Willie Rioli "on leave" from Port Adelaide after social media post

[Toump Ass]

Aren't we all lucky we have Bevo here to tell us whether first nations players should be offended or not.

Aren't Port Adelaide lucky they have KOCHIE running the show lmao.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

It doesn't surprise me that Willie is acting like a clown when he plays for an absolutely pathetic club, can't wait to see them bomb in finals again.

Can’t bomb out if we don’t make it.

 

[Handsuper47]

will they make it?

always a chance, lots of water to go under the bridge yet

 

[BulldogMuscle]

So what are your thoughts on Bailey Dale making jokes about Rioli eating too much turtle meat?

You know who else used to get jokes about chasing turtles to eat them? Dean and Cyril.

You know who doesn't get jokes about eating turtles? Fat white players. Nevermind, that I don't think anyone would've considered Cyril Rioli fat.

I replied to you before you edited your post but I'll do the whole lot here.
If Dale said as such he deserves full suspension, I am 100% for sledging but 100% against it being along the racial lines, players can talk as much shit as they want on field but when you cross that boundary you deserve the full whack of punishment.

I mean Tanya Hosch has reportedly just refused to travel to Darwin for the games up there, which are a celebration of Indigenous people in our game. Thats the AFL's most senior Indigenous Representative. And her reason was because the AFL administration isn't listening to her and she didn't want to be a part of their empty virtue signalling.

Now you are on an incredibly slippery slope that goes well past the scope of this situation between two clubs, to imply that the entirety of the AFL administration is somehow racist because they didn't listen to Hosch (on who knows what, I certainly don't) is a huge alligation, and it is an alligation that could hold merit as the AFL is currently being run into the ground by some of the most incompetent leaders I've seen in my lifetime, but that's also not a situation I am willing to derail this thread for. You constantly seem to be shifting the blame on everybody BUT the person who sent threatening text messages, the day after, to another Indiginous player, to pass onto Bailey Dale.

No, it hasn't happened twice in the past. In the past Rioli has been involving in some on field sledging. The Essendon players considered his comments a massive joke.
And the Geelong players, well Brad Close ran the length of the field to get in Rioli's face and sledge him, and Rioli bit back. The Geelong players then reacted like Glenn McGrath did when Ramnaresh Sarwan sledged back with a comment about his wife.

You weren't on field, as I wasn't. It was reported by a few in the media that the Essendon players thought the threats were so ridicious that they thought it was a massive joke.
Geelong? Players are allowed to sledge, ''Rioli bit back'', again, you seem to underplay it every single time.

I like working on the current known facts, and I am going by what was released by the AFL and the media.

-There was words said between Dale and Willie, what was said is still unknown, you cannot under any circumstance imply something racist was said as the AFL or Media hasn't confirmed that.
-The next day, Willie sent a text message to Artie Jones, who alerted the Dogs and Dale of the threat.
-Dogs have gone to the AFL to report it
-AFL has done nothing but a ''keep your comments to yourself''
-Media has spoken to Geelong and Essendon who have both confirmed similar comments from Willie in the last year.
-AFL have investigated further, and had a sit down interview with Willie
-AFL have decided to suspend him for one game after he decided to sit out one game.

Those are the facts, stop trying to re-write history. I am 100% happy to change my outlook on this situation if more evidence of wrong-doing by any Dogs, Essendon or Geelong player surfaces but right now that's the cold hard truth of the situation as much as you want to continue to deflect, deny, and straw-man the argument.

 

[SC_Power]

It doesn't surprise me that Willie is acting like a clown when he plays for an absolutely pathetic club, can't wait to see them bomb in finals again.

That’s just a ridiculous comment.

As if Port are playing finals this year. Pfft.

 

[SC_Power]

Willie's been copping comments about turtle meat for years so it seems credible.

It's irrelevant though, players say all sorts of shit on the field. It doesn't justify the issuing of death threats post game. Port are playing a dangerous game suggesting one excuses the other

I think there’s a lot of difference between explaining behaviour, and justifying it.

It’s been blurred by public comments in this case, and the cause of a lot of misunderstanding by all parties including those watching on.

 

[SC_Power]

Oh poor dale. Runs the length of the field, gets in Riolis face, strikes him, then takes a dive holding his face after being struck in the chest.
Poor Dale, my heart goes out to him & other diving stagers

That’ can’t be right, Bevo has told us today.

"Bailey Dale, who wouldn't agitate a milkshake, he's an outstanding player but he's not an adversarial, front-foot type of player. He plays football.”

 

[Duckimus Prime]

I replied to you before you edited your post but I'll do the whole lot here.
If Dale said as such he deserves full suspension, I am 100% for sledging but 100% against it being along the racial lines, players can talk as much shit as they want on field but when you cross that boundary you deserve the full whack of punishment.

But Koch never accused Dale of racial vilification, just that racially insensitve comments have been made to Rioli.

