Analysis Past Draft overview

[Donflicted]

Hi Guys,

i wanted to go through the past drafts this is not a we should of taken this guy over this guy this is more of a focus on all our 2nd and later round picks went as to me that's where it seems we have had a massive gaps in the past 5-6 years

as i have been thinking how many guys do we still have on our list (with a future) we picked up

As it seems to me a load of those guys are no longer on our list anymore

E.G in the 2022 Draft we took the below

2022 NATIONAL DRAFT

#5 Elijah Tsatas (Midfielder, Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro) - Still on the list isn't getting games rumors on being unhappy and may seek a trade i do see a future with him but we need to move on other guys e.g Parish just a quick update we are keen to keep him and are still bullish on him quite happy about that news
#25 Lewis Hayes (Key Defender, Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro) - Played one game and went down sadly looked like a best 22 player prior and i really do see him as a part of our best 22
#45 Alwyn Davey Jr (Midfielder/Forward, Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro) - Likely to be delisted this year
#54 Jayden Davey (Small Forward, Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro) - Delisted 0 Senior games

ROOKIE DRAFT

NGA – Anthony Munkara (Medium Forward, West Adelaide/Northern Territory) - Delisted 0 Senior games
#4 Rhett Montgomerie (Tall Defender, Central District/South Australia) - Delisted 0 Senior games

2021 National Draft selections:

#13 Ben Hobbs (GWV Rebels/Vic Country) - Played out of his role can only really be an inside mid will likely be moved on
#46 Alastair Lord (Norwood/South Australia) - Delisted 0 Senior games 1 if you count being a sub but never being subbed on
#50 Garrett McDonagh (Richmond VFL) - Delisted 0 Senior games

Rookie Draft selections:

#9 Patrick Voss (Oakleigh Chargers/Giants Academy) - Delisted 0 Senior games

2020 ESSENDON

National Draft:
#8 Nik Cox (Northern Knights/Vic Metro) - Sadly may retire due to concussion i still see a player here but could be taken out of our hands if his not forced to retire i still see attributes to work with
#9 Archie Perkins (Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro) - Inconsistent but has AFL attributes was really looking good at that HF role at the start of the year
#10 Zach Reid (Gippsland Power/Vic Country) - best of the crop we really need to do what we can to give this guy the best chance at getting his body right going forward
#39 Josh Eyre (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro) - Delisted 0 senior games
#53 Cody Brand (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro) - Delisted 0 senior games

Rookies: Martin Gleeson

8

Martin Gleeson

Age

31

Ht

191cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

MG

184.5

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

3.5

2star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

184.5

3star

D

17.0

5star

K

10.2

4star

HB

6.8

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

(Re-listed), Dylan Clarke

37

Dylan Clarke

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

6.1

2star

HB

8.8

5star

M

1.9

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

6.6

5star

CL

3.4

5star

(Re-listed) - were delisted at seasons end from memory

2019 ESSENDON:

National Draft:
30. Harrison Jones (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro) | 196cm | 78kg | Key Position Utility - Has had good patches as a KF hasnt been able to do consistent enough apologises i dont see him as a winger
38. Nick Bryan (Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro) | 202cm | 87kg | Ruck - Looked to really be at senior level sadly went down for the year with an ACL injury
56. Ned Cahill (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country) 179cm | 78kg | Small Forward - Did play senior games was delisted
63. Lachlan Johnson (Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro) 176cm | 74kg | Small Utility - Believe he had 0 senior games and was delisted



Rookie Draft:
10. Mitchell Hibberd

46

Mitchell Hibberd

Age

29

Ht

192cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

5.1

2star

HB

6.9

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

0.6

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.3

4star

M

1.3

1star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.4

3star

(Williamstown) | 191cm | 90kg | Inside Midfielder - Cant remember if he did play senior games but was delisted

I would love to be more in depth but i am at work currently so apologizes

People talk about our misses in the first round but i think our issues are as big in the second to later rounds if you look at the data above

 

[thebigboy]

Jeez, it really makes for some grim reading doesn't it?

What was the go with Montgomerie & McDonough? Both were mature-aged recruits and never got a look in. To pick guys who were in their early-mid 20's and not get a game is ridiculously bad drafting.

