Autopsy Overrun by GWS

[The King!]

To be fair Roberts was dropped to sub about a month back. He was just brought back prematurely.

IMO Cox isn't overly convinced on a lot of the players in the VFL, and maybe that is fair given their performances, but we are also carrying passengers nearly every week and it tends to usually be the same 2-3 guys, all flankers.

If we're gonna have passengers - at this stage, finals out of the picture and only a month left to play - then I'd rather them be some of the kids.

let me just make flippant comments geez

 

[bedford]

The shallow entries was my big issue when watching the game. It was soo noticeable & I'm dumbfounded we didn't adjust.

Our fwd 50 structure was non existent, as highlighted by our deep entry also resulting in an outnumber to gws. Where were our players?

Shallow . i used to walk through them

 

[bedford]

Mick Mcguanne though says Roberts is good

As ordinary as Robbo was with due respect i will go by Micks thoughts

 

[kickthething]

Had an incredible 6 turnovers in the 3rd quarter. Just completely panicked every time he got the ball.

If you watch the first 5 minutes of the third you will see how his turnovers gifted momentum to the Giantsand realky gave them the spark.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Figured I was up for some masochism so am rewatching the 3rd quarter now just to see what happened.

After McInerney's goal in the third quarter (our last of the game), it's 56-29.

Then we get:

- Roberts kicks to an outnumbered Chad in our forward line which is easily nullified by the Giants defenders and handballed out of their F50 under zero pressure. Giants player stuffs up the kick through the centre of the ground and there's a chance for a turnover but Rampe fumbles the ball twice (!). Gulden gets the groundball but is tackled for holding the ball. Giants hit a leading Cadman. Goal number one. 56-35.

- Some scrappy play at our forward 50 arc but eventually comes out to Roberts back in the centre square, who could have handballed to Mills or kicked sideways out to Melican on the wing. Instead kicks a shocking dump kick 20m to the top of the 50m arc where there are four Giants players and one Swan. Greene marks it, Giants transition through the wing, leading to a forward 50 stoppage for the Giants. Roberts eventually gets the ball from the clearance, and promptly kicks it out on the full. No goal from this passage of play but wanted to highlight it because seriously Roberts.

- Score is 56-36 at this point, with 13 minutes left. Rampe gets the ball on the wing, kicks to the top of the 50m arc where it's cut off by the Giants, who rebound with handballs to the centre. Callaghan kicks to the advantage of Stringer in a one on one against Mills and marks and goals. Not much Mills could do here. Goal number two. 56-42.

- We get a messy centre clearance to the 50m arc which is killed in the air by the Giants who transition quickly on the wing. Cadman takes a contested mark, kicks to Hogan in the pocket and Hamling gives away the free (he did pull down the arm). Hogan misses but we stuff up defending on the goal line and Greene gets the tap down and goals. 56-48.

Need to stop here because at this point the Giants have scored 3 in a row and 5 of the last 6. What's becoming clear now is they are running in waves when we turn the ball over at the 50m arc. Everyone one of those passages of four passages of play I've mentioned came from a turn over from a shallow F50 entry. At this point we should have gone into slow down mode and tried to play through the pockets and force F50 stoppages. Instead....

- Out of the very next centre clearance, Gulden tries to pinpoint a pass to the true CHF position, at a leading Angus Sheldrick. Giants easily spoil back into the centre of the ground and there's a couple of repeat stoppages. We win the clearance, Rowbottom does a left foot dump kick to the top of the 50, Papley is out of position. Giants try to transition up the wing and we actually cause a turnover and get it back. Hooray. Then our old friend Matt Roberts gets the ball, and what does he do? I'll give you one guess. If you said "panic kick to Papley in a 2:1 outnumber" you'd be correct. Bonus point for adding where Papley was on the ground - the top of the 50m arc! Sheldrick misses a tackle, and the Giants do their handballing wave through the centre of the ground. Now they stuff up the I50 and Mills gets a mark, but shows we're not trying to change our play at all despite the huge momentum. Don't kick the ball to the top of the 50m arc!

- Mills kicks to a contest on the wing which we didn't compete against very well and Giants get a contested mark. Ball comes straight back in, Bedford gets a technically correct but pretty soft high free and goals. 56-54.

Giants have now kicked 4 in a row, and 6 of the last 7. Note at this point, centre clearances for the quarter at 7-0, and total clearances are 10-3, both to our advantage. We're winning first use.

- Couple of minutes later. Campbell has the ball outside the 50 on the left hand side after a good intercept turnover. The good news? He doesn't kick to the top of the 50m arc. The bad news? The Giants have six players in our forward 50, against our two. Campbell actually does have the option of kicking a short one to Buller in the pocket who could have killed it out of bounds and got us a F50 stoppage. Instead, he kicks to Hayward at the top of the goal square who is easily outmarked by Sam Taylor. Taylor immediately handballs and the Giants are off. We completely fail to defend a switch, and the Giants get another I50. We defend it well, and Blakey gets the ball. Kicks to 2:1. Buller gives away a free. Giants get a scrappy I50, where we actually win the ball back again after a stoppage. And then Rampe kicks it out on the full. Bedford kicks the goal. 56-60, 5:13 minutes left.

