List Mgmt. 2025 List Management

[serial_thrilla]

 

[Purple Suit]

It’s all just opinions etc but I couldn’t disagree more with this

I firmly believe that without injuries to certain players we would be running about 12-13 th ATM

We stumbled blindly onto the current dangerous looking side we’ve evolved into

Just in time for mumbles to **** it all up again as we start getting players back

Potential over experience all day

All of the blame and none of the credit hey. It’s not a closed system, losses lead to personnel changes so having injuries is the same as losses and the bottom performers start playing WAFL.

We have been missing actually good best 22 players every week who would make us even more dangerous like Young & Walker, plus cameo’s from Bolton, Jackson and now Pearce.

 

[jusjoshin]

What does Erasmus offer over JOM in your mind?

He doesn't have the outside game of JOM, and his inside game is similar-ish, but he does offer improvement. We know what JOM will provide. Ras hasn't shown us yet, and the only way he grows from here is senior games. I think he's shown enough to keep his spot as long as his form is good (until JOM kicks the door off the hinges).

 

[Daddoo]

Or, he's in melb with his Gf's family as has been reported and then the narrative doesn't look so positive.

He's on a bye week and he spending time with his wife's family. I'm sure there are 100 other players who do this during their bye week. As his official buddy, I can confirm there is nothing to see here. Let's not jump at shadows. Carry on.

 

[Wray27]

What does Erasmus offer over JOM in your mind?

If we resign him he’ll be here in 3 years unlike JOM

 

[malpaso]

He doesn't have the outside game of JOM, and his inside game is similar-ish, but he does offer improvement. We know what JOM will provide. Ras hasn't shown us yet, and the only way he grows from here is senior games. I think he's shown enough to keep his spot as long as his form is good (until JOM kicks the door off the hinges).

The GC game conditions suited Erasmus hence his best game for the year and he did 'step up'. JOM however is a far better player (skills, decision-making, versatility and speed) in optimal playing conditions.

 

[malpaso]

I’d we resign him he’ll be here in 3 years unlike JOM

I'd resign him just to trade him and get max benefit. Offer him 2 years, if he doesn't ramp up significantly next year then trade him whilst still under contract. Big possibility that there is a mid-season trade period next season.

 

[wakojako]

Agenda

 

[Taylor]

Could add four years to Jackson's current contract so he is signed until 2033 like Hayden Young

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Hayden Young

Age

24

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

3star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.2

2star

. Jackson, Young, same draft and Jackson is younger by four/five months.

If that's the issue, done. Finish it. Same deal as Young.

 

[thistimeforsure]

Agenda

They really missed a trick there not asking him “ would you see out your contract “ as one of the questions

 

[Quazar2]

I get dragged to see the outlaws every second holiday, I can't imagine it's much different for LJ.

Outlaws

 

[thistimeforsure]

All of the blame and none of the credit hey. It’s not a closed system, losses lead to personnel changes so having injuries is the same as losses and the bottom performers start playing WAFL.

We have been missing actually good best 22 players every week who would make us even more dangerous like Young & Walker, plus cameo’s from Bolton, Jackson and now Pearce.

lol I was obviously talking about Hayden Young

Well done , you really got me a beauty there

Ouch

 

[Stevooo3940]

Stick with Raz! It may not pay off but what if he absolutely explodes. He has untapped talent and works hard. Give him the chance. It could be the decision that makes us truly a contender. There will be chances for JOM with injuries at some point. Its not like he's been elite since arriving. He's just been ahead of a few others. That dial is turning though!

 

[Purple Suit]

lol I was obviously talking about Hayden Young

Well done , you really got me a beauty there

Ouch

So with Young in the team we’d be 12-13th? He was one of our most dangerous players last year before we added Bolton, Reid and Jackson engaged beast mode.

I thought you were referring to injuries like Fyfe, Walters, JOM, Darcy.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

All of the blame and none of the credit hey. It’s not a closed system, losses lead to personnel changes so having injuries is the same as losses and the bottom performers start playing WAFL.

We have been missing actually good best 22 players every week who would make us even more dangerous like Young & Walker, plus cameo’s from Bolton, Jackson and now Pearce.

That’s the serendipitous nature of football.

 

[Docker82]

Age shouldn’t come into.

The question should be, is this player best 23 or be a good depth player?

If they are a depth player, can they be happy in that role?

Making list management decisions based on getting the age numbers high or low is a terrible tool.

Potential certainly comes into it tbh. If it's an old reliable depth player who's barely ever playing or a youngster with potential its youngster getting kept pretty much every time.

 

[eastfreo75]

Potential certainly comes into it tbh. If it's an old reliable depth player who's barely ever playing or a youngster with potential its youngster getting kept pretty much every time.

Geelong don’t have that mentality.

 

[Taylor]

Take it to the extreme. Are you playing the young player over the senior if it's the grand final?

 

[Silencer83]

Agenda

Best Back Chat ever... probably not hard to win that.

LJ is just a real honest human being, and as shoddy as lie detectors can be, not surprised the only questions he wasn't "honest" on were subjective.

Give him a pass on Clive considering most of his career was pre LJ being born, and Clive's mullet was long gone by career end.

Angus over Andy? Again not surprised, he lived with the Brayshaws when he first moved to Melbourne, and he won a premiership with Angus.

 

[Taylor]

I'm sure both Jackson and Andy would enjoy closing the lift doors in a bump on Maynard all the same.

 

[Docker82]

Geelong don’t have that mentality.

They've delisted a fair few capable depth players over the years. Brandon Parfitt is an example from just last year.