 

[Donflicted]

Jeez, it really makes for some grim reading doesn't it?

What was the go with Montgomerie & McDonough? Both were mature-aged recruits and never got a look in. To pick guys who were in their early-mid 20's and not get a game is ridiculously bad drafting.

Montgomerie had some good games in the VFL always felt he could make it at senior level as a serviceable player

Stiff he never got a chance

 

[dank420_]

sack dodoro

 

[Donflicted]

sack dodoro

x2 Sacked into his resume

 

[dalecooper]

makes it almost unbelievable we have managed to pick roberts, clarke, johnson, adw late, pretty much the only bit of hope i have left in this club

 

[Donflicted]

makes it almost unbelievable we have managed to pick roberts, clarke, johnson, adw late, pretty much the only bit of hope i have left in this club

Different List manager with a different approach to the draft does make a difference

 

[Yoda_]

Something that really sticks out is how much 'maturity' we tried. From mature agers like Hibberd, McDonagh, Montgomerie but then we re-listed Gleeson, Dylan Clarke

37

Dylan Clarke

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

6.1

2star

HB

8.8

5star

M

1.9

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

6.6

5star

CL

3.4

5star

etc.

Was a sad desperate attempt by the previous regime to build 'depth' that never worked.

This new world order has already shown a better understanding of traits required to be an AFL player

 

[ant555]

Something that really sticks out is how much 'maturity' we tried. From mature agers like Hibberd, McDonagh, Montgomerie but then we re-listed Gleeson, Dylan Clarke etc.

Was a sad desperate attempt by the previous regime to build 'depth' that never worked.

This new world order has already shown a better understanding of traits required to be an AFL player

You keep going on about this but our record with players in the 20-25 year old range is not even close to being in the worst clubs. Walla / Hibberd / Durham / Martin / McKenna / all very good picks. A few good average guys like Baguley and Snelling.

 

[Donflicted]

2018s Draft

Games played on the right all Delisted

National​	2​	38​	Irving Mosquito A​	​	4​
National​	4​	60​	Noah Gown​	​	0​
National​	5​	72​	Brayden Ham​	​	45​
Rookie​	1​	8​	Tom Jok​	​	1​
Rookie​	2​	25​	Matthew Dea​	​	0​

 

[Donflicted]

2017s Draft

Hit the nail with Guelfi and BZT was serviceable rest of them are delisted

National​	3​	49​	Jordan Houlahan​	​	0​
National​	4​	66​	Brandon Zerk-Thatcher​	Port Adelaide​	51​
National​	5​	76​	Matt Guelfi​	Essendon​	114​
Rookie​	1​	11​	Trent Mynott​	​	0​

 

[brutus76]

Burn the jackets

 

[Donflicted]

Burn the jackets

its more to show how far we are actually coming back from

We are gonna miss some but those rates are really really bad we pretty much missed an entire draft in 2018

 

[Atavistic]

The Dodoro Years. We got through them. It's a good thing they're finally over.

 

[dalecooper]

the sheer amount of guys he drafted that looked like never coming close to being a half decent afl footballer was outstanding

 

[Lore]

Donflicted looks like you’re using footywire data, draftguru probably a more useful source for your purposes

 

[SpeckieMcVeigh]

the sheer amount of guys he drafted that looked like never coming close to being a half decent afl footballer was outstanding

Even trying to miss on purpose, it would be hard to have as bad a record as Dodo

 

[joey_jo_jo]

its more to show how far we are actually coming back from

We are gonna miss some but those rates are really really bad we pretty much missed an entire draft in 2018

Crows are a good team to compare to. People were saying similar about their poor drafting last few years too, with some canny trading and patience with a couple of their young talls they've managed turn it around.

 

[Duckworth]

If I was a player I'd be hoping to come to Essendon. Always a heap of spuds around you to get delisted.

 

[Yoda_]

You keep going on about this but our record with players in the 20-25 year old range is not even close to being in the worst clubs. Walla / Hibberd / Durham / Martin / McKenna / all very good picks. A few good average guys like Baguley and Snelling.

