List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[JJBagger]

That would be the worst 22 we’ve had since the dark old days. Our time is now before our stars retire.

Losing: (from your 22)
Cripps, Weitering, Saad, Haynes, McGovern, Docherty, Curnow, TDK, McKay, Silvagni, Williams, Newman & Hewett.

Cowan - talented (hasn’t shown he’s a best 22 lock yet)
HOF - one to be excited about
Carroll - talented (not an accumulator for the distributor role)
O.Hollands - getting better every week
Dean - projects well (never played a game)
Wilson - talented (struggles to accumulate for the distributor role - never played a game)
Walsh - AFL quality
Cerra - AFL quality
Binns - accumulator (poor kick)
E.Hollands - AFL quality (off-field issues)
Lemmey - growing into the role (never played a game - average aggression)
Moir - not up to AFL fitness
Motlop - lazy
Kemp - AFL quality
HOK - one to be excited about
Smith - one to be excited about
B.Camporeale - inside accumulator (turnover merchant) never played a game
L.Camporeale - outside (turnover merchant)
Lord - AFL quality (needs mid-field time)
Durdin - Average quality
Charleston - talented (not an accumulator for the distributor role)

Really harsh and unfair on the Camporeale brothers that you’ve focused on one weakness, and not mentioned their AFL qualities that can keep improving through games and development

 

[Pablito]

50/50 depends on how much he puts over his head he will stay if Doc, Mcgovern and maybe if Walsh and Mckay move to other club paying their contract. Newman and Haynes would be on the cheap or don't get contact simple over 30 you don't pay much when their young ones that can develop on the cheap. Silvagni on his few games available he has owned controlled directed the backline like you said but he is near 30 starting to get injured not a great kick at times but try hard so your not giving him a long contract more likely 2 years. I think Wright will do hard decision see who in Carlton 5 year plan. I would trade Mckay try getting Bergmen and Walsh he has back issues that never goes away as much i like him may be best interest to get a early pick in 2026 draft not this year. I am not sure we have other players we could trade getting better or a position needed I don't think a Motlop and Kemp going to get something better or Pitto getting something descent. Ollie Holland and Cowan are better being kept both young but may get you something different like a small forward if you can replace them. The other Holland is talented but doesn't deserve a list spot over the other young players off contact yes has talent but doesn't have the right attitude to have team success. He may get a spot as a rookie if his mental health improve but if he isn't playing your basically have 1 spot less on list than other clubs that not good.

None of the successful sides of the last 30 years have taken this approach. Those players have had success Mckay hasn't got the mental toughness that why if you can get better or something back younger in a position you do it. Walsh is different but he is similar to Kreuzer both were very good but now needed management we seen how Kreuzer ended with Walsh Back issues that never goes away you manage it. He will never be the same player like he was designed to be you were better off these days with a knee injury missing a year. Back Issues linger for life once you develop . Carlton have a history of players after them never the same. Walsh would have likely been our next Captain if not for it.

The year hasn't ended why does anyone get a contract you wait too see what happens with TDK. Hewitt comes cheap it easy to do Lemmey, Wilson, White contract all basic wage small contact . The rest can wait you don't see Motlop contact. I am sure everyone even Haynes, Mcgovern. Doc and even Newman will wait. My personal view Silvagni gets 2 years but depends on amount although if i was running club and him being near 30 what his Dad doing to the club with TDK and we lose TDK i would let his son go. Hey just imagine your company getting one of your best in your business then we getting something back in a weaker draft. The Company has that guy in the organization who been their been a handy worker then your Dad takes your best talent you be pretty pissed off making your organization weaker. I would be a bit pissed off if i was Jack what his Dad doing to Carlton club going for TDK he could have gone targeting other club. SOS has become a turncoat i bet if John Elliot was alive he would have a few nasty words been sent his way. SOS had a big part with or Loss of draft picks as well as our 30 years of disaster since mark my words he didn't need to talk Fraser Brown kept quiet. SOS and Ian Collins in my opinion have destroyed the club since 2001. John Elliot would have won in court if club didn't remove him 100% pity Go Fund Me wasn't around. The Millions would have been made for a better course not abused by People who don't have a cent to their name who get paid well that go on Holidays and do stupid things without Insurance

Don't need him have O'keefe and Pitto until 2027 get Bergmen defence midfield also wouldn't take a pick if around Pick 8 will get another dodgy brothers pick Sam Petrevski-Seton, Paddy Dow, Lochie O'Brien, Kane Lucas, Troy Menzel or at best a Jordan Russell in a weaker draft this year. It has to be a Pick around 3 where their a gun tall defender to team up with O'farrell, best Midfielder or that Ruck Forward Kreuzer 2.0 that was rated Pick 1. They were saying he is AFL ready so have Pitto until 2027 then O'keefe and that pick become the Key Rucks.

