List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[phantom13]

Your last line absolutely. Definitely have him for 2 with the hope we can convince him to stay than give him up right now.

The bold - just not sure when a player has ever taken a pay cut - and especially not one with a manager with the initial BW.
Its a very romantic idea that'd he'd do it out of love for club etc.

Either way, I'm just about done with all this. Just wish he'd decide and put us out of our misery.

Yeh, but i didnt say out of love of the club.

To me players have a few key motivations. Money, success, camraderie and family being the key ones (obviously players are complex and have more and their specific percentages for each will vary player to player year to year).

Right now the only one of those the saints are better in is camraderie, we know he has a good group of mates and loves the club. Money, success and family are all better (or at least equal) elsewhere.

We keep him for two years, and can demonstrate success and further potential success we tick that box, the money, well hopefully that becomes less important when were better and family were never gonna win but 2 more years in Melbs it might matter less.

Premierships are built on guys taking less money than they could have gotten (and even less than previous contracts).

Its also a bit moot cause plenty on here are saying well give him 2m for 7-8 years if hed stay, sure, keep him for 2 then do that anyway.

He might tell us to **** off in 2 years cause we cant pay him more but if he does we at least know where we are at list and success wise and can make a decision accordingly, (with a better trade offer available) or he might just say yeh, were top 4, i just won a brownlow and we can win a GF next year, im in.

I maintain there is zero logic in losing him over money right now. If he leaves because he wants to go home, nothing we can do, if he leaves because he wants to go home and Port offer him more money, we ****ed up.

 

[CaptainRisky]

I hope like hell we have a plan B and we’re quietly chatting to some quality players. If Nas doesn’t want it someone else will, just need to make sure we can get the assets for Nas if he leaves to get it done.

Yep , no good sitting on your ass thinking everything is fine until it isn't and then going oh dear what do we do now, need the old back up plan in the back pocket

 

[saintbill]

Winning big brother and starting an afl player management company, it’s just such a type of person I had to google to make sure it wasn’t satire. The guy is a walking betoota advocate column.

This flog is NAS manager? No way

 

[Yawkey way]

That is interesting. Hawks have Blues first rounder so could pay 2 firsts this year, future 1st next year for Butters.

Port on trade those 3 picks to us for NAS.

Still not ideal but we don't get completely reamed.

Port lose Butters, gain NAS
Hawks lose 3 first rounders
Saints gain 3 first rounders

Take the 2 earliest and MacKenzie, I think I’d like 2 in the top 12 this year. If you could swing that deal along with our own pick you’d think we could come out of this pretty well.

 

[Joffaboy]

Live this forum in full melt mode. Mods have had enough by the looks.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

overpaid GOPs for years, finally get our GOAT and people don't want to pay him overs despite being historically under our cap, yeah boi we got this

 

[Sully111]

St.Kilda fans 2012- July 2025:

"We really need to land a big fish midfielder... we have all the cap space in the world just pay massive overs for someone to land a big fish"

St.Kilda fans July 2025 - forever:

"Nas might be a top 5 player in the comp... but we shouldn't over pay to keep him... Other clubs are willing to pay $2m a year but we shouldn't over pay to keep star players at the club."

I've said multiple times imagine what we'd offer Nas if he played for someone else.

"But you have to pay more to get players from other clubs" holds no credibility for me. It ends up the same. You get X player for X dollars.

People get stuck on principle.... meanwhile other clubs rort the cap and get ahead.

 

[SG34]

News now that it is two-million-a-year https://www.afl.com.au/video/137684...dal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1753833341001

...so what are the odds, a team like Sydney have a crack, out of the shadows?

 

[Yawkey way]

overpaid GOPs for years, finally get our GOAT and people don't want to pay him overs despite being historically under our cap, yeah boi we got this

Isn’t it ironic, don’t you think.

 

[SainterinSydney]

As I said, a Catch 22 situation, because if he leaves and it comes out because we didn't pay him enough and we were out bid in circumstances where we have the biggest war chest in history, god help us in terms of fan and media backlash.

 

[starcey]

News now that it is two-million-a-year https://www.afl.com.au/video/137684...dal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1753833341001

...so what are the odds, a team like Sydney have a crack, out of the shadows?

It’s not 2 million a year. Do people on here actually read or listen to anything? Or just read a headline and go from there

 

[stavro#4]

I've said multiple times imagine what we'd offer Nas if he played for someone else.

"But you have to pay more to get players from other clubs" holds no credibility for me. It ends up the same. You get X player for X dollars.

People get stuck on principle.... meanwhile other clubs rort the cap and get ahead.

And you also get a 5+ year commitment from those players.

 

[kernelT]

Where do we find the money to keep them too?

When did you answer this? Not being funny - I've never seen it.
You can't solve a problem of being over the salary cap unless you cheat, or you let other good players go.
You, and everyone else on here will be correctly calling for the sacking of the player management team in that event.

Of course, I want him to stay - but you have to keep an eye on a future longer than 2 years ahead.

We have been at the cap floor for years, overpaid average players, the cap is increasing.

Other sides get creative, we are stupid if we're not flogging consulting and marketing gigs at SEEK, Jayco, Linfox etc.

