Rumour Speculation, Rumours, Lies Thread 2025

[Scorpus]

Rumour Summary October 1st

• Adelaide expects a decision from Christian Petracca
  3

  Christian Petracca

  Age

  30

  Ht

  187cm

  Wt

  94kg

  Pos.

  M/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  19.4

  5star

  K

  9.5

  4star

  HB

  9.8

  5star

  M

  3.5

  4star

  T

  3.0

  5star

  CL

  2.5

  4star

  D

  24.4

  5star

  K

  10.4

  4star

  HB

  14.0

  5star

  M

  3.5

  3star

  T

  3.6

  4star

  CL

  3.4

  4star

  D

  19.0

  5star

  K

  7.8

  3star

  HB

  11.2

  5star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  CL

  2.0

  4star

  by Saturday, according to a poster (link)
• Christian Petracca's decision between Adelaide and Gold Coast is a 50/50, according to Tom Morris (link)
• Taylor Walker will sign a one-year contract extension, according to Josh Money (link)
• Adelaide have been working on the Petracca trade for months, compared to Gold Coast who have joined the race more recently, according to a poster (link)
• Christian Petracca is meeting with Gold Coast in person (link)

Rumour Summary October 2nd

• Melbourne are open to trading Clayton Oliver
  10

  Clayton Oliver

  Age

  28

  Ht

  189cm

  Wt

  88kg

  Pos.

  Mid

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  27.8

  5star

  K

  9.5

  4star

  HB

  18.4

  5star

  M

  3.2

  3star

  T

  6.3

  5star

  CL

  6.3

  5star

  D

  25.1

  5star

  K

  11.1

  4star

  HB

  14.0

  5star

  M

  3.6

  4star

  T

  5.6

  5star

  CL

  5.9

  5star

  D

  19.2

  5star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  14.6

  5star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  4.4

  5star

  CL

  3.8

  5star

  , according to Sam Edmund (link)
• Clayton Oliver expects to be told to explore his trade options, according to Tom Morris (link)

 

[pjcrows]

Port have been very good at getting deals done with bare minimum, but this one looks a stretch too far. Without trading out a top player they have literally nothing to satisfy StKilda with.

He will get there.

 

[Peter Doherty]

The Poo had first round picks in 2024 (Berry) & 2021 (Sinn) so haven't broken the 2-picks-in-4-years rule so should be able to trade their future '26 & '27 first round picks this up coming trade period.

Just that they then cant trade future picks in '26, '27, '28 & '29 trade periods (under that rule) if nothing changes.

Bit of a limp lettuce pumishment.

Sinn wouldn't count?

The rolling 4 year period would look like this, didn't they say that JHF counted as a 1st which is what allowed them to trade the 2025 first?

2025: -
2024: Berry
2023: -
2022: JHF apparently counts
--------------------------------
2021: Sinn

This now means they have to trade into the first round this year if they want to trade the '26 first.

 

[GrommoT]

Sinn wouldn't count?

The rolling 4 year period would look like this, didn't they say that JHF counted as a 1st which is what allowed them to trade the 2025 first?

2025: -
2024: Berry
2023: -
2022: JHF apparently counts
--------------------------------
2021: Sinn

This now means they have to trade into the first round this year if they want to trade the '26 first.

Why not? I don't reckon you can include this year's draft in that 2-in-4 rule since this upcoming trade period happens before the upcoming draft ..... that to me would be illogical.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Why not? I don't reckon you can include this year's draft in that 2-in-4 rule since this upcoming trade period happens before the upcoming draft ..... that to me would be illogical.

Did Power need permission to trade the first for Lukosius? My memory was it had to be approved, could be wrong.

 

[50BC]

The Poo had first round picks in 2024 (Berry) & 2021 (Sinn) so haven't broken the 2-picks-in-4-years rule so should be able to trade their future '26 & '27 first round picks this up coming trade period.

Just that they then cant trade future picks in '26, '27, '28 & '29 trade periods (under that rule) if nothing changes.

Bit of a limp lettuce pumishment.

First of all 21 to 26 covers a 6 year period. It's JHF(2022) and Berry(2024) that currently cover the 4 year period ending 2025. But JHF will expire after this year. So for 2023 to 2026 they will only have Berry(2024) and 2026 first. And No they can't trade 2026 out on a promise to trade one back in next year.

 

[Crow-eater]

Did Power need permission to trade the first for Lukosius? My memory was it had to be approved, could be wrong.

They didn't in the end because they traded in a first rounder for Houston. They would likely need to do the same again.

AFL CLEARANCE ON FUTURE TRADE​

PORT Adelaide would need AFL clearance to be able to part with its future first-round pick after Gold Coast forward Jack Lukosius nominated the Power as his preferred new home.