There's also been quite a few late picks and/or guys drafted one or two years ago that maje a contribution after these guys are delisted. It's about knowing when/if your players are ready to stand up.

They aren't keeping 26-30 year old depth players all that much. If they don't play quite a few games they're gone.

Honestly don't think outside of their cheap trades their overall strategy doesn't differ too much from ours.

 

[Taylor]

There was a period of time when Brisbane had a team of 23, featuring their regulars and old boys - but everyone else was <=20 games 18 to 22 year old.

Geelong I expect are the same. Yes. Geelong came into 2025 with 20 on their list with 20 or less games. Four of that number have played over ten games so far this year, eight total with over five games this year.

Just to highlight that, the very next to players above that group of 20 with 20 or less players are Oliver Dempsey (32 games) and Sam De Koning (62 games).

They have 18 on their squad going into 2025 with 100 games or more.

Compare that with Freo I hear you asking, sure.

13 players with 20 or less games on the squad, 2 players over ten games in that group this year (Reid, Worner), total of five players with over five games from that group.

12 players going into 2025 with 100 games or more.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Take it to the extreme. Are you playing the young player over the senior if it's the grand final?

The obvious yet unsatisfactory answer is "whoever's in the best 23".

Everyone roughly knows that teams which roll out 23s as young and inexperienced as ours don't win flags. You probably need to add 2-3 of Walters, Fyfe, Aish or JOM in the 23 to bridge that gap. The 2016 Bulldogs, 2017 Tigers and 2021 Demons are the 3 flag teams since 2012 that are remotely close to us in terms of youth or inexperience. And even then, none of them are bottom 4 in both (Bulldogs 2016 the only one that's bottom 4 in one of those metrics); we're dead last in both.

But you don't bridge that gap for the sake of doing so. Aish doesn't bring valuable experience: Worner's the considerably better player. If our best 23 has the average age and experience of a rebuilding team, doesn't matter. There's 100 different "9 of the last 10 premiers were X" trends that are nice to notice. But you don't go out of your way to fit the trend.

Ras has become somewhat representative of this convo. He's the only OOC player worth caring about where his selection over the next few months determines whether he'll stay or leave (Sharp and Worner look like easy re-signs). To me, the fix to that conundrum is "don't make 2 mistakes".

• If you keep him in the team, he re-signs, and him being there is successful, great.
• If you drop him, he leaves, and someone else being there is successful, you live with that.
• If you keep him in the team, he re-signs, but his performances aren't up to scratch, you probably live with that depending on what that means.
• If you drop him, he leaves, and someone else being there fails, you've made 2 mistakes.

 

[Purple Suit]

The obvious yet unsatisfactory answer is "whoever's in the best 23".

Everyone roughly knows that teams which roll out 23s as young and inexperienced as ours don't win flags. You probably need to add 2-3 of Walters, Fyfe, Aish or JOM in the 23 to bridge that gap. The 2016 Bulldogs, 2017 Tigers and 2021 Demons are the 3 flag teams since 2012 that are remotely close to us in terms of youth or inexperience. And even then, none of them are bottom 4 in both (Bulldogs 2016 the only one that's bottom 4 in one of those metrics); we're dead last in both.

But you don't bridge that gap for the sake of doing so. Aish doesn't bring valuable experience: Worner's the considerably better player. If our best 23 has the average age and experience of a rebuilding team, doesn't matter. There's 100 different "9 of the last 10 premiers were X" trends that are nice to notice. But you don't go out of your way to fit the trend.

Ras has become somewhat representative of this convo. He's the only OOC player worth caring about where his selection over the next few months determines whether he'll stay or leave (Sharp and Worner look like easy re-signs). To me, the fix to that conundrum is "don't make 2 mistakes".

• If you keep him in the team, he re-signs, and him being there is successful, great.
• If you drop him, he leaves, and someone else being there is successful, you live with that.
• If you keep him in the team, he re-signs, but his performances aren't up to scratch, you probably live with that depending on what that means.
• If you drop him, he leaves, and someone else being there fails, you've made 2 mistakes.

There are a few more options.

We keep him in the team, he resigns but we lose someone else who he kept out.

I'd be all for giving Johnno a spell next as I think their output is basically the same and he has a longer contract. Not sure if anybody else shakes loose. Maybe Sharp is one if we brought Noddy in for him as Ras holds Noddy's spot.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

They've delisted a fair few capable depth players over the years. Brandon Parfitt is an example from just last year.

There's also been quite a few late picks and/or guys drafted one or two years ago that maje a contribution after these guys are delisted. It's about knowing when/if your players are ready to stand up.

They aren't keeping 26-30 year old depth players all that much. If they don't play quite a few games they're gone.

Honestly don't think outside of their cheap trades their overall strategy doesn't differ too much from ours.

I’ll never understand why they took the position they did on Jordan Clark.
Not only the fact they couldn’t find a spot for him but then to play hardball and keep him another year, in which they didn’t play him. Unfathomable.

 

[Wray27]

If you take the premise that we’re not playing a GF this year then selection of younger players to get experience for when we push for a GF is paramount.
Fyfe and Walters are very very unlikely to be extended. Currently Fyfe isn’t keeping anyone out who will be playing 2026 and beyond. If Walters comes in at the expense of Dudley or Reid we are 1/2 season behind in one of those players development.
Make that reasoning on every developing player.
If you think we can make the GF go with experience.
Any rational analysis of the chance of making a GF from 6-8 on the ladder for the dockers says it’s a very small chance.