Please maybe summarise your points next time.

Also use paragraph breaks, i get tired just scrolling past your walls of text.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Really harsh and unfair on the Camporeale brothers that you’ve focused on one weakness, and not mentioned their AFL qualities that can keep improving through games and development

That one weakness (kicking)… Is quite important in the modern game and is what’s holding us back now. Mids with poor disposal that can’t connect with our forward line.

Unless they can improve their kicking, I don’t see them as an adequate replacement for Cripps and Hewett. They’d be depth.

IMO… Cerra, Walsh, Jagga & Lord are much better options.

 

[Chamber JJJ]

That would be the worst 22 we’ve had since the dark old days. Our time is now before our stars retire.

Losing: (from your 22)
Cripps, Weitering, Saad, Haynes, McGovern, Docherty, Curnow, TDK, McKay, Silvagni, Williams, Newman & Hewett.

Cowan - talented (hasn’t shown he’s a best 22 lock yet)
HOF - one to be excited about
Carroll - talented (not an accumulator for the distributor role)
O.Hollands - getting better every week
Dean - projects well (never played a game)
Wilson - talented (struggles to accumulate for the distributor role - never played a game)
Walsh - AFL quality
Cerra - AFL quality
Binns - accumulator (poor kick)
E.Hollands - AFL quality (off-field issues)
Lemmey - growing into the role (never played a game - average aggression)
Moir - not up to AFL fitness
Motlop - lazy
Kemp - AFL quality
HOK - one to be excited about
Smith - one to be excited about
B.Camporeale - inside accumulator (turnover merchant) never played a game
L.Camporeale - outside (turnover merchant)
Lord - AFL quality (needs mid-field time)
Durdin - Average quality
Charleston - talented (not an accumulator for the distributor role)

HOK hasn't shown anything in 2 games to say he be better than Charleston, Lemmey, Camporeale boys he has been given a go hopefully more. He is A Ruckman not a Forward.

 

[carlton_99]

Motlop - lazy

Interesting designation for a player that ranks elite for tackles at his position (top 5 amongst general forwards that have played > 5 games) and is averaging 16.2 pressure acts per game. By no means am I calling Motlop amazing but his effort is not the issue imo

 

[JJBagger]

That one weakness (kicking)… Is quite important in the modern game and is what’s holding us back now. Mids with poor disposal that can’t connect with our forward line.

Unless they can improve their kicking, I don’t see them as an adequate replacement for Cripps and Hewett. They’d be depth.

IMO… Cerra, Walsh, Jagga & Lord are much better options.

Bailey Smith is one of the worst kicks in the comp. He goes alright

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Interesting designation for a player that ranks elite for tackles at his position (top 5 amongst general forwards that have played > 5 games) and is averaging 16.2 pressure acts per game. By no means am I calling Motlop amazing but his effort is not the issue imo

25 tackles in his last 5 games

 

[Chamber JJJ]

Salary cap increased by $500K in 2024, $1.9K 2005 and another $500K in 2026… $2.9K in 3 years…

Jack is 27yrs old 28 in December, imo we wouldn’t need to move on Harry to fit him in our cap, We would be incompetent to trade out Harry unless there is a request by him, for personal reasons…

We will have a list of retirements trades and delistings to an array of players of all ages and levels that should balance out the playing list profiles and options to drafting and trading…

Just my take, JSOS and Harry are non negotiable not to be traded…

The list needs to keep improving by identifying the right type of players required moving forward, on the run…

Why that one doesn't take criticism well kind of turn up when he feels well and other is a Son of a great not even half what he was a good player. JSOS would be traded in a heart beat if Miles Bergman choose Carlton and part of deal was JSOS and he approved with longer deal their. The problem would be Bergman getting double or triple that JSOS would get. Mark my Words every player is tradable lesser the unknown or players at retirement.

