Europa Lg Europa League 2024/25 (Winners: Tottenham Hotspur)

[Topkent]

Always said Spurs don’t deserve him.
If they really gave him the time and money, he ll put in such an incredible style. He’s loyal, honest and knows he can take it up to the top.
I mean the EPL right now is only Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City. Realistically.

If he gets good transfer budget, there’s no reason he can push Spurs to top 4 again.

He got them back into the UCL. Don’t get why getting 17th matters if he got the Europa league and Spurs back into Champions League. The league results shouldn’t really matter in the scheme of things

Yep plus last year he finished 5th, would have got them champions league this season but didn't last season because the other English clubs failed.
5th this year gets it.
So he almost got back to back CL qualification.
Semi final of the league cup, sure it's whatever and we got battered by Liverpool but the team we put out was horrible we had so many injuries. Probably would have lost anyway but his cup form this season was really good and that's was Tottenham wanted

 

[RPCB]

I'm still trying to work out how after United looked so inept going forward they managed to score so many goals in the knockout rounds

Because we discovered that Harry Maguire is the best and most dangerous CF at the club.

 

[Hoop1888]

Sarr & Bissouma aren't first choice. Bergvall, Maddison and Kulusevski being injured is the only reason they are playing

Aye, but they along with Bentancur are not at the level Spurs need to push on. Bissouma used to play great stuff at Brighton, but hasn't really evolved since going to Spurs. I like Bergvall, but think Spurs could do with a quality CM & Kulusevski is better out on the wing, imo.

Part of Ange's MO is rebuilding teams he takes over, while Levy's is not giving coaches that time. Wouldn't be surprised if Ange stays on but Levy will want to see major improvements in league form & getting to the knockout stages of the CL.

 

[peternorth]

Is James Maddison the new john terry?

 

[Cruyff14]

 

[Bradesmaen]

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English?

 

[RPCB]

English?

Basically fat shaming a kid.

This is the second time I’ve seen the same kid fat shamed in the last hour.

 

[revo333]

Beaten by the WC winners, therefore as good as 2nd place.

He said the Argentina coach told him that Australia was their toughest opponent.

 

[RPCB]

He said the Argentina coach told him that Australia was their toughest opponent.

Only beaten by a piece of goalkeeping madness. But who could forget Behich turning into Messi for five seconds?

 

[Zidane98]

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Is finishing 17th in the league yet qualifying for the CL reverse Spursy?

 

[Zidane98]

Is finishing 17th in the league yet qualifying for the CL reverse Spursy?

No that would be finishing 18th and qualifying for CL.

 

[RossFC]

 

[Zidane98]

The question is do United players still get their free end of season BBQ?

 

[RPCB]

Hey, at least the video acknowledged that Mark Goldbridge is a Forest supporter.

 

[Zidane98]

That's one of their best efforts yet.


Arteta "I always win something in my 7th season" got me.

 

[Shoei]

Always said Spurs don’t deserve him.
If they really gave him the time and money, he ll put in such an incredible style. He’s loyal, honest and knows he can take it up to the top.
I mean the EPL right now is only Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City. Realistically.

If he gets good transfer budget, there’s no reason he can push Spurs to top 4 again.

He got them back into the UCL. Don’t get why getting 17th matters if he got the Europa league and Spurs back into Champions League. The league results shouldn’t really matter in the scheme of things

Eh, I mean Ange has spent almost €450m on players since joining them. That's in the same ballpark as most of the other teams at the same level, you'd have to say its "good". Ange's issue is that he's spend it poorly.

And in my opinion, yes he's managed to get Tottenham back into the Champions League with a trophy to boot but you absolutely cannot just wave away 21 League losses as not mattering just because of that. Over the last two seasons, thats 31 league losses in 75 games.

let's be honest too, Tottenham were bad in the final, saved by the fact that United were exceptionally bad. You can't look at that performance with any confidence that there's somehow been a mistake over the entire season that now magically disappears. Ange didn't even play his "incredible style", he played a deep counter, got a lucky goal and then sat in turtle mode from the 43rd minute to win. And that's exactly what he needed to do, no complaints.

Which, to me, is even more of an inditement on the season. If Tottenham could do that to eeek out a huge result in a cup final, why can't they do it in the league? Sometimes you just have to dig in, get dirty and grind out those 1-0 uglies, exactly like a cup final.

Unless something big changes over the summer (and Ange keeps his job) it could be another very difficult season.

 

[Hamingja]

Claiming Celtic spending x5 the total amount the rest of the entire SPL combined did on player transfers in Ange's first season in charge as a "shoe-string" budget certainly is a take.

