List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[Sully111]

1. If he was going in 2 years and we knew that. I’d trade him now. You are going to get less than his value at both events. But we know what his value is now and we have to factor in it might not be higher in 2 years. We also get 2 years of development into whatever we get for him and cap space to attract a free agent or unsettled stars in 26.

2. If we don’t know, I’m negotiating a fair deal and giving ourselves room to move in negotiations in 2 years. Because if you have a $2m a season deal now - there is no way a 24 year old superstar is taking less then that in 2 years.


3. Give him $2m a season and build in Tv right deal increases… give us a 10 years.

with number 2... you didn't answer the question. I'm not talking about negotiating other deals. I'm saying if that was the deal or he leaves now. 2 years... 2 mil... you don't now if he'll stay or leave at the end of it... would you do it

 

[stavro#4]

If we are playing finals and look good it attracts other players wanting in. Even if he leaves we have created a perception of momentum. Playing bottom 4 footy for a couple of more years with no Nas is such a bleak concept that it's depressing to contemplate.

I’d argue anyone looking at us wants to play with Nas.

So I’m putting to you, what if he leaves regardless in 2 years. Is it still on sos Ross the club etc?

 

[Desperate saint]

And Riewoldt only came close to bringing us success because he had fisher Hayes Dal Ball Kosi BJ Joey Milney etc.

Before that it was Plugger and for the most part it was plugger and 1 or 2 more and we got nowhere.

You have to keep building a side alongside nas. Hence TDK and Aleer. Soon it’s going to be pay time on Tauru. Trav. Wilson.

It’s not all about just keeping Nas happy. We need to keep everyone else we considering part of this future and simultaneously adding to it and the second part is the part that costs the absolute most to do

we lost Plugger all the same arguments were had- and 2 years later we played off-we had a top 5 with Plugger Buckets Nicky W Burke and Harvey in the early mid 90s and played off in finals twice it is about TEAM that wins GFs

 

[gringo2011]

Getting JSOS doesnt solve our issues at full back. I doubt Wilkie + Tauru + JSOS can play in the same defence without an Aleer/Howard/Cordy/FB type locking away the opposition #1 forward

And even if that trio does work, we still won't have a long-term solution

Aleer isn't really a true KPB either. It looks like we are going nimble rather than bulky. I think you can probably find a state league tall stopper anyway.

 

[gringo2011]

I’d argue anyone looking at us wants to play with Nas.

So I’m putting to you, what if he leaves regardless in 2 years. Is it still on sos Ross the club etc?

Depends what they have done to improve on field and to keep him invested. It's like asking me to tell the future.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Has anyone got any real updates or is it just 100s of pages of tit for tat?

The latter.

 

[StFly]

Hey , say what you want mate but don't go blaming the the poor bin chicken ok,

I don't, if that's how it went it did gods work and can scavenge as many bins as it pleases.

 

[stavro#4]

with number 2... you didn't answer the question. I'm not talking about negotiating other deals. I'm saying if that was the deal or he leaves now. 2 years... 2 mil... you don't now if he'll stay or leave at the end of it... would you do it

No i wouldn’t.

He would have to meet with us on middle ground.

Whatever we will offer is still more money than he will make on average on those SA deals.

 

[akaifu]

Aleer isn't really a true KPB either. It looks like we are going nimble rather than bulky. I think you can probably find a state league tall stopper anyway.

The good thing is IF Aleer can't match it as a true full back, he has the versatility to play CHB/3rd tall/even lockdown small

I agree though, even though we are getting Aleer, I'd like to also get a James Blanck type to play as backup and potentially transition into best 22 if we're lucky

Then we can go with Blanck Aleer Wilkie as a back 3 with Tauru playing forward

 

[phantom13]

Depends what they have done to improve on field and to keep him invested. It's like asking me to tell the future.

This is a you problem, stav CAN see the future he knows all.

 

[stavro#4]

This is a you problem, stav CAN see the future he knows all.

Weren’t you the one saying nas would take less on his next deal because he knows we did him a solid today and gave him $2m


Sounds awfully like you were telling us the future.

 

[Joffaboy]

You gimps cheered at signing a broken down Max King on massive money but when we finally find an elite talent after 20 years you all want to low ball him out the door because he might want more money one day. If he doesn't sign a long term contract it might end up an advantage if he breaks down.

Don't know if you are being purposely stupid, but have consistently said pay him 2 mill x 2 and worry about it in 2027.

But introduce Max King into the argument for no reason. You should really stop while you are behind. You can't grasp a simple concept. Hope someone does your taxes for you as you seem to be financially illiterate.

 

[phantom13]

Weren’t you the one saying nas would take less on his next deal because he knows we did he a solid today and gave him $2m


Sounds awfully like you were telling us the future.

No, i said if were any good we try that (which is a pretty tried and true method for premiserhip contenders) and if were not we trade him for more value. Its either a reading or comprehension issue with you.

Youve got one lone soldier defending your position and literally everyone else thinks youre wrong. Maybe ponder on that... or dont, i cgaf.

 

[stavro#4]

Depends what they have done to improve on field and to keep him invested. It's like asking me to tell the future.

We already can see what they are doing. Putting TDK & Aleer in the side.

Willing to go after further players.

The building of this side is already occurring. That’s not essentially stopping Nas from leaving.

 

[gringo2011]

we lost Plugger all the same arguments were had- and 2 years later we played off-we had a top 5 with Plugger Buckets Nicky W Burke and Harvey in the early mid 90s and played off in finals twice it is about TEAM that wins GFs

But the bulk of that list was building already. It's not of any relevance to this list. It's correlation versus causation. It could easily be argued the other way that losing Plugger cost us the 97 grand final.