These guys are on the block right now: 2 - 3 mil
Jones, Cordy, Byrnes, Stocker, Webster, Carroll, Howard, Schooners

Most of these guys are unlikely for another contract beyond 2027-28: 5+ mil
Hill, Wilkie, Butler, Clark, Sinclair, Steele, Macrae, Collard, Henry*, Wood, Dow, Marshall.

A couple may stay but we have about half the cap spare in 2028.

 

[Sully111]

And you also get a 5+ year commitment from those players.

Dude

Everyone wants Nas on a longer contract.

But you're the only one who wouldn't sign him for 2 years at 2 mil a year if that's the only way we could keep him.

Just you

The Lone Stavro

I salute you, oh rebellious spirit

 

[Mr Clunk]

Max's contract expires at the end of 2028.

If he hits a games played trigger the 2nd half of the deal kicks in (unlikely at this stage).

A key point willfully ignored by many who want to keep the bad St Kilda narrative going.

I legit wasn't aware of that

Brings some comfort

As I think he's an injury bust tbh

 

[SG34]

It’s not 2 million a year. Do people on here actually read or listen to anything? Or just read a headline and go from there

It's going up. The principle holds.

 

[kernelT]

As I said, a Catch 22 situation, because if he leaves and it comes out because we didn't pay him enough and we were out bid in circumstances where we have the biggest war chest in history, god help us in terms of fan and media backlash.

It's not catch 22.

We have the money, just ****ing use it instead of carrying on like complete knobs about being too poor.

If we lose the best player in the comp because of poor negotiations, it's game over for many at the club.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Dude

Everyone wants Nas on a longer contract.

But you're the only one who wouldn't sign him for 2 years at 2 mil a year if that's the only way we could keep him.

Just you

The Lone Stavro

I salute you, oh rebellious spirit

I completely understand where Stav is coming from--it could be a real cluster F in 2027 where we have lots of players out of contract with many potentially hitting elite/A Grade form and all wanting massive bucks (and being offered massive bucks from rivals).

However, I think if Nas says you have to give me $2million a season for 2 years, it will be a brave St Kilda to say no. Hence why we are between a rock and a hard place.

 

[stavro#4]

Dude

Everyone wants Nas on a longer contract.

But you're the only one who wouldn't sign him for 2 years at 2 mil a year if that's the only way we could keep him.

Just you

The Lone Stavro

I salute you, oh rebellious spirit

And the $2m is a complete hypothetical big footy bed wetting argument led by you and others based off a front ended offer that doesn’t equal $2m over the life of the deal.

 

[kernelT]

Dude

Everyone wants Nas on a longer contract.

But you're the only one who wouldn't sign him for 2 years at 2 mil a year if that's the only way we could keep him.

Just you

The Lone Stavro

I salute you, oh rebellious spirit

No deal sorry Nas. It doesn't sit well with one of our track watchers.

 

[Yawkey way]

I’ve seen a lot of players leave for the cash over the years and it often ends very badly.

Nas and his manager have lost control of this. It was a homesick kid wants home, shrug bad luck, fair enough. Now it’s an open bidding war, good luck with that. Every week he just plays well let alone puts in an ordinary game the pressure will be insane. Quite young bloke who likes his privacy, kiss that goodbye.

Be careful what you wish for but who’s driving this Nas or his manager ?. If Nas isn’t on board he better get control because I haven’t seen this level of hype for a while.

 

[Leap of Faith]

That is interesting. Hawks have Blues first rounder so could pay 2 firsts this year, future 1st next year for Butters.

Port on trade those 3 picks to us for NAS.

Still not ideal but we don't get completely reamed.

Port lose Butters, gain NAS
Hawks lose 3 first rounders
Saints gain 3 first rounders

Nah f*** that. 3 first rounders in the teens at best when you take all the academy rorts into account and Hawks being on the up. If it comes to pass that Nas is out the door - thinks to self, "why am I even participating in this discussion" - then three top ten picks minimum. Even that wouldn't be enough.

 

[phantom13]

I completely understand where Stav is coming from--it could be a real cluster F in 2027 where we have lots of players out of contract with many potentially hitting elite/A Grade form and all wanting massive bucks (and being offered massive bucks from rivals).

However, I think if Nas says you have to give me $2million a season for 2 years, it will be a brave St Kilda to say no. Hence why we are between a rock and a hard place.

Where are we as a list/club right now?

We really don’t know, we look like we’re building, good kids etc, but we’re gonna finish bottom 6.

Everything we’ve done, contracts, Ross, footy department is centered around 2027 being make or break. Losing Nas now means the last 3 years are a waste and we’ve totally burned the older brigade.

Push the decision point to 2027 and we at least know what we are, the older guys get to hang on to contribute to a good team if we’re that OR we know we are shit and we’ve gotta rebuild again.

We’re far more informed in 2027 with the next steps. Obviously there is a risk but the risk of not retaining Nas is far far worse

 

[Yawkey way]

And the $2m is a complete hypothetical big footy bed wetting argument led by you and others based off a front ended offer that doesn’t equal $2m over the life of the deal.

$2 million is everywhere now, by next week it will be front loaded to even more. I just watched someone on the afl site say clubs are saying Nas is worth $2 million over the life of the contract not front loaded.

 

[Sully111]

And the $2m is a complete hypothetical big footy bed wetting argument led by you and others based off a front ended offer that doesn’t equal $2m over the life of the deal.

Just saw Oprah say it

Reckons it could be more

Oprah

FMD

Go Nas