- Giants win the clearance from a repeat stoppage after the bounce. Green gets a flukey pass to Himmelberg who launches it from outside 50. Can't say we did anything wrong here - but it's the exact kind of goal the opposition seems to get when they've got all the momentum and will miss any other time (see Hipwood in the GF last year). 56-66.

- Giants get the next centre clearance, Hogan takes a mark on the 50. We don't defend the run past and he is able to handball and Ash bombs it through. 56-72.

- Giants win another centre clearance. Scrappy inside 50, where Stringer pulls out a ridiculous snap. 56-78, 3:19 on the clock.

Giants have now kicked 4 goals in less than 2 minutes of game time. They've kicked 3 goals in a row either directly from centre bounces, or from a repeat stoppage at the centre bounce. This is the problem of momentum. It's clear at this point we are completely shot. Giants players getting all kinds of space. That 4 goal run is where we lose, but that 4 goal run doesn't happen if we actually try and go into a shutdown mode when they've kicked the initial 3 that started the whole thing.

The quarter ends with Chad's terrible F50 entry and Heeney fumbling around unable to pick up the ball and snap. Melican gives away the dumb free kick within a minute of the fourth quarter, we're down 30 points and it's all over.

Final thoughts:

- Just some really dumb play in the first half of that quarter. We absolutely opened the door to get them back in that game. The burst of goals from centre bounces was bad, but it doesn't happen unless we let them in through terrible, shallow entries into the F50 that easily get turned over and we get smashed on the handball transition. It's like, number one thing when playing the Giants, don't let them rebound from CHB with handballs. We played right into it.

- We have no ability to handball out of the D50. Means when under pressure our kicks are rushed and easily intercepted.

- Roberts' disposal under any sort of pressure, real or perceived, is brutal. Him getting the ball as often as he does is actually detrimental to how we play.

Superb observation. Any team making shallow F50 entries with high balls are on a hiding to nothing. The smart play is to move the ball sideways or backwards until you can get people in position for a deeper and more effective entry. Use the width of the field. We panicked.

 

[bedford]

Superb observation. Any team making shallow F50 entries with high balls are on a hiding to nothing. The smart play is to move the ball sideways or backwards until you can get people in position for a deeper and more effective entry. Use the width of the field. We panicked.

Not you with shallow as well sadly

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

Not you with shallow as well sadly

Lacked depth ?

 

[bedford]

Lacked depth ?

That's a short kick , the throw in was short
The bullshit wank term territory has now disappeared , Whateley is about the worst trying to out smart other , a contest in the middle is a skirmish

 

[ashep]

Not you with shallow as well sadly

Did you happen to give Paps' podcast a listen today?

 

[Adnico26Parker]

More trouble for Toby?

 

[TheGoatBaron]

More trouble for Toby?

He’s a grub

 

[Dubai Quacker]

SBD Gonzalez was correct.
Dubai Quacker now looks like a right buffoon.

 

[Kiama Chris]

More trouble for Toby?

One can only hope.

 

[ashep]

More trouble for Toby?

What a grub. Laughable for anyone to suggest his "leadership" is what we need.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

What a piece of shit. Laughable for anyone to suggest his pathetic excuse for "leadership" is what we need.

Would rather JUH. Least we can change him for the better off-field.

 

[Ticky009]

Makes you wonder how many other players he's done that too and not been picked up on.

 

[ashep]

Dropping an elbow on Heeney - while still inexcusable - is at least in the context of the contest.

That right there is downright disgraceful in every way.

 

[Ticky009]

Can anyone find the crowd figure for our match? AFL Website still has TBC

 

[Neverwas]

Dropping an elbow on Heeney - while still inexcusable - is at least in the context of the contest.

That right there is downright disgraceful in every way.

The dropping of the elbow was not in the context of the contest. It was totally premeditated.

 

[The King!]

Can anyone find the crowd figure for our match? AFL Website still has TBC

18,536 according to AFL tables

 

[TheGoatBaron]

18,536 according to AFL tables

Poor effort unable to get over 20k for a derby

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Can anyone find the crowd figure for our match? AFL Website still has TBC

There's a bit of a dispute.

The AFL came up with 18,000.

GWS is claiming it was 1.26 million.

 

[Ticky009]

18,536 according to AFL tables

Far out - we cracked 31k against Norf!

 

[The King!]

Dropping an elbow on Heeney - while still inexcusable - is at least in the context of the contest.

That right there is downright disgraceful in every way.

Odd considering they are mates, it’s not the same as bit of banter or a bump in a contest, just dumb

 

[bedford]

Odd considering they are mates, it’s not the same as bit of banter or a bump in a contest, just dumb

Have you not seen what he did to Rampe which has been picked up tonight , back kicked him in the groin just after the start