I would think only Wetering wouldn't be secondly Curnow if Mckay went or if Curnow Mckay wouldn't that why you recruit a Project like Lemmy give him time or else you go back in drfat getting another and waiting 3 years again to debut while your key Tall forward now 31 and has 1-5 years remaining depending on injury and form. Alex Jesaulenko was 37, Lance Franklin, Alastair Lynch, Tom Hawkins and Tony Lockett was 36, Matthew Pavlich, Adam Goodes, Josh Kennedy, Drew Petrie, Nick Riewoldt and Chris Grant was 35 and now Taylor Walker. Anthony Koutoufides, Stephen Kernahan, Stewart Loewe, Barry Hall , Sav Rocca and Jack Riewoldt, Matthew Richardson was 34.

Taylor Walker is 35, Jack Darling is 33, Tom Lynch turns 33, Jeremy Cameron is 32. Charlie Curnow is 28 hopefully make it to 36 Harry McKay is 27 will be 28 around Christmas in their Prime. Tall Forward come good around 24 very rare 21 none ever at 18 or 19 these days first year, Sam Darcy is 21. Harry Lemmey is 21 but wasn't like a Pick like Darcy

 

[King Cripps]

That one weakness (kicking)… Is quite important in the modern game and is what’s holding us back now. Mids with poor disposal that can’t connect with our forward line.

Unless they can improve their kicking, I don’t see them as an adequate replacement for Cripps and Hewett. They’d be depth.

IMO… Cerra, Walsh, Jagga & Lord are much better options.

 

[King Cripps]

I thought watching the game against the Bullants on the weekend that B Campos kicking was much improved

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Really harsh and unfair on the Camporeale brothers that you’ve focused on one weakness, and not mentioned their AFL qualities that can keep improving through games and development

The sport is sort of based around that weakness... 'Foot' 'ball'

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

25 tackles in his last 5 games

All 5 of his tackles last week came in the last quarter when the game was well and truly over and we were just playing for repeat stoppages in slow play.

Durdin had more impact on the game and he was only on for a half.

 

[Sector 7G]

Why that one doesn't take criticism well kind of turn up when he feels well and other is a Son of a great not even half what he was a good player. JSOS would be traded in a heart beat if Miles Bergman choose Carlton and part of deal was JSOS and he approved with longer deal their. The problem would be Bergman getting double or triple that JSOS would get. Mark my Words every player is tradable lesser the unknown or players at retirement.

I would think only Wetering wouldn't be secondly Curnow if Mckay went or if Curnow Mckay wouldn't that why you recruit a Project like Lemmy give him time or else you go back in drfat getting another and waiting 3 years again to debut while your key Tall forward now 31 and has 1-5 years remaining depending on injury and form. Alex Jesaulenko was 37, Lance Franklin, Alastair Lynch, Tom Hawkins and Tony Lockett was 36, Matthew Pavlich, Adam Goodes, Josh Kennedy, Drew Petrie, Nick Riewoldt and Chris Grant was 35 and now Taylor Walker. Anthony Koutoufides, Stephen Kernahan, Stewart Loewe, Barry Hall , Sav Rocca and Jack Riewoldt, Matthew Richardson was 34.

Taylor Walker is 35, Jack Darling is 33, Tom Lynch turns 33, Jeremy Cameron is 32. Charlie Curnow is 28 hopefully make it to 36 Harry McKay is 27 will be 28 around Christmas in their Prime. Tall Forward come good around 24 very rare 21 none ever at 18 or 19 these days first year, Sam Darcy is 21. Harry Lemmey is 21 but wasn't like a Pick like Darcy

When did Bergman become an A grader. Played a couple of good games. Is a B grade HB who has dabbled in the midfield. Last thing we need on our list is more HBs Already have 5 not in our firsts at the moment.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

When did Bergman become an A grader. Played a couple of good games. Is a B grade HB who has dabbled in the midfield. Last thing we need on our list is more HBs Already have 5 not in our firsts at the moment.

You'll soon find out. Just late to the party it seems.

Absolute gun in the making.

