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[jwikked]

I have been saying Max King is overated his whole career. This isn't something I have come up with whilst he is injured. You really have to watch Max live to understand why.

He just doesn't have a competitive streak. He quite literally stops after 1 effort and is always gassed. His brother is exactly the same.

He also has poor forward craft. Just doesn't do basics well. Doesn't lead, just stands there like a statue asking the ball to be kicked on his head, despite being unable to outbody anybody. Its bizarre the way he plays, he just doesn't play to his strengths.

A fully fit King might be somewhere in the 10-15 range for best big forward in the comp. Good, but miles off the better guys.

We need to draft another forward. King will never be somebody we can rely on as he doesn't even offer consistency of effort.

Agree with all your points, but I’d like to see him play after a full preseason and about 15 games all the same.

I’m not quite ready to write him off, yet. He has had an incredibly interrupted few years. Wish he’d put more muscle on, gets thrown around in contests way too easily.

 

[saintbill]

Agree with all your points, but I’d like to see him play after a full preseason and about 15 games all the same.

I’m not quite ready to write him off, yet. He has had an incredibly interrupted few years. Wish he’d put more muscle on, gets thrown around in contests way too easily.

I think he can still play a role. I just think we need to move on from thinking he is a point of difference or advantage. Most clubs have somebody as good or better than King, some clubs have multiple forwards better.

We are going to need to add to our forward stocks even if King comes back and starts to improve.

 

[Geezington]

I’d trade Marshall in a heartbeat for a first, he’s not that great of a ruck he’s good around the ground all he does is hack kick it forward, keep moose Heath and hope Tony Dodson comes on

 

[PaythePerryman]

I believe that second round would be the maximum for Aleer based on his record to date at GWS.

Pick 15 finally finding his feet and form at the top level. He has looked really good over the last few weeks.
The amount of these guys that we end up just taking F2 for is insane. (Bruhn, Bobby, Caldwell, Peatling etc)
I think he will be really good for the Saints and deserves the game time and $$$.
If you can keep NAS and add a few young pieces the future looks bright.

 

[aidansbonor]

Throw 1.7 million at dodzilla

 

[StCicatriz]

Dodson tracking very nicely

 

[Verdun66]

Wasn’t that long ago we had a dearth of rucks. Now a glut. Not a bad thing, but not sure what we do with them all. Boyd delisted, Marshall traded? As much as I love Ro.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Collard for Gross work? What else do WCE have to trade?

 

[gubby88]

Collard for Gross work? What else do WCE have to trade?

Harley Reid

 

[Joffaboy]

Posted this in the Sandy thread

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Not taking credit as a few other pre season track watchers pre season we singing the praises of young Dodson. Not so much the rucking, but looked liked a highly skilled, balanced and intelligent footballer.

Am really getting concerned with the TDK offer, we could have a Xerri on our hands and could be lumbered with a high risk bust.

I would seriously reconsider the TDK offer. Could easily use the money on a salary dump for Oliver or Walsh and up the offer to NAZ by 500k a year for the next t two years.

Keep Marshall and allow Heath and Dodson to continue their development

I understand why they went for TDK, but we could really regret this in 3 or four years.
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I really think they need to reassess their position re the offer.

 

[stavro#4]

Hopefully it causes this kid to slide.

Talented key forward.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Posted this in the Sandy thread

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Not taking credit as a few other pre season track watchers pre season we singing the praises of young Dodson. Not so much the rucking, but looked liked a highly skilled, balanced and intelligent footballer.

Am really getting concerned with the TDK offer, we could have a Xerri on our hands and could be lumbered with a high risk bust.

I would seriously reconsider the TDK offer. Could easily use the money on a salary dump for Oliver or Walsh and up the offer to NAZ by 500k a year for the next t two years.

Keep Marshall and allow Heath and Dodson to continue their development

I understand why they went for TDK, but we could really regret this in 3 or four years.
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I really think they need to reassess their position re the offer.

just give the 1.7 to the dod

 

[akaifu]

Hopefully it causes this kid to slide.

Talented key forward.

Makes trading Marshall all the more appealing

 

[jimmytigs]

Hunter sub again

thoughts?

gone?

 

[_Maximus_12]

Hunter sub again

thoughts?

gone?

Signed a 2 year extension this year.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

that's the most worrying thing about signing a ruck that can only play in the ruck. 5 years on huge money for someone with zero versatility... I mean peak max gawn

11

Max Gawn

Age

33

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.6

5star

ok, but it's not like a mid or forward who can be used in other capacities, unless we think TDK can play full back (cos he doesn't seem much chop up forward)

 

[botts]

Hunter sub again

thoughts?

gone?

Never gonna really make it

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Never gonna really make it

if he could develop a tank he'd be a great 4th mid/utility, I'd love to know why he can't, was he born with micro lungs?

 

[stavro#4]

Posted this in the Sandy thread

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Not taking credit as a few other pre season track watchers pre season we singing the praises of young Dodson. Not so much the rucking, but looked liked a highly skilled, balanced and intelligent footballer.

Am really getting concerned with the TDK offer, we could have a Xerri on our hands and could be lumbered with a high risk bust.

I would seriously reconsider the TDK offer. Could easily use the money on a salary dump for Oliver or Walsh and up the offer to NAZ by 500k a year for the next t two years.

Keep Marshall and allow Heath and Dodson to continue their development

I understand why they went for TDK, but we could really regret this in 3 or four years.
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I really think they need to reassess their position re the offer.

