List Mgmt. 2025 Trade & List Management Thread

[giantroo]

Official FA Moves/Trades​

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Player/Picks	Original Team	Receiving Team​	FA /Trade?
Tom De Koning	Carlton	St Kilda	RFA
Jack Silvagni	Carlton	St Kilda	UFA
Jacob Wehr	GWS	Port Adelaide	UFA
Sam Draper	Essendon	Brisbane	UFA
Oscar Allen	West Coast	Brisbane	RFA
Charlie Spargo	Melbourne	North Melbourne	UFA

Buku Khamis - requests a trade to Carlton
Wade Derksen - requests a trade to Melbourne
Liam Ryan

31

Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

- requests a trade to St Kilda
Leek Aleer - requests a trade to St Kilda
Campbell Chesser - requests a trade to Carlton
Will Brodie

23

Will Brodie

Age

27

Ht

190cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

5.4

5star

CL

2.8

5star

- requests a trade to Port Adelaide
Liam Reidy - requests a trade to Carlton
Sam Flanders - has requested a trade/explore options

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Could Gruz play down back? Thought he did in the national champs game a few years back.

Has played down there in the past, but hasn't since he has been on an AFL list.

 

[Devil Fish]

Which little hidden nugget are Rawlings & co. gonna land in this MSD???

 

[Event Horizon]

I posted this in the Tucker thread, but it probably belongs here instead:

Depending on other delistings/list management decisions we could well consider giving Tucker another year as depth player.

The interesting fact is that we do have quite a large number of players with zero games on the list currently, which isn't necessarily a problem but it does mean the depth just isn't there. This year it hasn't really been an issue thus far due to a fairly small injury list. But depending what we do with those uncapped players in the offseason, once we add even just 2-3 new draftees plus a couple in the MSD, it will become even more of an issue.

Urquhart
Goad
Payne
Stevens
George

Plus Will Dawson and Cooper Harvey on just 3 games and Whitlock on just 1. That's 8 blokes right there who certainly do not add depth to the list at the moment. That's nearly a quarter of the list

Note: Maley is also on 3 games but I haven't included him as he's in the side at the moment

 

[Event Horizon]

Wade Derksen is the one, he is out performing Aleer at VFL level by a considerable margin.

From GWS get Derksen for defence and Riccardi for the Forward. Would increase our ready to go KP depth considerably.

Would also increase the number of list cloggers which is already too high

 

[toepoker]

Could Tom Morris' head actually be getting more punchable?

 

[giantroo]

 

[Makeshift Park]

I know this year's draft gets talked down a lot, but at the ten minute mark Twomey goes so far to say that basically anyone who went top 10 in the draft for the past two years would be a contender for number 1 in this year draft. Lists Caddy, COS and Langford as examples. Really stark context for the Whitlock trade I guess.

 

[King Hansen]

I know this year's draft gets talked down a lot, but at the ten minute mark Twomey goes so far to say that basically anyone who went top 10 in the draft for the past two years would be a contender for number 1 in this year draft. Lists Caddy, COS and Langford as examples. Really stark context for the Whitlock trade I guess.

Makes me feel better about trading pick 2 for Whitlock and pick 20.

So we essentially traded pick around 10 (player quality wise) for pick 20 and Whitlock. Not bad.

 

[Event Horizon]

I know this year's draft gets talked down a lot, but at the ten minute mark Twomey goes so far to say that basically anyone who went top 10 in the draft for the past two years would be a contender for number 1 in this year draft. Lists Caddy, COS and Langford as examples. Really stark context for the Whitlock trade I guess.

People refuse to hear about it.
The only issue though that is hard to argue with, if the draft was that good last year, which seems to be the case, then giving up pick 25 for Caleb Daniel seems to be even more problematic than first thought. More so than the Whitlock trade

 

[Makeshift Park]

Makes me feel better about trading pick 2 for Whitlock and pick 20.

So we essentially traded pick around 10 (player quality wise) for pick 20 and Whitlock. Not bad.

Yeah no doubt the Caleb Daniel dimension will continue to cause a bit of consternation (until he regains the flair of yesteryear), but it suggests that in isolation, the outlay we were willing to stake on Whitlock was perhaps not as profligate as its sometimes suggested.

 

[Makeshift Park]

he only issue though that is hard to argue with, if the draft was that good last year, which seems to be the case, then giving up pick 25 for Caleb Daniel seems to be even more problematic than first thought.

Oh snap

 

[desie]

Which little hidden nugget are Rawlings & co. gonna land in this MSD???

Most likely one of those typically dropped by a two year old.

