List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[The Punter]

i dont necessarily agree with this. i re-call many people didnt mind the idea of hill but they didnt like the idea of the asking price.

from memory freo got him pretty cheap with a 2nd rounder. but then when it came to us we sold the farm for him and it cost us Serong. take Serong out of freo and hand them back hill and see how they go.

we had bemoaning the lack of inside mids. we had a walk up free hit and we decided to go get an outside runner with good disposal instead.

it was madness.

yet people still defend Gags, and we even had the ****ing audacity to laud him for getting all these deals done. yeh no shit because blank cheques were written.

Was Hill out of contract when he was traded to Fremantle? Because he had two years left on his contract with Fremantle when he was traded to St Kilda.

 

[HeavenlySources]

No chance we get Bergman for a 2nd, it has to be a future 1st or walk away imo

We'd probably get what a second rounder for Sharman? I think he easily outperforms that when Max is back. We should be bringing KPPs in, not trading them out

Agree on Windy but not if it means it unsettles Nas & Chito

2nd and Future 1st Swap with Port

 

[dudeintheswamp]

What time is the Nas announcement?

 

[L_W_P]

Because taking a gamble out of desperation is what losers do. That idiot needs to move interstate and prove that he's prepared to sacrifice in order to play the game.

Not sure how much Saints history you're across but uhhh... we're losers.

And we've managed that by playing safe. Drafting "good characters". Working to appease players vs changing the culture...

We sacked Lovett before his case went to trial.
We didn't recruit Ben Cousins.
We sacked Watters because the players didn't like him.
We didn't trade for Dusty because of his reputation.
We didn't draft Petracca, in part, because of his FIGJAM attitude.

The Saints recent history has very much been built on "playing it safe".

Given the way player acquisition works these days: NGA, FS, Big Clubs, Big Games... Teams like ours need to find every shortcut we can to try and climb back up the ladder.

If we brought in JUH and he ****ed up and got sacked, so be it. We wasted a year or two, gave up a list spot, and we're no better off.

If it works though, the upside is huge.

All that said; I think JUH ends up at the Swans or Lions and makes an amazing recovery to help them sit in the top 4 for another 5+ years.

 

[thekizzler]

I can imagine Jamarra would love the less contact hours at the Saints in order to continue his off-field enjoyment

 

[SaintsSeptember]

TDK and Bergman add physically combative players in their prime to our list which is something we're crying out for.
If we walk away with both for a second rounder and some then it's a huge win.
Jamarra is a contract we should absorb for the next two years and aim to turn him around if the bulldogs asking pricing is in line with those of a player with his issues.

I'd listen to offers for Sharman, as a 2nd foil he's more Ryan Gamble than prime Bailey Fritsche and if Windhager wants to go, I'd let him.

Ryan Gamble was a 184cm forward who didn't kick many goals.
Two weeks ago Sharman kicked 4 against Freo.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

So give up then ?

We offered LDU big money too, we are nearly 3 years into this attempt of improving and our midfield has been the problem since day one. Keep going backwards like yesterday it will get even harder

At the moment yes. Give up trying to land a big fish.

Throwing money at them isn't the only thing they care about. Playing for side that isn't shithouse is another.

We need to fix it drafting.

 

[The Punter]

The AFL needs to fix drafting.

Edited for accuracy.

 

[Mowman]

No chance we get Bergman for a 2nd, it has to be a future 1st or walk away imo

We'd probably get what a second rounder for Sharman? I think he easily outperforms that when Max is back. We should be bringing KPPs in, not trading them out

Agree on Windy but not if it means it unsettles Nas & Chito

Future 1st for Bergman are you kidding ?

Did you watch his game on the weekend? He was putrid

Got it 19 times turned it over 6 times

DE 58% we don’t need more ball butchers

 

[littlecreatures]

Future 1st for Bergman are you kidding ?

Did you watch his game on the weekend? He was putrid

Got it 19 times turned it over 6 times

DE 58% we don’t need more ball butchers

So not enough elite talent is our issue, predominantly in the midfield, and the answer is giving away high end draft capital for Bergman of all players? Bloody hell, may as well blow the place up.

Let’s back our selves in, we’ve drafted Pou, Nas, Wilson in recent years. We haven’t missed a first round selection for some time now after a wretched last 20 years.

 

[The Jack]

What time is the NWM presser?

 

[jumperfan]

What time is the NWM presser?

Same time as the TDK announcement

 

[akaifu]

So not enough elite talent is our issue, predominantly in the midfield, and the answer is giving away high end draft capital for Bergman of all players? Bloody hell, may as well blow the place up.

Let’s back our selves in, we’ve drafted Pou, Nas, Wilson in recent years. We haven’t missed a first round selection for some time now after a wretched last 20 years.

Is our draft pick next year going to be high-end though?

I get the go to the draft aspect, but at some point we need to address the biggest hole in our list - which is the 24-27 yr old age bracket. Guys in their prime who can break games open for us. We can't keep relying on our 30+ yr olds to get the job done

A future first (which should be pick 12-18 after NGA/FS if the club is serious) for a 24 yr old bayside talent with upside in the midfield is a good opportunity to do this. Yes his disposal is relatively poor, but he offers so much more especially if he's alongside the likes of Pou and NWM who are elite kicks

If we didn't want poor kicks then we wouldn't have drafted Travaglia over Lindsay

 

[littlecreatures]

Is our draft pick next year going to be high-end though?