And what if we lose Dod back to basketball?
TDK allows us to trade Rowan - if that’s the path they or he wants to go down.

We can’t be shortsighted for a 19 year old ruck. He will need a few years and we need to have a senior side winning games

 

[Joffaboy]

And what if we lose Dod back to basketball?
TDK allows us to trade Rowan - if that’s the path they or he wants to go down.

We can’t be shortsighted for a 19 year old ruck. He will need a few years and we need to have a senior side winning games

And if TDK plays like he is currently? And Dodson turns out to be the new Xerri, and then we are stuck with a Mackay situation but twice as costly and hampering us going forward.
The risk is incredibly high. Would rather keep Marshall for a couple of years and see if we can prize out a midfielder as a salary dump.
It is a high risk and the situation is rapidly changing. TDK looks a shadow of himself and Dodson is on the up. Heath getting a gig and Marshall contracted.
Reassess

 

[L_W_P]

it can mean all the top players from one position are all gone,as we found out last year

What did we miss out on last year? Mids?

Go read Travaglia's draft profile. His two biggest assets are his huge running capacity and his flexibility to play halfback, wing or MIDFIELD.

Our two best players with the ball are Naz & Sinc. One was drafted as a dreaded HBF, the other was a half forward.

Should we trade Pou for one of the mids taken ahead of him? Or is developing him into an on baller a better option?

Would you swap Tauru for Xavier Lindsay?

What about Murphy Reid? He's a small forward though isn't he? Or are you expecting Fremantle to develop his game so that he can rotate on ball?

I get that people have trauma from the Billings/Dunstan/Acres draft being followed by the Clark/Coff draft but the talent wasn't really the issue.

The people running the club failed to develop the talents those players had to the level required.

I would absolutely prefer we win more games, finish as high as we can, and sell the idea to players like Aleer, Florent, TDK etc that they could be the difference makers in getting us into the finals.

Way better than sticking to the bottom 4 and hoping we nail our single pick year on year.

 

[stavro#4]

And if TDK plays like he is currently? And Dodson turns out to be the new Xerri, and then we are stuck with a Mackay situation but twice as costly and hampering us going forward.
The risk is incredibly high. Would rather keep Marshall for a couple of years and see if we can prize out a midfielder as a salary dump.
It is a high risk and the situation is rapidly changing. TDK looks a shadow of himself and Dodson is on the up. Heath getting a gig and Marshall contracted.
Reassess

He is a 19 year old ruck who hasn’t played a single AFL game.

Even then, he needs time to develop. Ruck is the most physically dominant spot on the ground. Look at the best rucks - not a single baby. All mid 20s or older.

So by the end of that contract he would be ready to be the man

 

[L_W_P]

Posted this in the Sandy thread

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Not taking credit as a few other pre season track watchers pre season we singing the praises of young Dodson. Not so much the rucking, but looked liked a highly skilled, balanced and intelligent footballer.

Am really getting concerned with the TDK offer, we could have a Xerri on our hands and could be lumbered with a high risk bust.

I would seriously reconsider the TDK offer. Could easily use the money on a salary dump for Oliver or Walsh and up the offer to NAZ by 500k a year for the next t two years.

Keep Marshall and allow Heath and Dodson to continue their development

I understand why they went for TDK, but we could really regret this in 3 or four years.
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I really think they need to reassess their position re the offer.

Dodson is 2-3 years away from being AFL ready.

TDK will be 28-29ish and in his prime before Dodson is looking to start getting games. He will be 30+ before Dodson is making a claim at a #1 position.

Is it possible another club gives him an insane offer in that time? Sure.

More likely that we give Dodson a taste along the way, pay him a little extra to stay, and prime him to take over when he's 24-25 years old as TDK pushes into his 30s.

Either way, there's always rucks on the move. Plenty of clubs unearth decent rucks like Sweet at Port, Stanley at Geelong... Darcy Fort just won a flag FFS.

And you never know when a Goldstein/Grundy type might be out of favor.

Just this year we could see Freo, Adelaide, St Kilda, Carlton, Essendon & Geelong all bring in a new #1 ruck.

If Dod asks for a trade in 5 years because he's tired of waiting then I'm sure we will go and grab someone decent to help out TDK with the three-peat defence

 

[Holy Hunter Clark]

Hopefully it causes this kid to slide.

Talented key forward.

I hate when kids with talent get injured during their draft year. But if we end up with Pou jnr and/or Archie I won't complain one bit

 

[Ads734]

Dodson is 2-3 years away from being AFL ready.

TDK will be 28-29ish and in his prime before Dodson is looking to start getting games. He will be 30+ before Dodson is making a claim at a #1 position.

Is it possible another club gives him an insane offer in that time? Sure.

More likely that we give Dodson a taste along the way, pay him a little extra to stay, and prime him to take over when he's 24-25 years old as TDK pushes into his 30s.

Either way, there's always rucks on the move. Plenty of clubs unearth decent rucks like Sweet at Port, Stanley at Geelong... Darcy Fort just won a flag FFS.

And you never know when a Goldstein/Grundy type might be out of favor.

Just this year we could see Freo, Adelaide, St Kilda, Carlton, Essendon & Geelong all bring in a new #1 ruck.

If Dod asks for a trade in 5 years because he's tired of waiting then I'm sure we will go and grab someone decent to help out TDK with the three-peat defence

Honestly I don’t think he’s that far away. He’s as developed as any ruck. You have to be able to see what youlve got. It’s like Tauru and Pou, some times you can tell.