List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[dudeintheswamp]

Enough Said!

Looks more like Ben Long, let's hope that's not an omen

 

[MordySaint]

Locked in: The stars set to cash in on AFL's $35m marketing fund

Top players could earn up to $2m a season when adding their marketing money to their on-field earnings

www.afl.com.au

As someone alluded to the other day, the marketing component that TDK will be paid makes his reported deal much more palatable.

That also relates to what Carlton can offer too in marketing.

They have some very big sponsors.

Seems another nail in the coffin to the weaker clubs.

 

[stavro#4]

'Part of something special': Star happy at Saints as decision on future looms

Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera spoke to AFL.com.au's Josh Gabelich about his future and his growth at the Saints

www.afl.com.au

NASIAH Wanganeen-Milera has let his exquisite right foot do the talking for him this year, but ahead of a return home for the bye, the in-demand South Australian says he wants to build something special at St Kilda and loves playing under Ross Lyon, although he isn’t ready to make a decision on his future.

 

[PJays]

The salary cap just went up 25%.

Source?

There will be a dozen players across the league on the kind on money in the next couple of years.

1.7 is the new 1.3M that the likes of dusty, fyfe, oliver, petracca etc have been on prior to the cap going up.

This is supposed to make me feel better?

"Oh it's only the equivalent of Dusty, Fyfe and Petracca's salaries.... for the 4th best ruckman under 30!!!"

 

[beside the seaside]

It certainly doesn't sound like he has re-signed yet. Says he wants to talk to his manager over the bye. The talk that he wants to be part of a great Saints team is encouraging. But in the end talk is cheap.

 

[PJays]

Locked in: The stars set to cash in on AFL's $35m marketing fund

Top players could earn up to $2m a season when adding their marketing money to their on-field earnings

www.afl.com.au

As someone alluded to the other day, the marketing component that TDK will be paid makes his reported deal much more palatable.

What makes you think that's part of the $12.5mil over 7 years St Kilda has offered?

I think you're mistaken. It's entirely separate.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

That Irish kid can’t be too far away from coming over. School term ends around now.

He might need a couple of weeks of party time

 

[Tommy Wigs]

TDK.

Looks like we will finally land a player (TDK) and people want to throw him back in the water (fishing analogy) and try and catch something better.

And zero pick cost. That’s a massssive win even if his contract is astronomical.

 

[CHBench]

'Part of something special': Star happy at Saints as decision on future looms

Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera spoke to AFL.com.au's Josh Gabelich about his future and his growth at the Saints

www.afl.com.au

NASIAH Wanganeen-Milera has let his exquisite right foot do the talking for him this year, but ahead of a return home for the bye, the in-demand South Australian says he wants to build something special at St Kilda and loves playing under Ross Lyon, although he isn’t ready to make a decision on his future.

Ok this forward focused quote about being the best Saints ever gives me confidence

We've got a good young crew. We are all self-driven and want to be the best Saints ever. That's what we are striving for.

 

[Yawkey way]

Its been a while since its been tried , but Marshall wasn't a great Key Forward, and the point of what they were saying , is if you have a good or better key forward then you are better off using them, rather than a ruck who is OK ish as a forward.
Because it’s not worth it for just a single hand full of centre bounce attendances.

Doing the same as others who do it better and have the players to play a certain game style is crazy. Different can be very effective especially when you have the quality and a very smart coach. I don’t see TDK or Marshall as permanent ruck forwards changing in a pocket. I see them as two mobile followers who can impact the contest all over the ground.

A fit King and Howard along with Marshall and TDK completely changes how we play and also releases others to play roles their better suited to.

 

[CHBench]

Personally i dont think the TDK $1.7m choice is the right one with where the list is at in the premiership window/cycle (god theres alot of cliches in there) but its also not an appalling bad choice like McCartin over Trac or Hanners.

In amongst all the TDK calculations, we'd also lose Marshall's contract who'd surely be one of the highest paid players at the club, ~700k? Somewhat takes the dent out of the enormous contract.

Adding to that, sending Ro to a Geelong or Adelaide, what kind of pick comes back our way? A top 25 pick for an aging star that's out of our window? I don't mind the TDK move in that context.

 

[PJays]

And zero pick cost. That’s a massssive win even if his contract is astronomical.

Haven't the Carlton and Collingwood examples taught us that astronomical contracts aren't a "massssive win"?

We should be aiming to emulate the Bulldogs. They got Treloar for market value with Collingwood still paying part of his salary.

Don't be the club that overpays.
Don't put us into a hole we'll have to dig out of.

Be like the Bulldogs, don't be like Collingwood.

