at Tier 4 seems harsh. Also remove Hall/Curnow and replace with Cloke.

Always thought Brown was very overrated because he was a likeable character and one of the boys.... was only All Australian 2x and 1 of those in 2009 snuck into the fwd pocket behind Fev at FF and Nick Riewoldt at CHF.. Compare that to say Tom Hawkins who is 5x AA.

 

[PhatBoy]

Brown at Tier 4 seems harsh. Also remove Hall/Curnow and replace with Cloke.

The Travis Cloke that kicked 50+ three times, all in a three year span, all in seasons he played at least 22 games, two of which were 25 season games, and never kicking over 70 goals….

You’re kicking out Barry Hall, who kicked 50+ 7 times, including four seasons of 70+, two of 80 - oh and another 4 of 40+ (Cloke had one season in the 40s), for Travis Cloke?

Cloke was a good player and had a really dominant period in the middle of his career but he’s not in the same hemisphere as Barry Hall, who would be remembered far more for his exceptional football if not for one onfield incident.

 

[Blackas87]

His peak was very good and up there with the best, best chf in the game 2001-2004 but didn’t do it long enough compared to others.

Tredrea averaged more than 2 goals a game 6 seasons (1 of them 3 or more)

Jono Brown averaged more than 2 goals a game 9 times (5 of them 3 or more)

Nick Riewoldt averaged more than 2 goals a game 10 times (1 of them 3 or more)

Pavlich averaged more than 2 goals a game 8 times (3 of them 3 or more)

 

[Jedi01]

The Travis Cloke that kicked 50+ three times, all in a three year span, all in seasons he played at least 22 games, two of which were 25 season games, and never kicking over 70 goals….

You’re kicking out Barry Hall, who kicked 50+ 7 times, including four seasons of 70+, two of 80 - oh and another 4 of 40+ (Cloke had one season in the 40s), for Travis Cloke?

Cloke was a good player and had a really dominant period in the middle of his career but he’s not in the same hemisphere as Barry Hall, who would be remembered far more for his exceptional football if not for one onfield incident.

Ya fair enough. Obv bias, but Cloke was a beast during those grand final years for us and I think he gets under rated. Personally I never felt Hall was as much of a threat as other forwards on that list, but his career stats are decent.

 

[PhatBoy]

Ya fair enough. Obv bias, but Cloke was a beast during those grand final years for us and I think he gets under rated. Personally I never felt Hall was as much of a threat as other forwards on that list, but his career stats are decent.

If you guys won that 2011 grand final Cloke would likely be spoken of the way Hawkins is for the way he played that day. Unfortunately his kicking, and his relatively short peak, lets him down.

Hall had a huge period of being good or better than good.

He had great output at three clubs - even at the Dogs he kicked 135 goals in 39 matches.

His finals output more or less matched his overall output, averaging just shy of 2.5 goals a game, kicked multiple bags of 4+ in finals, 5-6 in QF/PF games, kicked 2 in the very low scoring winning GF against the eagles, 3 in the losing GF for st Kilda against the crows, other bags of 4/5 in EFs and SFs.

And here’s his run to retirement, his last 8 AFL games:

4
5
5
5
6
6
4
5

He was very, very good.