 

[Sully111]

No i wouldn’t.

He would have to meet with us on middle ground.

Whatever we will offer is still more money than he will make on average on those SA deals.

Fair enough... on both counts

I think (and I could be wrong) most would disagree with you. That doesn't make them stupid.

I think most (and again, I could be wrong) would absolutely be hoping that a better deal for the club both in terms of years and money could be struck, but if push came to shove, we'd do that deal, hoping he'd stay at the end of the contract.

Nas's price has skyrocketed over the last few months. That's an unfortunate (in some ways) reality.

I wonder if we're in this position because we didn't bite the bullet earlier and offer him something like 1.4 and 8 years back in April, or if he would have waited til year's end at the advice of his manager anyway. I doubt we'll ever know.

I also believe the money we've been throwing around isn't without consequence.

 

[Fluttz]

Long time lurker of the Saints board, but I feel like losing NAS now would have greater financial implications on the footy club as a business opposed to paying him possibly 2m to stay for another 2 years. He is the type of footballer we have been screaming for, for years. The club needs to do everything they can to keep him

 

[HeavenlySources]

What does Terry do at Port?

Pay him double for a remote wfh job to stay in Adl. Seek.com brand ambassador.

 

[Captain Paddy]

So my point that a long term commitment + a lot of money for the player is the right way to go.

As opposed to a 2 year commitment and lots of money to the player.

2 Year commitment and lots of money

Or no year commitment and no money

Mmmm this is a tough one Ed, I think I'll phone a friend

 

[SainterinSydney]

No I clearly said I don’t.

But people are sorely mistaken if they think losing nas in 2027 is better than losing him in 2025.

It sets us back significantly more in 2 years.

The only people that are satisfied in this reality are those that just want to watch nas play football. That’s an emotional attachment.

That’s not the reality of the business side of things.

I think everyone here is in agreement that they want Nas to stay.

I also think the way Nas has been pumped up in the media after that game means we have to sign him--the fallout on the club if he leaves would be incomprehensible. Let's hope he does right by the club and signs for longer than 2 years.

I also understand what Stav is saying. I just think we are unfortunately now in a Catch 22 and just have to do whatever we can to sign him.

 

[stavro#4]

No, i said if were any good we try that (which is a pretty tried and true method for premiserhip contenders) and if were not we trade him for more value. Its either a reading or comprehension issue with you.

Youve got one lone soldier defending your position and literally everyone else thinks youre wrong. Maybe ponder on that... or dont, i cgaf.

The reality is that I’m not the only one holding this position.

You literally had a crack at me about seeing the future and then proclaim it’s a tried and true method for premiership contenders- truth is, we might be. We might not be through no fault of trying. We might be contenders in 28 or 29. There is absolutely no method to predict when we will be. The only tried and true method is to lockdown your best pieces for the long term and build around them. This short term stuff makes it very hard to build anything considering that you talk to opposition players about joining well in advanced of that point.

Lastly, I’ve had a number of people reach out to support me and advise you’re a muppet. They just don’t want to get involved with you and that’s fine. Only a muppet would think I’m the only person of this view.

 

[akaifu]

I think everyone here is in agreement that they want Nas to stay.

I also think the way Nas has been pumped up in the media after that game means we have to sign him--the fallout on the club if he leaves would be incomprehensible. Let's hope he does right by the club and signs for longer than 2 years

Exactly. Everyone wants NWM to stay

But people see the future differently, which leads to opposing opinions of what to do at the present time

Everything being argued here is based off subjective projections into the future - no one is winning this argument until at least 2027 unless NWM signs for more than 2 years...

 

[phantom13]

The reality is that I’m not the only one holding this position.

You literally had a crack at me about seeing the future and then proclaim it’s a tried and true method for premiership contenders- truth is, we might be. We might not be through no fault of trying. We might be contenders in 28 or 29. There is absolutely no method to predict when we will be. The only tried and true method is to lockdown your best pieces for the long term and build around them. This short term stuff makes it very hard to build anything considering that you talk to opposition players about joining well in advanced of that point.

Lastly, I’ve had a number of people reach out to support me and advise you’re a muppet. They just don’t want to get involved with you and that’s fine. Only a muppet would think I’m the only person of this view.

Awwww you getting some dm's from your sycophants? You tell em about the time SOS was in the same bar as you? Bet they love that.

Im not predicting anything, im playing out all the angles and every one of them looks better for us if we sign him for 2 years, only a total moron thinks otherwise.

The draft capital in 2 years is better, the potential that well be better and have a better sell than just money is better, everything bar global warming looks better for Nas in saints colors in 2 years time.

 

[stavro#4]

2 Year commitment and lots of money

Or no year commitment and no money

Mmmm this is a tough one Ed, I think I'll phone a friend

If you are emotional enough about this that you can’t see the big picture. So be it.

Apply a list build strategy to your $2m/2 year scenario and you start to see the significant issues with it.

 

[D2D3]

Don't know if you are being purposely stupid, but have consistently said pay him 2 mill x 2 and worry about it in 2027.

But introduce Max King into the argument for no reason. You should really stop while you are behind. You can't grasp a simple concept. Hope someone does your taxes for you as you seem to be financially illiterate.

Max King and TDK are both relevant here. If we’re willing to pay overs for blokes that are yet to truely prove they are genuine stars but we’ve decided to play funny buggers for an actual home grown genuine star it just shows how out of wack our priorities are.