Under the AFL's future trading rules, clubs have to use two first-round picks at the draft over a rolling four-year period.

However a clause in the rule allows clubs to apply for permission to trade out their picks if they haven't met the two-in-four requirement.

The Power used first-round picks on Lachie Jones in 2020 and Josh Sinn in 2021 but over the past two years has focused on trade acquisitions, without any first-round picks in 2022, 2023 and having already traded out their 2024 first-round pick.

But the League's provision in the rule would likely open the availability to be able to trade the pick, given two of the Power's first-round picks were used in that period for the mega-trade deal that saw them land Jason Horne-Francis in 2022.

Given he was only one year into his career as a No.1 pick, it would be expected the AFL would allow it to count as a first-round draft addition and free up the future pick.

Another option that would allow Port to use its future first-round pick in any deal would be to acquire a first-round selection this year for Dan Houston, who is eyeing a trade to Victoria.

Lukosius has two years to run on his deal at the Suns but informed the club on Tuesday he was keen to join the Power. – Callum Twomey

Port to need AFL clearance, Cat to go on, future Pie on show

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

 

[50BC]

He will get there.

He may, it will just involve player(s) going out of Port.
They did shop Butters around last year, they may be even keener to do so this year before free agency. Alternatively they might have a couple players they think might get 2nd rounders, then they could bundle several 2nd rounders up and trade them on to for example to gold coast who have 3 first rounders but would like multiple 2nd rounders to cover all their academy picks this year.
So complicated but possible, and involving losing players.

 

[Peter Doherty]

They didn't in the end because they traded in a first rounder for Houston. They would likely need to do the same again.

AFL CLEARANCE ON FUTURE TRADE​

PORT Adelaide would need AFL clearance to be able to part with its future first-round pick after Gold Coast forward Jack Lukosius nominated the Power as his preferred new home.

Under the AFL's future trading rules, clubs have to use two first-round picks at the draft over a rolling four-year period.

However a clause in the rule allows clubs to apply for permission to trade out their picks if they haven't met the two-in-four requirement.

The Power used first-round picks on Lachie Jones in 2020 and Josh Sinn in 2021 but over the past two years has focused on trade acquisitions, without any first-round picks in 2022, 2023 and having already traded out their 2024 first-round pick.

But the League's provision in the rule would likely open the availability to be able to trade the pick, given two of the Power's first-round picks were used in that period for the mega-trade deal that saw them land Jason Horne-Francis in 2022.

Given he was only one year into his career as a No.1 pick, it would be expected the AFL would allow it to count as a first-round draft addition and free up the future pick.

Another option that would allow Port to use its future first-round pick in any deal would be to acquire a first-round selection this year for Dan Houston, who is eyeing a trade to Victoria.

Lukosius has two years to run on his deal at the Suns but informed the club on Tuesday he was keen to join the Power. – Callum Twomey

Port to need AFL clearance, Cat to go on, future Pie on show

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

Thank you. So Sinn definitely does not count.

 

[Pea Nut]

Do St Kilda have any highly paid, dogshit players that they'd love to get off the books?

Jack Steele has 2 more years on a contract. Not quite dogshit levels yet, but the game has moved past him. Surprisingly though he’s not even 30 yet.

 

[1970crow]

Want nothing to do with a bloke who is not interested in playing finals football in a Premiership contending team !

"Avoid at all costs signs " all over this bloke on that point alone !

St Kilda are at least 6/7 years away & Port have to rebuild & will require years of hard draft work !

Let them offer him over $1.2 to $1.5 per year for 5 to 7 years.

Grant Thomas isn't a fan either !

“Avoid at all costs” a bloke that apparently doesn’t want a bar of us? In the Seinfeld routine, it’s us, not him, we’re desperate to get him. And Port have been around the mark the last few years, Pies missed finals last year. Selling a potential contending period with him and their midfield wouldn’t be too hard. What’s your view on the players that came to us off a 15th placed finish and 7 years out of finals? And those prior?

 

[1970crow]

Gee, I hope the price isn't right
He's had a pretty average couple of years now.
I think it would be hard for him to get back to his best.
And his disposal is very ordinary

If. If. If. If he can return to his best form for 2 years it could get us close to a couple of flags for us. Price matters, particularly draft picks, don’t want another Gibbs debacle. I’m not fussed about his average disposal by foot though. If it’s a choice between Crouch’s very accurate but slow disposal going sideways and Clarry bursting through the front of a stoppage and getting the ball quickly to a 1 on 1 forward contest, it’s Clarry by a mile. All we need is the ball to advantage side and let the boys do the rest.