I get the go to the draft aspect, but at some point we need to address the biggest hole in our list - which is the 24-27 yr old age bracket. Guys in their prime who can break games open for us. We can't keep relying on our 30+ yr olds to get the job done

A future first (which should be pick 12-18 after NGA/FS if the club is serious) for a 24 yr old bayside talent with upside in the midfield is a good opportunity to do this. Yes his disposal is relatively poor, but he offers so much more especially if he's alongside the likes of Pou and NWM who are elite kicks

If we didn't want poor kicks then we wouldn't have drafted Travaglia over Lindsay

I don’t think there’s enough evidence to say it’s going to be substantially different to the one we get this year.

We’re just papering over cracks spending high end draft capital in that age range for someone of Burgerman’s quality. Better off getting another Nas, Pou or Wilson.

We’re taking on all the risk coughing up a pick around 10-15 for a player of Bergman’s quality. It’s a short term gamble.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Make Butters an offer he can’t refuse, not another ruckman

You mean the Butters that just racked up 20 disposals & 1 tackle in a 76pt loss .... at home?

 

[Sarcoidevo]

I was just having a look at the Coates League games on the weekend. A kid who I was surprised didnt get a rookie spot at last years draft is playing as a 19yo and having a pretty good year. Gabriel Stumpf 196cms plays as a mobile key forward, he might be one worth looking at in the MSD is we open a list spot.

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4.5 in 6 games as an overager in an U18s comp?

 

[Mowman]

Is our draft pick next year going to be high-end though?

I get the go to the draft aspect, but at some point we need to address the biggest hole in our list - which is the 24-27 yr old age bracket. Guys in their prime who can break games open for us. We can't keep relying on our 30+ yr olds to get the job done

A future first (which should be pick 12-18 after NGA/FS if the club is serious) for a 24 yr old bayside talent with upside in the midfield is a good opportunity to do this. Yes his disposal is relatively poor, but he offers so much more especially if he's alongside the likes of Pou and NWM who are elite kicks

If we didn't want poor kicks then we wouldn't have drafted Travaglia over Lindsay

Not to many think he is a midfielder

 

[akaifu]

I don’t think there’s enough evidence to say it’s going to be substantially different to the one we get this year.

We’re just papering over cracks spending high end draft capital in that age range for someone of Burgerman’s quality. Better off getting another Nas, Pou or Wilson.

We’re taking on all the risk coughing up a pick around 10-15 for a player of Bergman’s quality. It’s a short term gamble.

Fair, but if you look from the other lense

What's the risk with passing up Bergman for a pick 10-15? A pick in that range can easily flop, while Bergman is quite comfortably an AFL-standard player who could become an A grader if he continues his midfield development, which plenty of players with average kicks have been able to do

I think the worst case scenario with acquiring him is he becomes a best 22 Webster replacement. That's the downside risk of giving up a 1st rounder for him. So whether he succeeds in the midfield or not, he addresses a need in the team imo

 

[Mowman]

You mean the Butters that just racked up 20 disposals & 1 tackle in a 76pt loss .... at home?

Yes thats him, the Butters that was AA 2023 &2024

 

[akaifu]

Not to many think he is a midfielder

Port Adelaide do. And if reports are correct, St Kilda do. And our talent ID in recent years has been pretty good

 

[Mowman]

Port Adelaide do. And if reports are correct, St Kilda do. And our talent ID in recent years has been pretty good

Port do ? 2 games in the midfield in how many years ?

 

[littlecreatures]

Fair, but if you look from the other lense

What's the risk with passing up Bergman for a pick 10-15? A pick in that range can easily flop, while Bergman is quite comfortably an AFL-standard player who could become an A grader if he continues his midfield development, which plenty of players with average kicks have been able to do

I think the worst case scenario with acquiring him is he becomes a best 22 Webster replacement. That's the downside risk of giving up a 1st rounder for him. So whether he succeeds in the midfield or not, he addresses a need in the team imo

I’d argue the risk with someone like Bergman flopping is even greater and the ceiling we potentially get for a pick in that range is higher as evidenced with our last few picks around there.

We can’t afford to be deviating from our list strategy when we don’t have the list depth of elite talent to compete. We’re miles away and someone like Bergman isn’t bridging it any further.

 

[akaifu]

Port do ? 2 games in the midfield in how many years ?

Because their defence is shit and their midfield is stacked. No coincidence he's been moved into centre bounce when Ken found a way to better utilise Rozee Wines Drew, and when they regained key defenders like Jones & Ratugolea

 

[Mowman]

Because their defence is shit and their midfield is stacked. No coincidence he's been moved into centre bounce when Ken found a way to better utilise Rozee Wines Drew, and when they regained key defenders like Jones & Ratugolea

I would agree with you but then i would be wrong too

 

[Straight Outta Crompton]

Port do ? 2 games in the midfield in how many years ?

Assuming the narrative is true that he's considering leaving for more midfield time, looks like the Power are now happy to roll the dice on testing him out there. If he succeeds they can demand substantially more in a trade; if he fails, he might be more inclined to stay and in his current position. Can't hurt them too much either way, seeing their season's just about done