Ange is a good manager and has had decent success. Winning the Europa is a great achievement for him (as was the Asian Cup), but there's no need to glaze him, making his achievements out to be something more than they are.

The only players that Ange inherited that were still first XI players at the end of his first season were McGregor and Taylor. Everyone else he turned over in 2 transfer windows. So yeah he collected 30 million+ in transfer fees for Edouard, Ajer and Christie but he had to use it to rebuild the entire squad. Getting in ~15 blokes for that amount of money, which in the scheme of football these days is nothing, and bringing together a group of players previously plying their trade in Japan, Russia, Poland, Holland, Portugal etc and turning them into a functional team within about 10 matches is a big achievement.

 

[99 Problems]

Eh, I mean Ange has spent almost €450m on players since joining them. That's in the same ballpark as most of the other teams at the same level, you'd have to say its "good". Ange's issue is that he's spend it poorly.

And in my opinion, yes he's managed to get Tottenham back into the Champions League with a trophy to boot but you absolutely cannot just wave away 21 League losses as not mattering just because of that. Over the last two seasons, thats 31 league losses in 75 games.

let's be honest too, Tottenham were bad in the final, saved by the fact that United were exceptionally bad. You can't look at that performance with any confidence that there's somehow been a mistake over the entire season that now magically disappears. Ange didn't even play his "incredible style", he played a deep counter, got a lucky goal and then sat in turtle mode from the 43rd minute to win. And that's exactly what he needed to do, no complaints.

Which, to me, is even more of an inditement on the season. If Tottenham could do that to eeek out a huge result in a cup final, why can't they do it in the league? Sometimes you just have to dig in, get dirty and grind out those 1-0 uglies, exactly like a cup final.

Unless something big changes over the summer (and Ange keeps his job) it could be another very difficult season.

To be fair Spurs have invested a significant amount of that money on youth for the future that were never going to be ready for week to week premier league football. He also lost one of the great modern players before they’d even kicked a ball which they could never find a replacement for and outside of Kane had no valuable players to sell to help turn the squad.

The football being awful in the final wasn’t helped by 3 of their most important players missing, including their only creative players.

I get both camps on the argument because they were awful in the league this season and in isolation no manager survives that. But they realistically overachieved in the league when they finished 5th last season and even in this awful season they made a league cup semi final and won a European trophy while going through a horrific injury run through the busiest part of the season.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[Art Vandelay_]

And in my opinion, yes he's managed to get Tottenham back into the Champions League with a trophy to boot but you absolutely cannot just wave away 21 League losses as not mattering just because of that. Over the last two seasons, thats 31 league losses in 75 games.

I get both camps on the argument because they were awful in the league this season and in isolation no manager survives that. But they realistically overachieved in the league when they finished 5th last season and even in this awful season they made a league cup semi final and won a European trophy while going through a horrific injury run through the busiest part of the season.

Been reading quite a bit of Spurs forums and reddit in the last 24 hours. This is pretty much the majority view of London based fans, the one's that pay with their hard earned.

Essentially tl;dr version is have a great parade, enjoy the last game on Sunday but once the off season starts they need to be finding a new manager. As years pass no one will remember the 21 losses but will remember the cup success. Like Arsenal's cup double team that finished 10th in a way. But it still seems hardly any are swayed by yesterday to now want the manager to stay. MD11 (23/24) - MD 37 (24/25) is a run that has 73pts in 65 league matches. Has a real ETH whiff to it. Kept on due to cup success but under the pump early into the next season.

The reality of football is managers and owners are completely different. When fans want them out then by hook or crook they'll get the manager out but the other will fall on deaf ears. It is what it is.

 

[FreoRicci]

Been reading quite a bit of Spurs forums and reddit in the last 24 hours. This is pretty much the majority view of London based fans, the one's that pay with their hard earned.

Essentially tl;dr version is have a great parade, enjoy the last game on Sunday but once the off season starts they need to be finding a new manager. As years pass no one will remember the 21 losses but will remember the cup success. Like Arsenal's cup double team that finished 10th in a way. But it still seems hardly any are swayed by yesterday to now want the manager to stay. MD11 (23/24) - MD 37 (24/25) is a run that has 73pts in 65 league matches. Has a real ETH whiff to it. Kept on due to cup success but under the pump early into the next season.

The reality of football is managers and owners are completely different. When fans want them out then by hook or crook they'll get the manager out but the other will fall on deaf ears. It is what it is.

Why can’t it be spun that Spurs essentially came 3rd/4th in the league having won Europa into Champions League? It’s pretty obvious Ange and the players focused on Europa league as early as December and didn’t give respect to EPL.
Is it really that bad? Guaranteed Champions league mean investments and players to come?