 

[JJBagger]

The sport is sort of based around that weakness... 'Foot' 'ball'

How does Bailey Smith go? Couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

How does Bailey Smith go? Couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat

B.Campo makes Smith look like prime Darren Jarman.

Love him as a prospect but his kicking will take a few years to fix up to an AFL standard imo. Once he does that we've got a seriously good inside ball winner who runs as hard as anyone both ways.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I don't

The old Captn Blood description fits him perfectly atm.
Good Ordinary Player.

He may develop into a star, even a superstar, but he's not there yet imo.

he's far from ordinary though.

he's a point of difference, but very offensively minded.

he gambles as lot, and goes for the mark almost 100% instead of spoiling. means he impacts, but also doesn't do much to quell the impact of his opponent.

attacking and unaccountable...not necessarily a bad thing (so was prime Dustin Martin).

 

[AndyLucimitis]

B.Campo makes Smith look like prime Darren Jarman.

Love him as a prospect but his kicking will take a few years to fix up to an AFL standard imo. Once he does that we've got a seriously good inside ball winner who runs as hard as anyone both ways.

I agree on his kicking - it looked worse in his draft footage so maybe improved a bit.

We've drafted him so is he a player we look at what he does to well versus what he can't.

I think he is an inside mid ball winner and accumulator. Seems to have an innate sense where the ball is going and gets first hands on the ball at stoppages. With a further pre-season he will be a bit of a bull.

Is this enough ?

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

All 5 of his tackles last week came in the last quarter when the game was well and truly over and we were just playing for repeat stoppages in slow play.

Durdin had more impact on the game and he was only on for a half.

Even so - laying 5 tackles in the last quarter of a game, played in the wet, when we were down rotations doesn't exactly scream lazy

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Even so - laying 5 tackles in the last quarter of a game, played in the wet, when we were down rotations doesn't exactly scream lazy

They were all sitting at the back of stoppage waiting for his opponent to pick up the ball practically stationary. A 3rds footballer can do the same.

If it were 5 tackles in open play where he had to close some distance of pin a moving target I'd be impressed but he was utterly useless for 3/4 of the game and average in the 4th when the game was well and truly over.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

he's far from ordinary though.

he's a point of difference, but very offensively minded.

he gambles as lot, and goes for the mark almost 100% instead of spoiling. means he impacts, but also doesn't do much to quell the impact of his opponent.

attacking and unaccountable...not necessarily a bad thing (so was prime Dustin Martin).

You see it all the time with midfields getting beaten yet midfielders being seen as having a good game.

 

[Chamber JJJ]

Yes especially bombing it to a key tall with 2 or 3 on him. The kicking to our Forward is horrendous especially as we call our midfielder elite it players like Cripps, Walsh, Cerra that should be lowing the eyes pinpointing to the best leading players or Tall Forward on the lead. It is pointless Midfielder getting 40 possession and handball taking chip kicks then bombing. Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

30

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

has won 5 Best And Fairest he is guilty watch him he handball more than he kicks. I don't think he would be in my best 22 i have seen since 1979.

I should do a best 23 vs a Second Best 23, I think Second Best will see the likes of Jacob Weitering

23

Jacob Weitering

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

4.7

3star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.3

3star

MG

189.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

16.8

4star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

0.8

3star

MG

263.4

4star

, Marc Murphy, Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

30

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

, Charlie Curnow

30

Charlie Curnow

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

. Heath Scotland

Heath Scotland

Age

45

Ht

182cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

9.2

5star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.4

3star

, Bryce Gibbs, Andrew Walker, Ryan Houilhan, Matthew Kreuzer

8

Matthew Kreuzer

Age

36

Ht

200cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.6

4star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

21.0

5star

D

1.0

1star

K

0.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

HO

7.0

5star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.8

4star

HO

9.8

5star

, Matthew Lappin

Matthew Lappin

Age

49

Ht

184cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

10.8

4star

HB

5.9

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

0.6

3star

, Lance Whitnall, Ed Curnow. Andrew Carrazzo, Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

