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DorothyG said:
Daicos (and all other GC kids) would have been identified by Collingwood at the first sign of potential. He would have had the full weight of the Pies footy department behind his back, not just footy but everything that goes with it. Recovery, diet, training standards etc. all the things that teenagers don't think about.
Some of the FS kids especially, have been in and around AFL clubs since they were born. Its in their upbringing to know what is required.
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It’s an unmentioned advantage of F/S - as noted above- every advantage and support the moment they showed any talent. And familiarity with an AFL club and that goes with that.

So they should be playing better football more quickly.
 
DorothyG said:
Its also just unfair to the non FS/Academy kids (see HReid).

These FC/academy kids are in their preferred clubs system, elite, high performance systems at a much earlier point in their careers before a normal Draftee candidate.

Compare Reids final junior year to say Daicos.
Reid played at multiple clubs and would have had very little structured coaching. He was cleary head and shoulders above everyone else, so probably just have been told to do what he does best by his multiple coaches.

Also coaches wouldn't have cared about his defensive positioning/running/pressure acts etc, all the non sexy, but very important at AFL level, as he only there for a short time.

Daicos (and all other GC kids) would have been identified by Collingwood at the first sign of potential. He would have had the full weight of the Pies footy department behind his back, not just footy but everything that goes with it. Recovery, diet, training standards etc. all the things that teenagers don't think about.
Some of the FS kids especially, have been in and around AFL clubs since they were born. Its in their upbringing to know what is required.

Reid had his uncle training him Mui Thai.

Daicos enters the AFL maturely miles ahead. The pies can also long term plan around him, build a list and put the pieces in place years in advance.

We had Reid, than we didn't, then North did north things in the last game of the season and he's ours. You can't plan or build a team around that.
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It's a good point about the development. One thing I've noticed is that a lot of the really good young players have family who were sportsmen or athletes. While father sons are an obvious example, Max Holmes' mother was an Olympian, Finn Callahan's dad was in the commonwealth games. Makes a difference - doubt they'd be in danger of coming back to preseason unfit.
 
Bumping up the Oscar compo from band 2 to 1, and letting us grab our NGAs and Banfield F/S without costing us picks is the best we'll get I think.

Pick 1 Dyson Sharp
Pick 2 traded to GC for ~8, ~13 and F2
Hawks 1st traded to Collingwood for Darcy Cameron
Pick ~8 draft best available
Pick ~13 traded to Carlton for Cripps
WCE 2nd and Hawks 2nd dangled for experienced players (or draft best available)
Evans/Walley/Banfield NGA/FS
 

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Greg Swan did an interview today about a mixture of topics but I found this bit in particular quite interesting.






Greg Swann also flagged a review of the father-son, NGA, and academy rules amid growing concern that they're skewing the draft. He acknowledged the AFL can refine free agency compensation to better support struggling clubs.

"It's up for discussion. I think overall, the drafting – now with NGAs, northern academies, and father-son combinations – is getting away from the spirit of the draft, which is to help the bottom clubs get the first pick and the best talent. Sometimes, the best talent is already locked away via those mechanisms," Swann said.

"There are mechanisms within that, too. When you get a free agent and you lose a free agent, that nets off. So, there might be scope for bottom clubs to grab a free agent and still get the full compensation if they lose a player.”


If that’s an option I’m all for it. Don’t dilute our Oscar Allen compo and let us go full hung ho on free agents.

We could have a free stab at Matt Crouch, Reilly O’Brien, James Worpel and Brandon Starcevich.

Anyone else?
 
ThePuma #9 said:
Greg Swan did an interview today about a mixture of topics but I found this bit in particular quite interesting.






Greg Swann also flagged a review of the father-son, NGA, and academy rules amid growing concern that they're skewing the draft. He acknowledged the AFL can refine free agency compensation to better support struggling clubs.

"It's up for discussion. I think overall, the drafting – now with NGAs, northern academies, and father-son combinations – is getting away from the spirit of the draft, which is to help the bottom clubs get the first pick and the best talent. Sometimes, the best talent is already locked away via those mechanisms," Swann said.

"There are mechanisms within that, too. When you get a free agent and you lose a free agent, that nets off. So, there might be scope for bottom clubs to grab a free agent and still get the full compensation if they lose a player.”


If that’s an option I’m all for it. Don’t dilute our Oscar Allen compo and let us go full hung ho on free agents.

We could have a free stab at Matt Crouch, Reilly O’Brien, James Worpel and Brandon Starcevich.

Anyone else?
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Reilly O'Brien - re-signed with Crows
Worpel - Geelong heavily into him.
Starcevich - concussion risks
Crouch - could be
 
ThePuma #9 said:
Greg Swan did an interview today about a mixture of topics but I found this bit in particular quite interesting.






