Coach Did Hinkley underperform as Power coach?

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Never heard of a coach being mentally weak in a final. I'd be looking at the efforts of the 22 on the park.

It’s also the coaches role to mentally prepare a team for finals. We fail at that. Many finals we’ve been rolled from the first bounce as we haven’t prepared.

This shows in the fact that against all teams we’ve lost in the finals to, we beat all of them in the game prior during the H&A season. Showing we clearly are good enough to beat them.

We’re 7-0 during the season. 0-7 in the follow up game during finals. Clear sign something significantly changes in the group between season and finals.

That’s also a coaches role to have us mentally, physically and structurally prepared for finals. Which we aren’t.

 

[edgie]

Never heard of a coach being mentally weak in a final. I'd be looking at the efforts of the 22 on the park.

How many coaches have said 'finals are scary'?

And it isn't just finals, the team have continually shit the bed in any big game, like showdowns for instance. Hinkley has a losing record in showdowns despite Port being pretty good and the crows going through their worst ever era.

In 2001 - 2004, when Port was also pretty good and the crows decent, Port won 7/8 showdowns.

 

[Bearded Clam]

He’s performed perfectly..

 

[Freomaniac]

You don't keep anything less for thirteen ****ing seasons, so you either think he's the bees knees or admit the club has ****ed up and wasted an era.

As a Port Adelaide fan, why do you think Ken Hinkley stayed for 13 seasons?

 

[ClintEastwood]

Never heard of a coach being mentally weak in a final. I'd be looking at the efforts of the 22 on the park.

Really, you don't think some coaches let nerves and self-doubts and fears overpower them under the heat of finals? And that that flows to the team?

Shaping the mentality of a squad is precisely the role of a coach, along with a lot of other things. He's failed to do it. Are the players mentally weak too? Yeah, but that is something that flows downhill. I can guarantee they wouldn't be that way if they were playing under Leigh Matthews or Denis Pagan.

 

[ClintEastwood]

As a Port Adelaide fan, why do you think Ken Hinkley stayed for 13 seasons?

Because he was making good money, and he was ****ing allowed to remain.

 

[longdonkey]

As a Port Adelaide fan, why do you think Ken Hinkley stayed for 13 seasons?

Because he wouldn't have got a job anywhere else.

 

[Freomaniac]

Because he was making good money, and he was ****ing allowed to remain.

That's one reason.

The other reason is stability. You are not gonna change coaches every 2 or 3 years unless there is not improvement.

Hard to sack Ken Hinkley since the end of 2020

 

[longdonkey]

That's one reason.

The other reason is stability. You are not gonna change coaches every 2 or 3 years unless there is not improvement.

Hard to sack Ken Hinkley since the end of 2020

The other reason is stability. You are not gonna change coaches every 12 or 13 years unless there is not improvement.

Hard to sack Ken Hinkley since the end of 2020

Just fixed that for you.

 

[edgie]

As a Port Adelaide fan, why do you think Ken Hinkley stayed for 13 seasons?

Inept club management and unbelievable work of Ken's management.

The club has been gaslit to believe without him we immediately go back to 2012 and the admin is too scared or egotistical to want that - even though it's BS. No other club has been told that without their mediocre coach they will become shit, Beveridge and Goodwin are flag winning coaches but there's still noise about them - nobody ever says they will return to bottom four if they move them on.

On that, 2012 was an improvement on 2011 which showed the club was tracking up after its worst season, and we didn't even finish bottom four.

Ken has unbelievable protection in the media, only David King has ever really been critical of him. Kane Cornes has a conflict of interest and won't ever treat him the same as other coaches. Choco Williams is on record as not understanding the treatment he gets. The SA media is happy to keep praising him because many of them are Crows ambassadors and know Ken keeps port away from silverware. Michaelangelo Rucci, who constantly put the boots on to Primus, is now employed by the club to write propaganda to the masses making Ken look better. You can draw links to Ken with a lot of media people. Dwayne Russel? Former teammate. Gerard Whately? Geelong fanboy. Jimmy Bartel? Cameron Ling? Cameron Mooney? Formerly coached by Ken. Ross Lyon? Paul Roos? Former teammate. Keith Thomas, Port CEO at the time when Ken was hired? Former teammate.

The club has been known to let people like Caroline Wilson in with exclusive interviews and access so she is always defending him. Cos Cardone is high up on the board, and works for Eddie McGuire. Obviously in Eddie's interest to keep Port mid table, non threatening, among other things (prison bars).

Koch has stupid beliefs like good clubs don't sack coaches, etc, and believes guys like Hardwick or Fagan, who took a bit of time to click after some close but no cigar, is exactly what would happen with Ken, rather than seeing them as outliers, not the standard.

In short, it's an incredibly powerful display of gaslighting and propaganda that most governments would be envious of, and Ken having the perfect storm of circumstances contribute to him being lionised in being there during a quick turnaround after the clubs worst era, and taking the entire credit for that, with none going to other people there in his first two seasons - Alan Richardson, Phil Walsh, and Darren Burgess.

 

[Cleric]

Two things can be true at the same time. Ken can be a really good coach, and his time at Port can be up.

Sometimes a coaches message gets old, and a team needs a fresh face.
Ken took Port from a basket case to prelim finals. He had strong relationships with his players which saw a number of players from Interstate (Wines and Boak for instance) that were under pressure to go back to Victoria, stay and commit. While the Crows were losing top line talent every year, Port was keeping theirs.