"Hur you're fat" Willie isn't racial vilficiation, "Lay off the burgers fat boy" to Willie isn't racially insentive either. But swapping out burgers for turtle meat. Now you're being racially insensitive. But its not vilification like calling him a black c***.

Another example, someone might've sledged Rioli when he was going by Junior because of a mourning period. Someone might sledge him with a comment about dropping his fathers name because he's ashamed of him. If I was in Rioli's situation and someone had made that kind of comment to me, I might react by punching them in the face. Might seem an over the top response to someone, but that's pretty cutting a sledge to someone mourning their father. And I don't think anyone would describe a sledge like that as racial vilification, but its pretty ****ing culturally insensitive.

Now I don't think anything like that happened because it was fairly widely reported about the reasons for Rioli going by Junior.

Now you are on an incredibly slippery slope that goes well past the scope of this situation between two clubs,

See here's the thing. What Port Adelaide is talking about isn't a situation between two clubs. It is continual and on going. And not just on the field, but with the medias reporting on things about Indigenous players as well. It is something that goes beyond the scope of it. And Port have been bringing this up with the AFL since Gather Round.

You weren't on field, as I wasn't. It was reported by a few in the media that the Essendon players thought the threats were so ridicious that they thought it was a massive joke.
Geelong? Players are allowed to sledge, ''Rioli bit back'', again, you seem to underplay it every single time.

Rioli sledged back. You seem to be wanting to raise Rioli's comments in the Geelong and Essendon game to something bigger. Like players throughout the AFL's history haven't made physical threats.

Players like Tony Lockett and Gary Ablett Senior telling defenders that they will absolutely smash them if they stand in the hole in front of their leads. And Lockett spent his career at St Kilda following through on those threats.

I like working on the current known facts, and I am going by what was released by the AFL and the media.
-There was words said between Dale and Willie, what was said is still unknown, you cannot under any circumstance imply something racist was said as the AFL or Media hasn't confirmed that.
-The next day, Willie sent a text message to Artie Jones, who alerted the Dogs and Dale of the threat.
-Dogs have gone to the AFL to report it
-AFL has done nothing but a ''keep your comments to yourself''
-Media has spoken to Geelong and Essendon who have both confirmed similar comments from Willie in the last year.
-AFL have investigated further, and had a sit down interview with Willie
-AFL have decided to suspend him for one game after he decided to sit out one game.

Those are the facts, stop trying to re-write history. I am 100% happy to change my outlook on this situation if more evidence of wrong-doing by any Dogs, Essendon or Geelong player surfaces but right now that's the cold hard truth of the situation as much as you want to continue to deflect, deny, and straw-man the argument.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that Port Adelaide have stated that culturally insentive things have been said to Willie Rioli on the field. Just because the exact words haven't been reported? Well the exact words when Taylor Walker racially vilified Robbie Young weren't reported either.

You seem to accept this didn't happen because Luke Beveridge said it didn't. Because Luke Beveridge is obviously an expert on what an Indigenous footballer from the Tiwi Islands would find to be racially insensitive.

Also when everything was brought to the AFL's attention, they were happy with there to be no punishment. And even when they did level a punishment. Its been suspending Rioli for a game he'd already made himself unavailable for.

And even when you've got the media talking about what punishments Rioli should've gotten, you're hearing things like suspended sentences as a make it clear to Rioli that its not acceptible.

You think any of this happens with a threat that Rioli made after the game, if the other side are the good little angels like Luke Beveridge wanted to present?

 

[Duckimus Prime]

-There was words said between Dale and Willie, what was said is still unknown, you cannot under any circumstance imply something racist was said as the AFL or Media hasn't confirmed that.
-The next day, Willie sent a text message to Artie Jones, who alerted the Dogs and Dale of the threat.
-Dogs have gone to the AFL to report it
-AFL has done nothing but a ''keep your comments to yourself''
-Media has spoken to Geelong and Essendon who have both confirmed similar comments from Willie in the last year.
-AFL have investigated further, and had a sit down interview with Willie
-AFL have decided to suspend him for one game after he decided to sit out one game.

Those are the facts, stop trying to re-write history. I am 100% happy to change my outlook on this situation if more evidence of wrong-doing by any Dogs, Essendon or Geelong player surfaces but right now that's the cold hard truth of the situation as much as you want to continue to deflect, deny, and straw-man the argument.

Oh sorry, one last fact here.

When presented with the story about Ballarat from both Port and the Bulldogs, the AFL decided that there would be no punishment for Willie Rioli and that BOTH clubs needed to be reminded about keeping communications cordial.

Now thats a fact.

If the narrative that Beveridge is trying to push is accurate, then why would the AFL have had to admonish the Bulldogs? Afterall, aren't they just good little angels who were reporting the threat by big mean Willie Rioli? Ever though there might be a little bit more to it than has been reported publically by the AFL's media publicity machine?

 

[The Feeder Club]

I think there’s a lot of difference between explaining behaviour, and justifying it.

