Autopsy Round 12, 2025: Positives and Negatives vs Geelong

[Scotland]

Duggan would be leading the comp for % of field kicks that aren't drop punts.

Why does he kick like a half back looking for touch or an on side runner?

 

[THE A5]

Duggan would be leading the comp for % of field kicks that aren't drop punts.

Why does he kick like a half back looking for touch or an on side runner?

I don’t know whats wrong with Duggan this year cause his kicking and Dump kicks have gotten way worse this year. Last couple years he wasn’t this bad. Man 10 years ago Duggan entered the comp and we were frothing how much of a gun kick he was. Especially with his non dominant foot

 

[Donkers]

Sorry for the impasse, is the Jumper from the weekend for sale by the club?

 

[Astro7]

I don’t know what's wrong with Duggan this year cause his kicking and Dump kicks have gotten way worse this year. Last couple years he wasn’t this bad. Man 10 years ago Duggan entered the comp and we were frothing how much of a gun kick he was. Especially with his non dominant foot

Probably relates to the new game style, pace and intensity? Although there's always pressure in the backline.
I didn't know he was once a good kick; he did kick a long raking bullet to a team mate on Sunday, was polish. But those panic dump kicks from backline congestion are a killer!

 

[Mop]

Sorry for the impasse, is the Jumper from the weekend for sale by the club?

Sold out unless you're a child, a very small adult human or a fan of long sleeve in a 3XL or bigger

 

[THE A5]

Probably relates to the new game style, pace and intensity? Although there's always pressure in the backline.
I didn't know he was once a good kick; he did kick a long raking bullet to a team mate on Sunday, was polish. But those panic dump kicks from backline congestion are a killer!

He essentially became the complete opposite to what he was drafted as

 

[Astro7]

He essentially became the complete opposite to what he was drafted as
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Wow, at the risk of negativity - he doesn't have pace, nor smarts, nor point of difference, neat+sharp disposal?, creativity with ball?, poise under pressure?, classy and composed? These were all his attributes at 18.
All I see now is a solid build, a deep voice and a good leader.

 

[Mop]

Wow, at the risk of negativity - he doesn't have pace, nor smarts, nor point of difference, neat+sharp disposal?, creativity with ball?, poise under pressure?, classy and composed? These were all his attributes at 18.
All I see now is a solid build, a deep voice and a good leader.

I know the game has changed a lot in a decade, but I don't think Duggan and neat is ever a description I'd have used.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Probably relates to the new game style, pace and intensity? Although there's always pressure in the backline.
I didn't know he was once a good kick; he did kick a long raking bullet to a team mate on Sunday, was polish. But those panic dump kicks from backline congestion are a killer!

I feel like this game style should suit him.

He played his best footy in QLD hub in 2020. The shorter quarters in the humid conditions made for lots of ground ball and very contested footy.

 

[Grahame]

In almost every instance winning 2-3 extra games is better long term than winning a spoon.

My scenario was not either/or, it was both. We win games but not 2-3 more than Rich and NM thus leaving us bottom.

So take all we can get this year because next we shouldn’t be near the spoon (12-14?)

Spoon = #1 + leverage
Oscar Band 1 compo = #2 + leverage

Plus maybe maybe maybe R1 PP. (But unlikely the vAFL would give a hated nonVic club any help even if they are ‘possibly the worst team ever’.)

All in an apparently shallow draft - and with Tas coming it might our last really good draft.

That could be a massive haul.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

My scenario was not either/or, it was both. We win games but not 2-3 more than Rich and NM thus leaving us bottom.

So take all we can get this year because next we shouldn’t be near the spoon (12-14?)

Spoon = #1 + leverage
Oscar Band 1 compo = #2 + leverage

Plus maybe maybe maybe R1 PP. (But unlikely the vAFL would give a hated nonVic club any help even if they are ‘possibly the worst team ever’.)

All in an apparently shallow draft - and with Tas coming it might our last really good draft.

That could be a massive haul.

A supporter of this once club barracking for a spoon is not what I want to be.

Good luck with your plan.

 

[Grahame]

A supporter of this once club barracking for a spoon is not what I want to be.

Good luck with your plan.

FFS. Please read and comprehend my posts. I was putting forward the hypothetical that if we win games, but (unfortunately) not enough to go past Rich and NM, then we’d get the spoon. And that there could be serious advantages in that this year.

I NEVER EVER ‘barracked for the spoon’. I was there R1 1987 do not ever question my allegiance. Clear enough?

Grrrr!

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

FFS. Please read and comprehend my posts. I was putting forward the hypothetical that if we win games, but (unfortunately) not enough to go past Rich and NM, then we’d get the spoon. And that there could be serious advantages in that this year.

I NEVER EVER ‘barracked for the spoon’. I was there R1 1987 do not ever question my allegiance. Clear enough?

Grrrr!

You've made four posts now talking about winning more games, but still retaining pick 1 being your best scenario. You only get pick 1 if you win a spoon.