It's best for both Ken and Port to go their separate ways, and Ken will be highly sort after when he leaves.
I fear that the next era with Carr as coach may be a poor one for the Pear.

 

[edgie]

Two things can be true at the same time. Ken can be a really good coach, and his time at Port can be up.

Sometimes a coaches message gets old, and a team needs a fresh face.
Ken took Port from a basket case to prelim finals. He had strong relationships with his players which saw a number of players from Interstate (Wines and Boak for instance) that were under pressure to go back to Victoria, stay and commit. While the Crows were losing top line talent every year, Port was keeping theirs.

It's best for both Ken and Port to go their separate ways, and Ken will be highly sort after when he leaves.
I fear that the next era with Carr as coach may be a poor one for the Pear.

Lol Boak re-signed in 2012, as did Jackson Trengove. Nothing to do with Ken.

Totally proving my recent post correct.

Port has only ever lost one player it wanted to keep before Ken - Shaun Burgoyne.

 

[Freomaniac]

Lol Boak re-signed in 2012, as did Jackson Trengove. Nothing to do with Ken.

Totally proving my recent post correct.

Port has only ever lost one player it wanted to keep before Ken - Shaun Burgoyne.

Boak signed on in mid 2012 until the end of 2014. That means at the end of 2014 we could of left Port as a free agent.



So if that wasn't a warning, I don't know what is.

If Port finished bottom 6 in 2013-4, you think Boak would of spent his whole playing career at Port? Unlikely

 

[Partridge]

The other reason is stability. You are not gonna change coaches every 12 or 13 years unless there is not improvement.

Hard to sack Ken Hinkley since the end of 2020

Just fixed that for you.

Yep. Ultimately, it's a results-driven industry (and absolutely should be).

If you've coached for 13 seasons without even a single Grand final appearance, you're a failure. Full stop. If there isn't a premiership to your name you haven't achieved what ever club aims for. And the results this year show they aren't getting better, they're getting worse. That's on the coach. It's called accountability.

Scott has definitely copped it from Geelong fans at times (and I've been one of them), but even before 2022 - he'd at least delivered one premiership. Don't have to like him (I can't listen to his press conferences anymore), but after two premierships the results are undeniable.

Among the many things the footy media say that are stomach-churning, Hinkley's old mates actually talking him up like he's achieved great things is mindboggling. And I don't mind Port. Do have a lot of sympathy for their fans, they don't deserve getting saddled with him and Koch.

 

[Cleric]

Does anyone really think that Josh Carr

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would have got this team to finals with the same list and injuries?

 

[Cleric]

Lol Boak re-signed in 2012, as did Jackson Trengove. Nothing to do with Ken.

Totally proving my recent post correct.

Port has only ever lost one player it wanted to keep before Ken - Shaun Burgoyne.

So Boak signed a 10 year contract under Primus? I must have missed that.
Crazy to think after he re-signed in 2012 that every single Victorian team no longer wanted to get him.

 

[edgie]

Does anyone really think that Josh Carr would have got this team to finals with the same list and injuries?

The team that finished in the top 2 last year?

 

[edgie]

So Boak signed a 10 year contract under Primus? I must have missed that.
Crazy to think after he re-signed in 2012 that every single Victorian team no longer wanted to get him.

I mean, there was no reports of teams wanting him after that. Geelong rolled in to town in 2012 and threw the farm at him. It never happened again.

 

[Cleric]

I mean, there was no reports of teams wanting him after that. Geelong rolled in to town in 2012 and threw the farm at him. It never happened again.

Of course the teams wanted him, but by that stage he had found an amazing Adelaide girl and settled down, and didn't want leave. Sure, he later had an affair with another girl at the club and broke up with her, but by that time he was in his 30s.

 

[edgie]

Of course the teams wanted him, but by that stage he had found an amazing Adelaide girl and settled down, and didn't want leave. Sure, he later had an affair with another girl at the club and broke up with her, but by that time he was in his 30s.

You seem to know a lot about his love life

 

[Cleric]

The team that finished in the top 2 last year?

Teams fall away quickly. The loss of Houston killed your backline system, injuries hurt, Boak, Wines, Alir, Rioli, all in their 30s and slower has changed the team to what it was last year.
Josh Carr in that exact same situation wouldn't have got Port into finals.
This year has pulled the mask of the list situation at Port. You should have listened to Port legend Kane Cornes when he was warning about it.

 

[Cleric]

You seem to know a lot about his love life

I know his ex very well.

 

[Dazb86]

Does anyone really think that Josh Carr would have got this team to finals with the same list and injuries?

Bottom 4

 

[edgie]

Teams fall away quickly. The loss of Houston killed your backline system, injuries hurt, Boak, Wines, Alir, Rioli, all in their 30s and slower has changed the team to what it was last year.
Josh Carr in that exact same situation wouldn't have got Port into finals.
This year has pulled the mask of the list situation at Port. You should have listened to Port legend Kane Cornes when he was warning about it.

Josh Carr wouldn't have gotten Port thumped half a dozen times by 15 goals.

When you say Port legend Kane Cornes you are taking the piss, so now I know you are trolling. Cornes's bias and conflict of interest to Hinkley is well established. Cornes's behaviour toward Port when he doesn't get his own way is well established.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Does anyone really think that Josh Carr would have got this team to finals with the same list and injuries?

Maybe not.

But what we do absolutely know before the season started was that Ken wasn’t the future direction or going to achieve success in 2025. So the call should have been made early rather than a wasted year in limbo.