 

[gubby88]

Haven't the Carlton and Collingwood examples taught us that astronomical contracts aren't a "massssive win"?

We should be aiming to emulate the Bulldogs. They got Treloar for market value with Collingwood still paying part of his salary.

Don't be the club that overpays.
Don't put us into a hole we'll have to dig out of.

Be like the Bulldogs, don't be like Collingwood.

yeah, all we need is a flag and a few generational footballers and we can be exactly like the bulldogs....

 

[SaintsSeptember]

In amongst all the TDK calculations, we'd also lose Marshall's contract who'd surely be one of the highest paid players at the club, ~700k? Somewhat takes the dent out of the enormous contract.

Adding to that, sending Ro to a Geelong or Adelaide, what kind of pick comes back our way? A top 25 pick for an aging star that's out of our window? I don't mind the TDK move in that context.

Collingwood only got pick 27 for Grundy.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

What makes you think that's part of the $12.5mil over 7 years St Kilda has offered?

I think you're mistaken. It's entirely separate.

Why?

Doesn’t fit your narrative?

Someone posted last week that $400k of the reported $1.7m per year is marketing spend outside the cap.

Then this article pops up.

 

[CHBench]

Collingwood only got pick 27 for Grundy.

Wasn't that a salary dump situation?

 

[sammm]

Pay NWM. Simples.

I doubt this is the issue. Maybe he will go home during the bye and make up his mind. Hope his step father can tell him again to stay

 

[sammm]

Breathe easy everyone - NWM resigning to be announced on Tuesday week. 6 year contract.

Source?

 

[stavro#4]

Collingwood only got pick 27 for Grundy.

In a fire sale because their cap was absolutely ****ed.

Whilst also losing Stephenson Treloar and that crab winger who would collect a heap of the ball but dispose of it like Byrnes like a season earlier.

 

[Sol Goodman]

When I think of TDK and fit King playing together

 

[sammm]

Just in, Ben King back round 18.

Huge News!!!!

Has he been out?

 

[PJays]

Someone posted last week that $400k of the reported $1.7m per year is marketing spend outside the cap.

Someone on Big Footy?

That's your source?

Then this article pops up.

It says

As part of the first 54 star-studded group, each club has two AFL players and one AFLW picked. For example, at Carlton the players are Patrick Cripps, Charlie Curnow and Darcy Vescio.

An additional cohort of 26 players will be added across the season at the request of specific commercial partners of the League.

This reads as if St Kilda has picked 2 players already.

Are you suggesting they've nominated De Koning, with a backup selected if they don't get him?

I very much doubt that.

Secondly, the entire fund is $35million with 80 players getting a cut (some more than others). Hard to imagine it could make up a significant portion of De Konings salary.

Third, why would the media be referring to a contract that includes amounts that's specifically outside their cap? The commentary has been St Kilda offered 12.5 over 7. Not that St Kilda offered say 10 with the AFL fund making up the rest

Could be wrong but it doesn't seem likely.

 

[phantom13]

Someone on Big Footy?

That's your source?



It says



This reads as if St Kilda has picked 2 players already.

Are you suggesting they've nominated De Koning, with a backup selected if they don't get him?

I very much doubt that.

Secondly, the entire fund is $35million with 80 players getting a cut (some more than others). Hard to imagine it could make up a significant portion of De Konings salary.

Third, why would the media be referring to a contract that includes amounts that's specifically outside their cap? The commentary has been St Kilda offered 12.5 over 7. Not that St Kilda offered say 10 with the AFL fund making up the rest

Could be wrong but it doesn't seem likely.

The math puts it at like 437k per player doesn’t it? (35m divided by 80 players).

That’s seems pretty much comensurate with what’s being suggested plus is obviously scalable (eg Tdk might get more than player 2 and the aflw player).

As for picking him prior to him being here if it’s not actually implemented yet I’m sure they have a provision for it, the afl loves trade and free agency being a big deal. Big money makes big deals, they wouldn’t lock a team into nominating it from their current list and hamstring it being part of an offer, even if they did it’s all just money off the cap anyway, if it comes of TDK or cal Wilkie or max king it sits outside the cap.

 

[Captain Paddy]

Any chance we can sign Jase Burgoyne to keep Nas happy.

Losing Nas would just about end me

 

[goodie23]

Any chance we can sign Jase Burgoyne to keep Nas happy.

Losing Nas would just about end me

We've done what we can - if Doc Wood, Windy, Collard, Keeler, Hilly, Henry, Ross, Browny and a truckload of cash can't convince him, he doesn't want to stay.