 

[zoomba23]

St Kilda are the embodiment of 'gotta be in it to win it.' If they were a person rather than a footy club, they'd be living under Princes Bridge and penniless due to all of their money being put into Tattslotto

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Would also increase the number of list cloggers which is already too high

Riccardi would give us better output than Darling and Derksen's VFL form shits all over Logue or Corr. Both are AFL quality and improvements on what we have.

 

[Event Horizon]

Riccardi would give us better output than Darling and Derksen's VFL form shits all over Logue or Corr. Both are AFL quality and improvements on what we have.

Perhaps, but what I am saying is that would be replacing temp solution with another temp solution, possibly a better one. The question is, given that we are trying to build a talented squad that will be contending for silverware, you'd hope that we could replace Darling and Corr with young future 200 gamers (like Will Dawson, Comben, Whitlock and more like them). Don't know if Archer May has the potential to be one of those, and whoever else will be available in the ND

But yeah, as depth I'd rather have Riccardi and Dersken than K Dawson, Teakle or Corr

Logue is a case for a separate discussion. We obviously recruited him to be there for the next 5-7 years. He showed some good signs before the ACL but the question now is can he ever get back to that level or is he basically finished, with 2 more years on his contract?

 

[krakouers]

Could Tom Morris' head actually be getting more punchable?

We should have a tier list on Football media personalities and head slapability

 

[chubbspeterson]

People refuse to hear about it.
The only issue though that is hard to argue with, if the draft was that good last year, which seems to be the case, then giving up pick 25 for Caleb Daniel seems to be even more problematic than first thought. More so than the Whitlock trade

From what I've seen they don't look quite as talented as last years crop, but it's early.
A telling sign will be whether any club trades into the 1st round given there will be two top 10 picks (Swans, GC) and a bunch of teens picks (GC, WCE, Lions) available that will get chewed up in academy and NGA bids.
I could see us doing a trade with GC for pick 7 and one of their teens picks with our 20's picks if we really wanted to.

It was an overpay for Daniel, not only in that draft but even just compared to Macrae and Kennedy deals (#45, #38).
If we traded our F1 to get Matt Whitlock and Tigers R2 and just picked Jack Whitlock with pick 29, I don't think there would be as much frustration.

 

[Event Horizon]

From what I've seen they don't look quite as talented as last years crop, but it's early.
A telling sign will be whether any club trades into the 1st round given there will be two top 10 picks (Swans, GC) and a bunch of teens picks (GC, WCE, Lions) available that will get chewed up in academy and NGA bids.
I could see us doing a trade with GC for pick 7 and one of their teens picks with our 20's picks if we really wanted to.

It was an overpay for Daniel, not only in that draft but even just compared to Macrae and Kennedy deals (#45, #38).
If we traded our F1 to get Matt Whitlock and Tigers R2 and just picked Jack Whitlock with pick 29, I don't think there would be as much frustration.

The level of this draft was probably the major reason why there were so few takers for our F1 last year and why nobody wanted to bite when we tried to get back into the second round using our two F2s

 

[DocSholl]

Sounds like it would have been negligent to keep our F1, kudos Vineys and co

 

[chubbspeterson]

The level of this draft was probably the major reason why there were so few takers for our F1 last year and why nobody wanted to bite when we tried to get back into the second round using our two F2s

For sure. And clubs obviously really liked the players they would get at their picks last year as well, so just didn't want to trade out even in the 30's.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Sounds like it would have been negligent to keep our F1, kudos Vineys and co

I wouldn't go that far. I still reckon we'd be splitting pick 2 if we kept it with one of *(5, 9), Saints (6), Swans (7), Hawks (8) or Freo (10) to take a tall in the top 10 like Ludowyke or Curtin.
Whether those talls are as good as a Mattlock and whatever we do with the Tigers R2, I guess we'll find out.

 

[ohmygewd]

700k for Bergman? I think it would be closer to 950/1M. He would nearly be our best midfielder.

700k is yesterday's money...quality attacking HB that the current game is built on, l can see a base of 900k.

The level of this draft was probably the major reason why there were so few takers for our F1 last year and why nobody wanted to bite when we tried to get back into the second round using our two F2s

So was it a case of our recruitment team undervaluing the 2024 draft or overvaluing our F1 thinking that would be enough to get back into the first round?
I'm on the camp that we paid too dear of a price for Daniel and you can spin it whichever way you want, we certainly weren't in the position to trade a F1 given our current state - had kept our 2nd pick last year, M.Whitlock would probably still be on the board, we know his brother was still there! We could have kept F1 (likely P2,3,4) and used a PSD on someone like D.MacPherson or anyone.
Maybe Clarko purposely wanted to trade the F1 to wean us off selecting midfielders or half forwards in the first round

 

[giantroo]

 

[Heaps of fun]

They're going to trade away more draft capital? Far out.

 

[The Nostradamus]

but but why would he want to leave a contending side for a rebuilding one King Corey