Grand Slam Wimbledon 2025

[YeoShuey]

So you are in favour of sports taking taking PEDS?

No. Never said that.

 

[AdelaideGT]

t's from the same sample 8 days part, which was at picogram level. Environmental clostebol dust from physio's table. You'd get more performance and anabolic benefit from a boiled egg.

The experts (ie those with more scientific/medical qualifications than any in this thread) say it's an enhancer and therefore banned.

 

[RCAB]

The experts (ie those with more scientific/medical qualifications than any in this thread) say it's an enhancer and therefore banned.

You're not an expert nowhere near it. You just repeated something without knowing nothing about it.

You can challenge what I claimed with actual scientific rebuttals, otherwise you're just looking like a fool here now.

 

[Aussie in exile]

So what? It's from the same sample 8 days part, which was at picogram level. Environmental clostebol dust from physio's table. You'd get more performance and anabolic benefit from a boiled egg.

Are you saying an opposition could contaminate an opponent's area with topical cream which has clostebol, and you be okay with the person getting banned just because they found one part per trillion? To give you an example, it's the equivalent of one drop in 20 Olympic sized swimming pools.

They say cheats never prosper, but he certainly has.
Getting only a 3 month ban for twice testing positive for drugs is a joke

 

[RCAB]

They say cheats never prosper, but he certainly has.
Getting only a 3 month ban for twice testing positive for drugs is a joke

You're just making stuff up and can't rebuttal any of my points, well done for showing you're completely clueless.

 

[Aussie in exile]

You're just making stuff up and can't rebuttal any of my points, well done for showing you're completely clueless.

Has Sinner twice tested positive for drugs?

 

[RCAB]

Has Sinner twice tested positive for drugs?

I've already explained it. Do you have aninability to understand it?

If you think a one trillionth dose from a cream bottle means someone “prospered from cheating,” then you probably think eating a Tic Tac makes you a diabetic.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I've already explained it. Do you have aninability to understand it?

If you think a one trillionth dose from a cream bottle means someone “prospered from cheating,” then you probably think eating a Tic Tac makes you a diabetic.

I think you the struggling to understand things.
The reality is he was tested positive for a banned drug.
He has twice been caught using banned drugs
I'm sure if you had kids and they took part in sport and lost to a drug cheat you wouldn't be so drug friendly.

 

[RCAB]

I think you the struggling to understand things.
The reality is he was tested positive for a banned drug.
He has twice been caught using banned drugs
I'm sure if you had kids and they took part in sport and lost to a drug cheat you wouldn't be so drug friendly.

No, I understand it just fine. You just keep repeating positive equal cheat like it's a magic phrase that overrides science.

Sinner didn’t use a banned drug he tested positive for trace clostebol from a topical spray his physio used, at one part per trillion. That’s not doping, that’s cross-contamination. Again why are you disputing this scientific fact?

Two tests 8 days apart with the same micro-trace doesn’t mean he used it twice. It means the same residue lingered which even WADA accepted.

And no, I don’t want kids losing to drug cheats. But I also don’t want them banned over molecule-level residue from someone else’s hands.

If your standard is any amount means cheat... then soap, handrails, or a physio’s towel could get someone banned.

Teaching kids that context, intent, and truth matter is more important than yelling “cheater” at science you don’t understand.

 

[YeoShuey]

I actually agree with RCAB on something

 

[Aussie in exile]

No, I understand it just fine. You just keep repeating positive equal cheat like it's a magic phrase that overrides science.

Sinner didn’t use a banned drug he tested positive for trace clostebol from a topical spray his physio used, at one part per trillion. That’s not doping, that’s cross-contamination. Again why are you disputing this scientific fact?

Two tests 8 days apart with the same micro-trace doesn’t mean he used it twice. It means the same residue lingered which even WADA accepted.

And no, I don’t want kids losing to drug cheats. But I also don’t want them banned over molecule-level residue from someone else’s hands.

If your standard is any amount means cheat... then soap, handrails, or a physio’s towel could get someone banned.

Teaching kids that context, intent, and truth matter is more important than yelling “cheater” at science you don’t understand.

I'm going to have to give up on you for your failure to understand the seriousness of what happened pre Wimbledon.
If you ever have kids you will understand what I'm saying and that I'm 100% right, if your kids ever lose to drug cheats

 

[Aussie in exile]

I actually agree with RCAB on something

Lets us all know if and when you have kids and they lose to drug cheats

 

[Jatz]

I'm going to have to give up on you for your failure to understand the seriousness of what happened pre Wimbledon.
If you ever have kids you will understand what I'm saying and that I'm 100% right, if your kids ever lose to drug cheats

I have kids and I still don’t agree with you.

Intent matters here and I don’t truly believe he had intent when you consider how low the substance appeared.

 

[RCAB]

I'm going to have to give up on you for your failure to understand the seriousness of what happened pre Wimbledon.
If you ever have kids you will understand what I'm saying and that I'm 100% right, if your kids ever lose to drug cheats

Give up all you like, just shows you're not up to debate science... But I'm going to continue.

BTW I do have kids. And frankly, Sinner is exactly the kind of athlete I want them to look up to.