There really isn't. Port have screwed this up, instead of just saying yep he did wrong, they're now out there throwing mud at entire clubs and trying to claim someone ribbing someone else about eating turtle justifies/explains/excuses (choose your term) the issuing of death threats.

 

[SC_Power]

There really isn't. Port have screwed this up, instead of just saying yep he did wrong, they're now out there throwing mud at entire clubs and trying to claim someone ribbing someone else about eating turtle justifies/explains/excuses (choose your term) the issuing of death threats.

There you go.

I won’t go on rinsing and repeating my opinion of comments like yours.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Port Adelaide and Port fans in a fierce contest to see who can embarrass themselves the most.

Hard to think the fans are outdoing a club that has a chairman making accusations of racism without any proof and a selection committee that has selected Rioli for the weekend. No doubt the fans will cheer their gangsta like a victimised martyr, when he's not the victim in these instances.

 

[CrowToon]

The mental gymnastics some people are prepared to spend hours doing just to pretend their player and club haven't been the issue the whole time is insane.

 

[SC_Power]

Port Adelaide and Port fans in a fierce contest to see who can embarrass themselves the most.

Hard to think the fans are outdoing a club that has a chairman making accusations of racism without any proof and a selection committee that has selected Rioli for the weekend. No doubt the fans will cheer their gangsta like a victimised martyr, when he's not the victim in these instances.

Read behind the headline, seriously.
Maybe have a read from one of your Geelong own.

Some sledges might seem benign but should be off limits

I would like to think if it has been spelt out to me that what I am saying to an opponent is affecting him not just as a player but as a person, I would stop.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Xtreme]

Aren't Port Adelaide lucky they have KOCHIE running the show lmao.

Kochie is the AFLs best club president!!

 

[Iamspock]

Oh so Willie was just retaliating to a strike from Dale?

Or did Dale make a culturally insensitive remark and then strike him?

The 'strike' from Dale, was in retaliation , after Willie hit him first I was at the game. But go on.

 

[Iamspock]

Staging & racially vilifying their opponents.

It was stated earlier in this thread that Caro discussed the matter with Leigh Matthew’s on radio and said the dogs players were saying ‘racially insensitive’ things to Rioli during the game. Along with racial slurs being hurled by supporters. But don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Port have lodged a general complaint about the racist treatment Willie & our other indigenous players are receiving 3 weeks prior to this incident & the AFL didn’t respond.

Why do you think the AFL wanted to sweep this under the carpet? Because it reflects poorly on everyone.

Caro and Matthews were on the field were they?

 

[MrBarry]

It doesn't surprise me that Willie is acting like a clown when he plays for an absolutely pathetic club, can't wait to see them bomb in finals again.

They won't make an appearance for years.

 

[Iamspock]

Piss Poor from Koch head, either come with evidence to the contrary or keep the racial insensitivity out of it.

A d'head is a d'head regardless of skin colour, Willies 29 and behaves like a 20 year old and his club seems to want to coddle him and point the finger. With that attitude from the top they'll go absolutely nowhere, regardless of how much talent they have in the middle.

Going tomorrow, hope the Cats belt them.

Yes, I'm hoping Geelong belt them, and I hate myself for it

 

[Some Idiot]

So it seems likely that the bulldogs players commented on Willie's weight, Kochie is saying that's culturally insensitive, Bevo is saying it's not.

Think both sides should move on, there's no winner in that kind of debate.

 

[Altum Volantes]

The 'strike' from Dale, was in retaliation , after Willie hit him first I was at the game. But go on.

I was just responding to another guy spinning the narrative pal.

 

[Altum Volantes]

So it seems likely that the bulldogs players commented on Willie's weight, Kochie is saying that's culturally insensitive, Bevo is saying it's not.

Think both sides should move on, there's no winner in that kind of debate.

You’re right, there is no winner…but if that is now deemed culturally insensitive then they may need to let everyone know what is and isn’t off limits - they have a policy in place, it may need to be updated to avoid stuff like this happening again.

….or do the goal posts just move when required?….

 

[Iamspock]

I was just responding to another guy spinning the narrative pal.

Apologies,

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Port Adelaide and Port fans in a fierce contest to see who can embarrass themselves the most.

Hard to think the fans are outdoing a club that has a chairman making accusations of racism without any proof and a selection committee that has selected Rioli for the weekend. No doubt the fans will cheer their gangsta like a victimised martyr, when he's not the victim in these instances.

We've gone nowhere near the embarassment of a 55 year old man deciding he can decide what is culturally insensitive to a person from the Tiwi Islands.

Is it any wonder that a certain, highly talented Indigenous player is currently facing many issues that he doesn't want to be anywhere near the Bulldogs Football Club?

 

[CrumpetAgony]

We've gone nowhere near the embarassment of a 55 year old man deciding he can decide what is culturally insensitive to a person from the Tiwi Islands.

Is it any wonder that a certain, highly talented Indigenous player is currently facing many issues that he doesn't want to be anywhere near the Bulldogs Football Club?

But david koch as a 69 year old priviliged white man can decide why is culturally insensitive?