Like it or not, that's barracking for the spoon, and if that brings up strong feelings for you, that's for you to work through.

I don't want pick 1, in fact I want us to leap frog Tiges and North. Let Richmond have pick 1 & 2.

There has been one year in recent history where having pick 1 provided a significant competitive advantage over pick 2 or later, and that was 2023.

In my view, it's not a prize, it's not something to want for your team.

You obviously feel differently, and that's fine, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Tho it matters little fighting over scraps.
Ask yourself this;At years end if you had a percentage of 120 and 4 wins for the season and I gave you the choice of finishing last or second last which would you choose?
To me it’s a choice of pride against pragmatism!

 

[Astro7]

I know the game has changed a lot in a decade, but I don't think Duggan and neat is ever a description I'd have used.

Same here. At the risk of being overly harsh/critical on him, I'm not sure he's suited to the new game plan because of its pace and decision making skills on the fly. The whole team is still getting up to speed in that regard, still early days I guess. But Duggan does have a history of bad/dump kicks even with Simmo.

 

[Elite Pete]

Even Jeff White

Jeff White

Age

49

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

6.3

4star

HO

18.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

6.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

1.6

2star

HO

3.0

5star

has highlighted Duggan dump kicks

 

[eaglespremiers]

In these stats they should deduct turnovers and resulting metres lost, from metres gained! It's only true and fair? (but I guess the oppo players gets those metres gained)

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Does this include vertical metres gained?

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

I know the game has changed a lot in a decade, but I don't think Duggan and neat is ever a description I'd have used.

In fact he was pretty much exactly as his draft scout describes when he started- he played 12 games in a row after debuting and I remember thinking he was a really impressive midfield prospect- had obvious pace, was a smooth mover in traffic and looked good by foot. If you can be bothered digging up match threads from 2015 I suspect you'll find quite a lot of people fapping about the blue chip midfield prospect we'd gotten for a steal.

But he seriously ****ed his PCL late that year and he was never quite the same player after that. Came back the following year as a defender.

Don't know why exactly but there are is something about PCLs early in careers that seriously affects a player's development.

 

[Astro7]

In fact he was pretty much exactly as his draft scout describes when he started- he played 12 games in a row after debuting and I remember thinking he was a really impressive midfield prospect- had obvious pace, was a smooth mover in traffic and looked good by foot. If you can be bothered digging up match threads from 2015 you'll find quite a lot of people fapping about the blue chip midfield prospect we'd gotten for a steal.

But he seriously ****ed his PCL late that year and he was never quite the same player after that. Came back the following year as a defender.

Don't know why exactly but there are is something about PCLs early in careers that seriously affects a player's development.

Ok, wasn't aware of that, was wondering why he changed so much.

 

[WCErevival]

In fact he was pretty much exactly as his draft scout describes when he started- he played 12 games in a row after debuting and I remember thinking he was a really impressive midfield prospect- had obvious pace, was a smooth mover in traffic and looked good by foot. If you can be bothered digging up match threads from 2015 I suspect you'll find quite a lot of people fapping about the blue chip midfield prospect we'd gotten for a steal.

But he seriously ****ed his PCL late that year and he was never quite the same player after that. Came back the following year as a defender.

Don't know why exactly but there are is something about PCLs early in careers that seriously affects a player's development.

He did his PCL in 2021 too from memory.

 

[Astro7]

Even Jeff White has highlighted Duggan dump kicks

Good reel. Some of it seems common sense, to teach it in the very beginning, but I guess there's a lot of things to take on with new game plan. But there's a stark difference from early games. Duggan might need to stay back doing extra homework?

 

[FKASC]

In fact he was pretty much exactly as his draft scout describes when he started- he played 12 games in a row after debuting and I remember thinking he was a really impressive midfield prospect- had obvious pace, was a smooth mover in traffic and looked good by foot. If you can be bothered digging up match threads from 2015 I suspect you'll find quite a lot of people fapping about the blue chip midfield prospect we'd gotten for a steal.

But he seriously ****ed his PCL late that year and he was never quite the same player after that. Came back the following year as a defender.

Don't know why exactly but there are is something about PCLs early in careers that seriously affects a player's development.

This

The duggo hype on here was like Gross on steroids after his first few games.

 

[THE A5]

This

The duggo hype on here was like Gross on steroids after his first few games.

I still think about 2015 duggan and cry.
Mop Astro7 check these out.

 

[Astro7]

I still think about 2015 duggan and cry.
Mop Astro7 check these out.

Ok, tbh, not exactly a standout for mine. Then I saw on there a reel of Duggans 2018 highlights, and that was impressive! Weird, been following WC for years (decades) especially the finals years, but barely remember Duggan even from 2018?
Anyway, alas no more...

 

[EagleMan87]

All in an apparently shallow draft - and with Tas coming it might our last really good draft

Far from a guarantee that they even go ahead with Tassie.