Greg Swann also flagged a review of the father-son, NGA, and academy rules amid growing concern that they're skewing the draft. He acknowledged the AFL can refine free agency compensation to better support struggling clubs.

"It's up for discussion. I think overall, the drafting – now with NGAs, northern academies, and father-son combinations – is getting away from the spirit of the draft, which is to help the bottom clubs get the first pick and the best talent. Sometimes, the best talent is already locked away via those mechanisms," Swann said.

"There are mechanisms within that, too. When you get a free agent and you lose a free agent, that nets off. So, there might be scope for bottom clubs to grab a free agent and still get the full compensation if they lose a player.”


If that’s an option I’m all for it. Don’t dilute our Oscar Allen compo and let us go full hung ho on free agents.

We could have a free stab at Matt Crouch, Reilly O’Brien, James Worpel and Brandon Starcevich.

Anyone else?
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Caro also flagged this yesterday, so no doubt preparing the ground for a change. Interesting, given she has been such a staunch defender of F/S that she recognised it had gone too far.
 
swingdog said:
Caro also flagged this yesterday, so no doubt preparing the ground for a change. Interesting, given she has been such a staunch defender of F/S that she recognised it had gone too far.
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F/S is wonderfully romantic and well suited to amature sport. But it is no fit at all in professional sport. If it is, Silvagni must be forced to stay at Carlton - he is third generation Blues Royalty.
 
Aren't the Northern academies 10x bigger of an issue than the Father/Son?

How many high end F/S's are there every year (i.e. players that would have gone top 20)? Between 1 - 3? Vrs how many academy free kicks the Northern clubs get.

Is the AFL going to tinker around with F/S so they can turn around and claim to have taken concrete action to uncompromise the draft so they can get some cover to leave the academies in place? They don't care about F/S but they care about the academies because they want to hand flags to NSW and Qld teams. They tinker with F/S so the heat goes off them to do something about the academies.
 
Father son/Daughter on it's own isn't really too much of a problem. it's just everything else to do with the academies and draft is so warped and busted that F/S on top of it all just broke peoples backs.

There are so many easy things AFL house could do to fix this mess but they are too lazy to be bothered.

Make it so all clubs have the same access and ruleset as QLD and NSW academies.
Then limit those academies to a max of 1 players they can pull from the draft and preselect (that player sits out the draft).
Then limit clubs to one F/S per draft that they can do the same with.

This incentivises clubs to develop players in their NGA / Academies Grow the NGA/Academies so it expands the talent base, those not drafted would bolster the local comps.

PP go back to the old system of a set criteria of win/loses over a period of time, you're shit? Get a double dip at the top end of town to help get better quicker.

That would fix a lot of the problems.

For Free Agents, have a block on them from leaving to clubs within the top 6.
You want to leave, fine, you're not going hunting premierships at top teams, you're either helping bottom clubs or helping bolster mid tier teams.
 

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UseR2006 said:
Father son/Daughter on it's own isn't really too much of a problem. it's just everything else to do with the academies and draft is so warped and busted that F/S on top of it all just broke peoples backs.

There are so many easy things AFL house could do to fix this mess but they are too lazy to be bothered.

Make it so all clubs have the same access and ruleset as QLD and NSW academies.
Then limit those academies to a max of 1 players they can pull from the draft and preselect (that player sits out the draft).
Then limit clubs to one F/S per draft that they can do the same with.

This incentivises clubs to develop players in their NGA / Academies Grow the NGA/Academies so it expands the talent base, those not drafted would bolster the local comps.

PP go back to the old system of a set criteria of win/loses over a period of time, you're shit? Get a double dip at the top end of town to help get better quicker.

That would fix a lot of the problems.

For Free Agents, have a block on them from leaving to clubs within the top 6.
You want to leave, fine, you're not going hunting premierships at top teams, you're either helping bottom clubs or helping bolster mid tier teams.
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I agree. I've said it before that I think all teams should be able to preselect 1 academy player/FS a year and then the rest goes into the open draft. Still makes it worth developing the academies and it just takes them out of the draft completely without diluting the talent pool too much. You then don't get the farce of teams having multiple top 5/10 picks in a single draft. The bidding system is bypassed and the joke of auctioning of picks is also taken away.
 
UseR2006 said:
Father son/Daughter on it's own isn't really too much of a problem. it's just everything else to do with the academies and draft is so warped and busted that F/S on top of it all just broke peoples backs.

There are so many easy things AFL house could do to fix this mess but they are too lazy to be bothered.

Make it so all clubs have the same access and ruleset as QLD and NSW academies.
Then limit those academies to a max of 1 players they can pull from the draft and preselect (that player sits out the draft).
Then limit clubs to one F/S per draft that they can do the same with.

