Autopsy AFL 2025 Round 13 - Demons v Pies Mon June 9th 3:20pm AEST (MCG)

[Rustin Cohle]

This is the guy who thinks Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

is an elite player lol.

Nice meltdown though.

 

[Humblebob]

oh dear ur really going to include the gifted goal. nick was amazing to get that one. what talent lol.

it was 18 v 22 with the 4 umps.

just admit its cringe coz pies were supposed to be 'the best' team and now no dees fans rate ya

Someone will have to let Fly and the lads know a bloke on big footy doesnt rate them, they'll be devastated.

Cant win though, beat a top 4 contender by 10 goals and we are peaking too early, beat another team in their grand final for the year by a point and we're falling away and rubbish. The modern day footy fan is full of it.

 

[Pistol Night]

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The poor campaigner would have 19 little yellow life partners if he accepted them all

 

[beerbandit]

Melbourne really need to start being competitive on Kings Birthday games or the AFL should look at replacing them with a bigger club, someone like St Kilda.

 

[Professor Knowall]

When did this rebuild start? Just asking for academic purposes for a "professor" friend.

Thank you for asking on my behalf.

 

[Pistol Night]

Melbourne really need to start being competitive on Kings Birthday games or the AFL should look at replacing them with a bigger club, someone like St Kilda.

I’d reward a team with a more dedicated fan base like GWS

 

[Doc1763]

I’d reward a team with a more dedicated fan base like GWS

Tassie?

 

[Guardian Hawk]

OMG

I mean, seriously? Even if we're to entrain this ridiculous juxtaposition, if a full back played on a full forward and the full forward kicked 1.1, had 19 disposals, 431 metres gained, 3 score launches, 8 clearances, we'd be saying he was the greatest full forward of all time.

Well no - a 19 disposal, 1 goal game for a full forward is not 'greatest of all time' territory (but certainly a respectable game).

You've missed my point though. I highlighted I'm not commenting on this game in particular (I didn't even see it all). I was merely making the point that you don't evaluate the performance of a player given a purely defensive role on how many touches the defensive player gets. You've inadvertantly confirmed my point by discussing the impact of the "full forward" rather than emphasising the number of possessions by the "full back". That's how the role is assessed - by the level of influence the player they are matched up on has.

Wasn't criticising your view of this game in any way at all by the way - you may well be right (and the stats seem to suggest Daicos still had a reasonable impact).

 

[Nicco_jj]

Harsh on Max. Bad error at the end but game already gone. He'd well and truly kept them in it til then.

His field kicking was horrendous. He kicked into the middle of the ground at one point straight in between 4 pies players, which I think resulted in a shot on goal (?). And that final one would have given a score had Hoskin gone back for a shot. Very harsh, I agree, and his ruck work was just so good that they probably still were 3+ goals better off having him in than not, even with his errors. He gave Cameron a bath in the ruck!

 

[Tarkyn_24]

lol. real smart cookie. Daicos' role was to get as much easy, useless footy as possible and Langdon's role was to stop Daicos from doing so. Langdon annihilated him.

Might want to replace your coach if he’s so fixated on stopping so much “useless footy”.

 

[420]

10+ pages of pies fans after the game running damage control talking to themselves

 

[Pistol Night]

10+ pages of pies fans after the game running damage control talking to themselves

Oh no.

 

[Bianconeri]

Gifted goal ? The one where Kosi put the ball on the ground instead of giving it back ? You think that isn't 50 every day of the week ?

it was gifted in the sense that Kosi gifted it. Taking advantage of the opposition’s gifts is part of being a good player though.

 

[RCAB]

Well no - a 19 disposal, 1 goal game for a full forward is not 'greatest of all time' territory (but certainly a respectable game).

You've missed my point though. I highlighted I'm not commenting on this game in particular (I didn't even see it all). I was merely making the point that you don't evaluate the performance of a player given a purely defensive role on how many touches the defensive player gets. You've inadvertantly confirmed my point by discussing the impact of the "full forward" rather than emphasising the number of possessions by the "full back". That's how the role is assessed - by the level of influence the player they are matched up on has.

Wasn't criticising your view of this game in any way at all by the way - you may well be right (and the stats seem to suggest Daicos still had a reasonable impact).