He plays the game with elite speed, discipline, and focus. He’s shown incredible respect on and off the court, handles wins and losses with grace, and has never shown anything but sportsmanship and humility.

What happened pre-Wimbledon wasn’t doping. It was a trace-level environmental contamination 1 part per trillion from a physio’s topical spray. No performance advantage. No intent. No shady cover-up. He accepted a short ban to avoid dragging tennis through the mud for a year.

If your idea of protecting kids is labelling someone like Sinner a “drug cheat” then I’d SAY say you’re teaching them the wrong lesson.

 

[Xtreme]

I have kids and I still don’t agree with you.

Intent matters here and I don’t truly believe he had intent when you consider how low the substance appeared.

He's as guilty as Shappelle Corby
And the Bali 9

 

[AdelaideGT]

've already explained it.

The only thing you've explained is 'everyone else is wrong'...

 

[Aussie in exile]

Give up all you like, just shows you're not up to debate science... But I'm going to continue.

BTW I do have kids. And frankly, Sinner is exactly the kind of athlete I want them to look up to.

He plays the game with elite speed, discipline, and focus. He’s shown incredible respect on and off the court, handles wins and losses with grace, and has never shown anything but sportsmanship and humility.

What happened pre-Wimbledon wasn’t doping. It was a trace-level environmental contamination 1 part per trillion from a physio’s topical spray. No performance advantage. No intent. No shady cover-up. He accepted a short ban to avoid dragging tennis through the mud for a year.

If your idea of protecting kids is labelling someone like Sinner a “drug cheat” then I’d SAY say you’re teaching them the wrong lesson.

So you want your kids to look up to a drug cheat, and not a clean athlete who gets to the top of his profession by hard work and ability.

 

[RCAB]

The only thing you've explained is 'everyone else is wrong'...

You keep cutting my whole posts and completely ignoring the science. If your can't play with big boys then says so. Stop gaslighting

 

[RCAB]

So you want your kids to look up to a drug cheat, and not a clean athlete who gets to the top of his profession by hard work and ability.

I've already explained multiple times he's not a drug cheat. If you don't understand how the science works, you can always redo a refresher courses in biology or chemistry.

I prefer my kids to understand science and nuance rather than react to click-bait headlines.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I've already explained multiple times he's not a drug cheat. If you don't understand how the science works, you can always redo a refresher courses in biology or chemistry.

I prefer my kids to understand science and nuance rather than react to click-bait headlines.

He was caught twice. Of course he's a drug cheat.
If he wasn't why did he still get a ban?

 

[Aussie in exile]

The only thing you've explained is 'everyone else is wrong'...

I think we can safely say RCAB is in favour of athletes taking drugs

 

[RCAB]

He was caught twice. Of course he's a drug cheat.
If he wasn't why did he still get a ban?

I’m not in favour of athletes taking drugs. I’m in favour of people using their brain before calling someone a cheat over dust on a table.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I’m not in favour of athletes taking drugs. I’m in favour of people using their brain before calling someone a cheat over dust on a table.

So why did he receive a ban if in your eyes he did nothing wrong?

 

[RCAB]

So why did he receive a ban if in your eyes he did nothing wrong?

Because under WADA’s rules, intent doesn’t matter and the system is based on strict liability.

That means any detection, even at one part per trillion, is technically a violation, regardless of how it got there or whether it helped.

Sinner took the 3 month ban not because he was doping (really important that you understand this part) but because fighting it would have dragged on for months, damaged his career, and created unnecessary media chaos.

Even WADA and ITIA acknowledged it was environmental contamination, not deliberate use. That’s why he got the absolute minimum sanction, and kept his ranking and reputation intact.

He "accepted" a ban under the rules, but take Bortolotti example. He tested positive for clostebol and got zero ban because ITIA found no negligence. Sinner’s case was the same scientifically, but due to his stature and team involvement, WADA insisted on some accountability. That’s why he accepted 3 months, not because he was doping but he because he didn't want to drag it out. Just like getting fined for jaywalking doesn’t make you a criminal mastermind.

If you think he was cheating you have major issues Aussie in exile with comprehension, science and logic.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Because under WADA’s rules, intent doesn’t matter and the system is based on strict liability.

That means any detection, even at one part per trillion, is technically a violation, regardless of how it got there or whether it helped.

Sinner took the 3 month ban not because he was doping (really important that you understand this part) but because fighting it would have dragged on for months, damaged his career, and created unnecessary media chaos.

Even WADA and ITIA acknowledged it was environmental contamination, not deliberate use. That’s why he got the absolute minimum sanction, and kept his ranking and reputation intact.

He "accepted" a ban under the rules, but take Bortolotti example. He tested positive for clostebol and got zero ban because ITIA found no negligence. Sinner’s case was the same scientifically, but due to his stature and team involvement, WADA insisted on some accountability. That’s why he accepted 3 months, not because he was doping but he because he didn't want to drag it out. Just like getting fined for jaywalking doesn’t make you a criminal mastermind.

If you think he was cheating you have major issues Aussie in exile with comprehension, science and logic.

One rules for one another rule for others.

Tara Moore: British tennis player banned for four years for doping offence

British tennis player Tara Moore is banned for four years for a doping offence, despite being cleared by an independent tribunal 18 months ago.

www.bbc.com