Also, Spurs and its fans have no acknowledged the impact Kane leaving has had. It’s significant. No replacements since and hardly any elite players on that level.

 

[Shoei]

The only players that Ange inherited that were still first XI players at the end of his first season were McGregor and Taylor. Everyone else he turned over in 2 transfer windows. So yeah he collected 30 million+ in transfer fees for Edouard, Ajer and Christie but he had to use it to rebuild the entire squad. Getting in ~15 blokes for that amount of money, which in the scheme of football these days is nothing, and bringing together a group of players previously plying their trade in Japan, Russia, Poland, Holland, Portugal etc and turning them into a functional team within about 10 matches is a big achievement.

Yeah, €30 million is nothing compared to other leagues but we are talking abut the grand scheme of Scottish football.

As i said.....Celtic "only spent €25m"......5x times the rest of the entire league combined at the same point, including Rangers.

Let's use the same scale (biggest spender x5 league window total) in the bigger leagues for context:

PSG "only spent €3.5 billion".....in a single season
Bayern "only spend €3 billion"....in a single season
juventus "only spent €4 billion"....in a single season...etc etc....

and that's just fees....not salary etc. Go look at the difference in player salary between Celtic and Rangers, let alone Celtic and the rest of the league.

"bringing together a group of players previously plying their trade in Japan, Russia, Poland, Holland, Portugal etc and turning them into a functional team"....Professional manager brings in Professional players from other Professional leagues to a Professional club on a unequalable scale and creates a functioning team that wins the league....more breaking news at 7 o'clock Tim!

Look, I'm very pro Ange, but trying to paint any success with Celtic as being some kind of tale of triumph over insurmountable odds is mind-boggling.

To be fair Spurs have invested a significant amount of that money on youth for the future that were never going to be ready for week to week premier league football. He also lost one of the great modern players before they’d even kicked a ball which they could never find a replacement for and outside of Kane had no valuable players to sell to help turn the squad.

The football being awful in the final wasn’t helped by 3 of their most important players missing, including their only creative players.

I get both camps on the argument because they were awful in the league this season and in isolation no manager survives that. But they realistically overachieved in the league when they finished 5th last season and even in this awful season they made a league cup semi final and won a European trophy while going through a horrific injury run through the busiest part of the season.

And if that's the path that the club chose, conveyed to Ange and the fans and were happy to write the season off on that basis then that's perfectly fine. That certainly doesn't seem to be what has happened, but even if it was, you then can’t then complain about squad issues if you deliberately chose the path that would exacerbate those issues.

Ok, he lost Kane, which yes, was a big blow....but all teams have to replace star players at some point.

It's not like it was a shock last minute transfer either....Kane didn't go out for Milk and just not return one day. Kane went out and a fat Deutsche Bank cheque with lots of 000's on it appeared in his place. Which was then exchanged for Dominic Solanke, although €65m spend directly on Milk products might have been the better investment given the inevitable calcium demands stemming from Tottenhams growing future youth investment.

And again, €450m spent on players....i've been told he's worked magic on similar shoe-string sized budgets in the past. I even heard rumours possible deals....15 players for just €30m! Only If you're willing to take a chance players from underdeveloped footballing nations like Japan, Russia, Poland, Holland, Portugal etc.

No, the awful football in the final wasn't helped by 3 of their most important players missing, including their only creative players but you know what could have helped with that......

It's been a tough season due to injuries. Nobody is disputing that, but a manager's job is to get the best results with the resources available. That's the job title...."Manager". Yes, winning the Europa League is a great effort. The season is salvaged.

But what if he didn't? Do you honestly think 21 league losses for a team of Tottenhams size and resourcing is getting the best results?

There's a lot to unpack at Tottenham in the off-season.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Why can’t it be spun that Spurs essentially came 3rd/4th in the league having won Europa into Champions League? It’s pretty obvious Ange and the players focused on Europa league as early as December and didn’t give respect to EPL.
Is it really that bad? Guaranteed Champions league mean investments and players to come?

Also, Spurs and its fans have no acknowledged the impact Kane leaving has had. It’s significant. No replacements since and hardly any elite players on that level.

Incorrect on both fronts.

The 'not focused' rhetoric doesn't explain the long run form line including 23-24 season. Where 5th was attained with no Kane replacement made.

This year the club bought the 3rd highest scoring striker in the league last season.

Not focusing on the league is fine within the context of winning a trophy, which they did. But as Shoei has pointed out the long run league form line won't be ignored by fans as it will serve as an indicator for next league season.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Thank ****. Right up ya Man U.