, Sam Walsh

18

Sam Walsh

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

, Sam Docherty

15

Sam Docherty

Age

32

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

15.1

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

476.4

5star

D

22.6

5star

K

16.0

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

0.6

1star

MG

476.4

5star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

possibly Jarrad Waite

Jarrad Waite

Age

42

Ht

194cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.5

3star

M

5.8

5star

T

2.7

4star

G

1.5

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.4

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.6

3star

, Bret Thornton

Bret Thornton

Age

42

Ht

192cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.9

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.7

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

9.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

, Michael Jamison

Michael Jamison

Age

39

Ht

193cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.4

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.7

4star

MG

125.3

2star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

, Chris Yarran and Simon Beaumont

Simon Beaumont

Age

49

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.0

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.4

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

in it. Eddie Betts, Kade Simpson

6

Kade Simpson

Age

41

Ht

183cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

7.3

5star

M

5.7

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

409.0

5star

D

16.3

4star

K

11.9

5star

HB

4.4

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

0.8

1star

MG

258.6

4star

D

2.0

1star

K

1.2

1star

HB

0.8

1star

M

0.8

1star

T

1.6

4star

,Chris Judd and Brendan Fevola pushing for the best list. Zach Tuohy

2

Zach Tuohy

Age

35

Ht

187cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

18.9

4star

K

15.4

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.1

2star

CL

1.1

3star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

, Nick Newman, Jeff Garlett

Jeff Garlett

Age

36

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.1

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

8.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.0

4star

, Matthew Allan

Matthew Allan

Age

50

Ht

198cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

HO

16.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

5.6

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

1.4

2star

HO

2.0

5star

, Levi Casboult

30

Levi Casboult

Age

35

Ht

199cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.1

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.3

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.4

5star

and Dennis Armfield

Dennis Armfield

Age

38

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

12.6

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.4

3star

a chance in the Second list. Matt Clape, Ian Aitken, Michael Kennedy, Shane Robertson, Richard Dennis, Mark Naley, Warren McKenzie, Adrian Whitehead, Brad Pearce, Earl Spalding and Robbert Klomp all Premiership hero would be likely in second list same as Warren Jones. Ross Ditchburn, Mario Bortolotto and Scott Howell would be unlucky to miss out as they Premiership Hero especially Bortolotto in 2. Peter Bosustow 65 games could see him missing best 23. Premiership players like Matthew Hogg, Dean Rice, Glenn Manton would be likely early in Second team as well. Barry Armstrong 52 games. David Mckay 50 games, Greg Wells 43 games, Trevor Keogh 29 Games, Peter Jones 18 games and Alex Jesaulenko 16 games all great were ending all got One Premiership in that period so i wouldn't include them champions.


Stephen Kernahan, Craig Bradley, Stephen Silvagni, Peter Dean, Tom Alvin, David Glascott, Andrew Mckay

Andrew Mckay

Age

55

Ht

185cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

6.9

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

14.8

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.6

4star

, Michael Sexton, Brett Ratten

Brett Ratten

Age

54

Ht

184cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.4

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.0

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.4

5star

K

13.8

5star

HB

12.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

, Fraser Brown, Ken Hunter, Wayne Johnston, Mark Maclure, Peter Mcconville, Justin Madden, Bruce Doull, Wayne Harmes, Jim Buckley, Alex Marcou, Rod Ashman, Scott Camporeale

Scott Camporeale

Age

50

Ht

180cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

14.9

5star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.0

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

, Anthony Koutoufides

Anthony Koutoufides

Age

52

Ht

191cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.1

5star

K

11.3

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

20.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

, Greg Williams, Mil Hanna, Mike Fitzpatrick and David Rhys-Jones would all likely be Team 1. Ken Sheldon, Rod Austin, Paul Meldrum, Jon Dorotich, Ang Christou and Des English along with Val Perovic, Fraser Murphy and Phil Maylin all considered for team 1.

I think all those names mention could be a 69 List with Adam Saad

42

Adam Saad

Age

31

Ht

178cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.5

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

MG

349.1

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

12.0

5star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.4

3star

MG

388.3

5star

D

17.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.2

3star

, Nick Stevens, Matthew Kennedy, Lachie Henderson, Mitch Robinson

5

Mitch Robinson

Age

36

Ht

184cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

11.2

4star

HB

8.7

5star

M

4.1

4star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

15.8

4star

K

11.3

4star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.9

3star

CL

1.8

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.6

5star

, Brad Fisher

Brad Fisher

Age

41

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

9.6

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

7.0

5star

T

1.3

3star

G

1.5

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.8

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.6

5star

, Jordan Russell

Jordan Russell

Age

39

Ht

188cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.1

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.4

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.4

5star

, Darren Hulme

Darren Hulme

Age

48

Ht

175cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.2

2star

T

1.4

4star

, Simon Wiggins, Anthony Franchina

Anthony Franchina

Age

48

Ht

176cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

2.6

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

4star

, Aaron Hamill

Aaron Hamill

Age

48

Ht

184cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

5.5

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.4

3star

missing out and Tom De Koning

12

Tom De Koning

Age

26

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

for now.