The current version I’m not fussed about. But at a salary dump trade price I’m getting interested.

 

[1970crow]

Both Port, their players and potentially NWM would think they're in a very good position to bounce back next year and be a serious finals contender, I'm sure of it.

It’s not even whether they look like they can bounce back in 2026. He’s making a 10 year decision. It’s pointless factoring in the current season performance of any club. Will he totally different in 5 years time.

 

[1970crow]

A midfield of Rozee, JHF, NWM, Bergman and Butters is absolutely elite.
Granted there’s not much else (Georgiatis and Luko are OK), but that midfield makes them a chance in any game.

Marshall has played some good footy when fit. Their defence is a bit wobbly, but you don’t need elite talent to cobble together something that functions. Our primary group has a pick 11, pick 17, pick 28 and the rest from rookies drafts. And now that our midfield spreads better, they’re a pretty bloody good group.

 

[1970crow]

I’ve heard Draper is basically a done deal to Brisbane. Which I thought very surprising. Seemed like they were late comers to showing interest in him.

They’re not put off by season ending injuries.

 

[spenze]

I’ve heard Draper is basically a done deal to Brisbane. Which I thought very surprising. Seemed like they were late comers to showing interest in him.

It (Draper to Brisbane) has been around for a while, it does make me wonder what we are actually up to because we haven't seemed to move on our offer to Rob, which if Draper was our primary target, you'd think we'd be shoring up our current ruck stocks now.

 

[Amacca 23]

They’re not put off by season ending injuries.

God i hope he is off to Brisbane

 

[Amacca 23]

It (Draper to Brisbane) has been around for a while, it does make me wonder what we are actually up to because we haven't seemed to move on our offer to Rob, which if Draper was our primary target, you'd think we'd be shoring up our current ruck stocks now.

Could it be Rowan Marshall and Henry Smith?

 

[1970crow]

There's no bad blood between NWM and the Saints, I think he will stay if Port Power can't do the trade.

Seems he’s in the Rankine boat. Pay up yo get it done, but if you can’t, I’m happy to stay a bit longer. Shame, would be nice to get him, even if for 2 years whilst Port get back to having viable picks. We could even put an out clause in his contract.

 

[1970crow]

NWM will get to Port. Its looking more likely every day.

A young indigenous player wants to return home to be close to his family. The Saints will have to take unders.

Saints won’t give a crap that’s he’s indigenous. They will care that he’s young, because that is related to trade value.

 

[1970crow]

I agree with you.

Some talk about him having to go to the draft but the AFL will make sure it happens.

The AFL won’t do sh!t except for granting a Port request to trade their next 2 future firsts.

 

[spenze]

Could it be Rowan Marshall and Henry Smith?

Who knows, I could be reading things into it that aren't there but either the rumours about Draper to Brisbane or staying are far off and we are getting Draper (which from a logic point of view seems more likely) because if we aren't getting him, you'd think we would have locked up Rob by now. If the difference in the offer is he wants another year, surely we'd just go the trigger clause (stop tapping to the opposition mids, stay out of the F50, that sort of thing) to get the extra year and signature.

 

[spenze]

Seems he’s in the Rankine boat. Pay up yo get it done, but if you can’t, I’m happy to stay a bit longer. Shame, would be nice to get him, even if for 2 years whilst Port get back to having viable picks. We could even put an out clause in his contract.

Trade him for no more than a second rounder clause?

 

[1970crow]

Well can't blame Essendon for asking the question, it's apparent to everyone their fitness preparation is in diabolical trouble.

Burton’s available. Seriously though, you have to have a crap rep to not get re-treaded in the AFL industry. Fagan too, what a debacle.

 

[Mutineer]

Port had better start stocking up on 1st round picks because they look to have some absolute top draftees inthe next couple of years via F/S's and NGA's Louis Salopek, Tevita Rodan (F/S) and Zemes Pilot and Dougie Cochrane now seems a done deal as well. All look to be 1st rounders at this stage.

 

[1970crow]

The Poo had first round picks in 2024 (Berry) & 2021 (Sinn) so haven't broken the 2-picks-in-4-years rule so should be able to trade their future '26 & '27 first round picks this up coming trade period.

Just that they then cant trade future picks in '26, '27, '28 & '29 trade periods (under that rule) if nothing changes.

Bit of a limp lettuce pumishment.

Admit I haven’t taken any interest in this rule, but if it’s 2 in a 4 year rolling period, you sure they can trade both 26 and 27? 2021 would be irrelevant. If they’re trading 2027, surely the relevant years are 2024, 2025, 2026 and 2027. They’d need 1 to add to 2024.