This incentivises clubs to develop players in their NGA / Academies Grow the NGA/Academies so it expands the talent base, those not drafted would bolster the local comps.

PP go back to the old system of a set criteria of win/loses over a period of time, you're shit? Get a double dip at the top end of town to help get better quicker.

That would fix a lot of the problems.

For Free Agents, have a block on them from leaving to clubs within the top 6.
You want to leave, fine, you're not going hunting premierships at top teams, you're either helping bottom clubs or helping bolster mid tier teams.
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I agree with all that except i don't think the motivation from the AFL is laziness or stupidity. I think they want to manipulate the comp and deliver flags to the places that will do the most to boost the value of the next TV rights deals (i.e. NSW and Qld).
 
I don't mind father/son - all clubs are in the running (i guess not yet GC/GWS), it's a crapshoot. Just wish we could get some of those Daicos/Ashcroft genetics through our bloodlines 🤣

As long as you pay reasonable/fair draft capital if bid on, I'm OK with it.

NGAs i think have a place - it's about investing in and developing first nations/multi-cultural talent.

The Northern academies are the problem - the AFL joint funds (which means our contributions to the AFL partially fund it) the development of QLD and NSW talent to the benefit of only 4 teams.

The rules make no sense - if someone like Jed Walter, who grew up in WA, developed by WA can move to QLD and join an academy, how does that fit the bill? Same deal for Hodges kid.

Is it about growing the sport in emerging markets, or propping up their teams?

GWS, Bris and Syd have had sustained success. GC only now, but not for lack of top-end talent on their list. Do these clubs really need more priority talent?

Would rather all clubs contribute a % alongside the AFL who manage the academy, and any talent from the academy goes into the full draft pool for all to access. All clubs should be entitled to bear the fruit of this expansion.

Or bring in zones if the view is to allow clubs better access to homegrown talent (stops vic mummas boys/WA talent drain/manage the inherent difficulties for WA clubs to trade anyone in not from WA)
 
The problem with zones is the WA and SA clubs. In ten years all of a sudden they would be unstoppable. There is enough talent from WA and SA that when you throw trades on top eventually you will end up with an 80's Hawks style dynasty. Vic clubs will need to split the state between 10 clubs. They'd likely never win a premiership again after a few years.

Now if you could only pull 1 from your zone each year outside the draft it would be more realistic but it would still greatly benefit every state bar Vic.
 
Donkers said:
The problem with zones is the WA and SA clubs. In ten years all of a sudden they would be unstoppable. There is enough talent from WA and SA that when you throw trades on top eventually you will end up with an 80's Hawks style dynasty. Vic clubs will need to split the state between 10 clubs. They'd likely never win a premiership again after a few years.
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Victorian teams get to play on the MCG regularly, while WA, SA, QLD teams barely set foot on it once or twice a year.
Consider it part of comp equalisation.

Donkers said:
The problem with zones is the WA and SA clubs. In ten years all of a sudden they would be unstoppable. There is enough talent from WA and SA that when you throw trades on top eventually you will end up with an 80's Hawks style dynasty. Vic clubs will need to split the state between 10 clubs. They'd likely never win a premiership again after a few years.

Now if you could only pull 1 from your zone each year outside the draft it would be more realistic but it would still greatly benefit every state bar Vic.
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Donkers said:
It will never happen. If Victoria had 6 sides it would work relative to national talent. But in Victoria you'd still end up with stronger and weaker zones. Tasmania would be ****ed too.
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Dark Sharks said:
To be fair, Daicos is the fault of North being absolute pathetic soft spine tin rattlers and refusing to bid on him.

It was clear as day, he had already signed his contract with Collingwood and everything, they weren't ever not matching.

Instead he doesn't get bid on until pick 4-5 by Fold Coast.



Sydney is the only campaigners with the stones to consistently make clubs pay.
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The Ashcroft brothers going #2 and #5 also was a joke, given that Will was pretty much universally regarded as the top player in his draft class and quite a few clubs also had Levi as the best player in his. GWS taking Cadman saved Brisbane 521 points (ignoring the discount) and if Levi was indeed the best player in his class, then no bid coming until 5 was a discount of 1341 points.
 
Ilkka Sinisalo said:
The Ashcroft brothers going #2 and #5 also was a joke, given that Will was pretty much universally regarded as the top player in his draft class and quite a few clubs also had Levi as the best player in his. GWS taking Cadman saved Brisbane 521 points (ignoring the discount) and if Levi was indeed the best player in his class, then no bid coming until 5 was a discount of 1341 points.
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And then clubs moan about academies - simple, make them pay correct weight.
 
Wild to me that the eagles have locked in the spoon before ANY team has locked in top 8 and yet there's still arguments over whether we need help.
 
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