While our hits have been Ben Howlett, Mark Baguley, good clubs took Tom Stewart, Luke Ryan

the mismanagement of the list that caused us to continually recycle guys like Clarke, Gleeson, Jake Long is as big an issue as the players we took

Completely amateur

 

[ant555]

While our hits have been Ben Howlett, Mark Baguley, good clubs took Tom Stewart, Luke Ryan

the mismanagement of the list that caused us to continually recycle guys like Clarke, Gleeson, Jake Long is as big an issue as the players we took

Completely amateur

Walla. Durham. Martin. Do the research instead of coming up with half baked theories. We may not be the best but we are not in the bottom 8 or 9 when it comes to mature recruits either. You keep banging on about Clarke and Gleeson but it was one season and Gleeson was actually a handy player. And why is age a factor in the rookie draft ? It really is not. Final results are and a good club like Geelong have had plenty of rookie drafts where they have wiped out and not found anything of any real value as well. You have to compare the full Rookie and SSP/Pre season draft results. Otherwise you are simply cherry picking stats. How is finding Draper and Visentini in a rookie draft not as good as finding a decent mature aged player ?

 

[Yoda_]

Walla. Durham. Martin. Do the research instead of coming up with half baked theories. We may not be the best but we are not in the bottom 8 or 9 when it comes to mature recruits either. You keep banging on about Clarke and Gleeson but it was one season and Gleeson was actually a handy player. And why is age a factor in the rookie draft ? It really is not. Final results are and a good club like Geelong have had plenty of rookie drafts where they have wiped out and not found anything of any real value as well. You have to compare the full Rookie and SSP/Pre season draft results. Otherwise you are simply cherry picking stats. How is finding Draper and Visentini in a rookie draft not as good as finding a decent mature aged player ?

It’s the piss poor list management from washed up and recycling junk we already have evidence on that frustrates me.

Big difference between Hawthorn downgrading Jack Gunston to its Rookie list and us downgrading Jake Long

Gleeson and Clarke in this timeline but the stupidity had been reoccurring for years prior

Lord Voldemort had been doing it since Anthony Long in 2011, Jay Neagle in 2010. Downgrading players we already knew were not up to it.

It was a reoccurring theme. Will give you one or two but that decade felt like one downgraded player a year.

 

[ant555]

It’s the piss poor list management from washed up and recycling junk we already have evidence on that frustrates me.

Big difference between Hawthorn downgrading Jack Gunston to its Rookie list and us downgrading Jake Long

Gleeson and Clarke in this timeline but the stupidity had been reoccurring for years prior

Lord Voldemort had been doing it since Anthony Long in 2011, Jay Neagle in 2010. Downgrading players we already knew were not up to it.

It was a reoccurring theme. Will give you one or two but that decade felt like one downgraded player a year.

Not backing Dodoro with anything more than being an average list manager who has put us in a world of hurt but you are cherry picking facts. You do know you are comparing rookie selections to Stewart who was pick 40 in a decent National Draft and not rookie selection. You are comparing water melons to apples.
It is not a major reason why we are where we are.The results of the ND posted above is the failure.
Going back further it is a failure to do what the successful clubs did and really nail at least 3 picks in a 3 or 4 year draft cycle that has made us middle of the road. Dodoro found some good players but it was never more than a couple in one draft and then three a couple of years on.
You go on about Stewart. What is the difference between finding a Stewart in the 40 to 50 range of a ND and finding Hooker in roughly the same draft range ?
Dodoro was average but it is the whole picture that has to be looked at.

 

[Yoda_]

I’ll let the comparison go between the Gleeson and the Stewart’s

My gripe has always been the recycling of players I’ve listed.

They were no good but poor (contracts and) list management meant Lord Voldemort continually wanted or needed to downgrade them and keep them on the list.

 

[ant555]

I’ll let the comparison go between the Gleeson and the Stewart’s

My gripe has always been the recycling of players I’ve listed.

They were no good but poor (contracts and) list management meant Lord Voldemort continually wanted or needed to downgrade them and keep them on the list.

Do the research. He was not alone as far as keeping average to poor player.
Gleeson was a good player. Just had a shocking injury run in the back half.