 

[timokane]

Yesterday was typical hard winter footy.
Hard slog by both teams.
Pies ahead for the whole game but just couldnt kick away at all.
Dees kept on chipping the lead back all the time.
Hard footy.
Thought the ground looked cut up and in bad shape ground looked very slow and worn out slow footy all round.
Always thought it was going to be a scrap.
If the conditions were dryer and ground better then Pies would have won by 5 goals.
But close at the end Pies by 1 point will do me and now the big breather we all need and rest up re set reload time.
Pies need to reset and regroup i think.
Have this time to work on yourself and minds off footy and we come back fresh v Saints at Marvel.
Case of take the win 4 points and move on.
Get the win and rest reset.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

IN other words, I wasn't arguing that Langdon won or "gave Nick a bath" - simply that how many possessions Langdon gets is not the way to make that call. As a fellow Hawk, I'm sure you remember the first time we sent Maginness to Daicos (2023) in the middle of a huge purple patch for Daicos. Daicos had 5 possessions for the whole game (his previous season low was 25). Mitchell effectively used our 22nd best player to completely nullify the opposition's best player. The result was a bottom team unexpectedly beating the team that went on to win the flag. The fact that Maginness only had 6 possessions himself is irrelevant. He executed his role effectively (and 'won' that contest).

 

[Pistol Night]

IN other words, I wasn't arguing that Langdon won or "gave Nick a bath" - simply that how many possessions Langdon gets is not the way to make that call. As a fellow Hawk, I'm sure you remember the first time we sent Maginness to Daicos (2023) in the middle of a huge purple patch for Daicos. Daicos had 5 possessions for the whole game (his previous season low was 25). Mitchell effectively used our 22nd best player to completely nullify the opposition's best player. The result was a bottom team unexpectedly beating the team that went on to win the flag. The fact that Maginness only had 6 possessions himself is irrelevant. He executed his role effectively (and 'won' that contest).

The fact that Daicos was injured and subbed out may have affected his game that day. Who knows

 

[Bianconeri]

IN other words, I wasn't arguing that Langdon won or "gave Nick a bath" - simply that how many possessions Langdon gets is not the way to make that call. As a fellow Hawk, I'm sure you remember the first time we sent Maginness to Daicos (2023) in the middle of a huge purple patch for Daicos. Daicos had 5 possessions for the whole game (his previous season low was 25). Mitchell effectively used our 22nd best player to completely nullify the opposition's best player. The result was a bottom team unexpectedly beating the team that went on to win the flag. The fact that Maginness only had 6 possessions himself is irrelevant. He executed his role effectively (and 'won' that contest).

Langdon isn’t Melbourne’s 22nd best player though.

 

[Fadge]

When did this rebuild start? Just asking for academic purposes for a "professor" friend.

FMD.

Rebuilding with a 33 year old Gawn, a has-been Oliver, and your 2nd and 3rd best players after Gawn - Petracca and Pickett - each with one foot out the door.

Sound rebuild approach.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

The fact that Daicos was injured and subbed out may have affected his game that day. Who knows

Daicos got injured (and was subbed) half way through the last quarter. Of his 5 possessions in 3.5 quarters, 2 came from free kicks given away by players other than Maginness. I think it's fair to say Maginness was effective in his role, essentially restricting Nick to 3 touches in 3.5 quarters (on route to a highly unlikely victory).

It's not a knock on Nick. He's an amazing player who was good enough to already attract a dedicated tag in just his 2nd season. I think it was also the first time at AFL level that Daicos had received the attention of a dedicated tagger so fully understandable that he was yet to work out exactly how to play through it. It's now evident he finds a way to still have an impact even when copping close attention all game, such as the example against Melbourne.

 

[Fadge]

just admit its cringe coz pies were supposed to be 'the best' team and now no dees fans rate ya

Oh no.

How will we cope?

 

[Doc1763]

just admit its cringe coz pies were supposed to be 'the best' team and now no dees fans rate ya

we dont rate your Covid Cup

 

[Pistol Night]

Oh no.

How will we cope?

The fact we’re 11-2 and now Melbourne fans don’t rate us is good enough for me to just abandon the season I think.

 

[danster168]

we dont rate your Covid Cup

lol the covid cup you couldn't even win?

 

[Doc1763]

lol the covid cup you couldn't even win?

you've been superb since the competition returned to normal, just superb