​

​

 

[Milshouse]

That would be the worst 22 we’ve had since the dark old days. Our time is now before our stars retire.

Losing: (from your 22)
Cripps, Weitering, Saad, Haynes, McGovern, Docherty, Curnow, TDK, McKay, Silvagni, Williams, Newman & Hewett.

Cowan - talented (hasn’t shown he’s a best 22 lock yet)
HOF - one to be excited about
Carroll - talented (not an accumulator for the distributor role)
O.Hollands - getting better every week
Dean - projects well (never played a game)
Wilson - talented (struggles to accumulate for the distributor role - never played a game)
Walsh - AFL quality
Cerra - AFL quality
Binns - accumulator (poor kick)
E.Hollands - AFL quality (off-field issues)
Lemmey - growing into the role (never played a game - average aggression)
Moir - not up to AFL fitness
Motlop - lazy
Kemp - AFL quality
HOK - one to be excited about
Smith - one to be excited about
B.Camporeale - inside accumulator (turnover merchant) never played a game
L.Camporeale - outside (turnover merchant)
Lord - AFL quality (needs mid-field time)
Durdin - Average quality
Charleston - talented (not an accumulator for the distributor role)

Wasn't saying that's the team we will roll out, more that's the cards we have at the moment, for a post cripps Weitering ect. era. Plenty of development drafting and trading to happen in between
The idea was to see where people think we are thin or desperately lacking for the future

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Why that one doesn't take criticism well kind of turn up when he feels well and other is a Son of a great not even half what he was a good player. JSOS would be traded in a heart beat if Miles Bergman choose Carlton and part of deal was JSOS and he approved with longer deal their. The problem would be Bergman getting double or triple that JSOS would get. Mark my Words every player is tradable lesser the unknown or players at retirement.

I would think only Wetering wouldn't be secondly Curnow if Mckay went or if Curnow Mckay wouldn't that why you recruit a Project like Lemmy give him time or else you go back in drfat getting another and waiting 3 years again to debut while your key Tall forward now 31 and has 1-5 years remaining depending on injury and form. Alex Jesaulenko was 37, Lance Franklin, Alastair Lynch, Tom Hawkins and Tony Lockett was 36, Matthew Pavlich, Adam Goodes, Josh Kennedy, Drew Petrie, Nick Riewoldt and Chris Grant was 35 and now Taylor Walker. Anthony Koutoufides, Stephen Kernahan, Stewart Loewe, Barry Hall , Sav Rocca and Jack Riewoldt, Matthew Richardson was 34.

Taylor Walker is 35, Jack Darling is 33, Tom Lynch turns 33, Jeremy Cameron is 32. Charlie Curnow is 28 hopefully make it to 36 Harry McKay is 27 will be 28 around Christmas in their Prime. Tall Forward come good around 24 very rare 21 none ever at 18 or 19 these days first year, Sam Darcy is 21. Harry Lemmey is 21 but wasn't like a Pick like Darcy

That’s a very average comment about Harry and you obviously have NBI or empathy for his personal struggles & situation…

As far as Jack goes comparing him to his dad in that manner is another crap comment, its totally irrelevant and there’s no chance in hell the club would trade him in a heartbeat for Bergman…

I’m not sure you have an understanding of how difficult and important it is to have strong key position players at both ends of the ground to build a successful team and system around…

As far as the rest of your post, with all due respect, you have ventured off topic into a completely unrelated discussion…

I think we’ll leave it here, cheers

 

[Sector 7G]

You'll soon find out. Just late to the party it seems.

Absolute gun in the making.

96 game 23yr old (soon to be 24 ) that averages 18 possessions and 1 clearance a game. Would be a bigger gamble than punting on Zac Williams 5 yrs ago