List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[soups1982]

Hope his players respond and are 'strong in the contest' for him.

that would be "significantly pleasing"

 

[Lightsxo]

Walking into this thread daily.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Nothing like a good old fashioned Bigfooty Board Mexican standoff

 

[StPiper]

I’m definitely leaning towards gone, but it is strange that there have really been no whispers either way in the media (recently). Usually these things are out there, even if they turn out to be wrong.

 

[SainterinSydney]

I’m definitely leaning towards gone, but it is strange that there have really been no whispers either way in the media (recently). Usually these things are out there, even if they turn out to be wrong.

And we aren't talking about Billings to Melbourne levels of trade, this is a top 3 player in the comp. It says to me that no negotiations are going on with third parties and it's likely just us and Williams. Port and/or Crows would be leaking like the Titanic otherwise.

 

[ARCHIE66]

Very interesting read, in relation to list management, and just all the ways things can go right and wrong in footy. And yet Dees still broke their drought and got their flag.

Just as easily as everything can go to shit, things can change for the better as well. Would be interesting to compare to say Richmond who managed to succeed in their dynasty potential.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1382047

Very interesting, it’s crazy the bad luck the dees have had after finally building such a good list. From the melksham-may fight, straight sets, brayshaw, Gawn-Grundy saga, Oliver drug problem, Petracca kings birthday, Jackson and Neal bullpen leaving and our 3qt comeback. Has any team had a worse run of incidents ever and a bigger fall from grace? In 2021 you couldn’t see any team being near there talent for the next 5 years.

 

[Holy Hunter Clark]

Has it been confirmed yet that you can trade picks two years in the future ?

Yes, but Port won't be able to because they wouldn't have taken the minimum amount of first round picks in a 3 year period (I think). Would need to be ticked off from the AFL.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Very interesting read, in relation to list management, and just all the ways things can go right and wrong in footy. And yet Dees still broke their drought and got their flag.

Just as easily as everything can go to shit, things can change for the better as well. Would be interesting to compare to say Richmond who managed to succeed in their dynasty potential.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1382047

Let’s remember that the Dees got a huge leg up from the AFL - appointing Paul Roos and plenty of draft concessions. Didn’t exactly do it on their own.

Brayshaw was pick 3 from the priority pick for James Frawley. Pick 3!!!

Oh, and of course, Petracca was a gift from the Saints - but better we don’t go there again!

 

[The_Snake26]

I hope we’ve given the ultimatum that if port don’t stump up a ridiculous offer we’ll be redrafting him through the national or PSD.
I’d be starting with Georgiades + Rozee/Butters/Bergman + a future 1st
Otherwise gtfo

 

[Saintos The ITK]

If Naz said he would stay for years so long as we gave Tex and Cho a spot would you do it?

 

[St Neil]

The Goodwin sacking is so interesting. A Premiership Coach* that never got the best out of his players or list after 2021. Reportedly very well liked by the players, so it’ll be interesting to see if there are any ramifications.

I wonder what someone like Pickett is feeling, after re-signing long-term. And if Oliver and Petracca decide to move on now that there’ll be a new coach.

*COVID year, doesn’t count

On Agenda Setters they said there are no takers for Oliver. Average form, poor behaviour and a sky rocketing contract means Melbourne are stuck with him for another 4 years.

Similar for Petracca. He’s just average now. But his arrogance in anointing clubs who he thought were worthy of his brilliance has turned most away.

A few might still be interested, but at little trade cost and Melbourne paying a large chunk of his inflated contract. Petracca is nothing more than a salary dump now.

Demons are in a world of pain. Their best players are old. Time for a rebuild.

 

[The_Steadier]

Quite frankly, if Port think they are going to give us two future draft picks from heavily compromised drafts as compensation because he is out of contract and we should take whatever we can get, I'd rather the club just send him to the PSD and get nothing.

I'm of the same view.

Unless we get offered something objectively decent in return for nas- we are better off in the long run I believe accepting nothing and sending him to the psd.

Bassat has used words to rail against the league supporting nepo babies and the likes of lolnorf... while letting us wither on the vine.

Words without action won't change this.

If we take a stand and act by giving up a couple of crap future picks that wont get us any closer to a flag... then we get closer to a flag I believe, by making the league take bassats words seriously.

Lose the battle, win the war.

 

[Spider Eater]

Very interesting, it’s crazy the bad luck the dees have had after finally building such a good list. From the melksham-may fight, straight sets, brayshaw, Gawn-Grundy saga, Oliver drug problem, Petracca kings birthday, Jackson and Neal bullpen leaving and our 3qt comeback. Has any team had a worse run of incidents ever and a bigger fall from grace? In 2021 you couldn’t see any team being near there talent for the next 5 years.

The poor bastards were locked-up inside and forced to prepare their own cheese boards while their team finally wins a flag... Absolutely barbaric.

 

[jimmytigs]

Very interesting, it’s crazy the bad luck the dees have had after finally building such a good list. From the melksham-may fight, straight sets, brayshaw, Gawn-Grundy saga, Oliver drug problem, Petracca kings birthday, Jackson and Neal bullpen leaving and our 3qt comeback. Has any team had a worse run of incidents ever and a bigger fall from grace? In 2021 you couldn’t see any team being near there talent for the next 5 years.

in many ways they are more embaressing than us,in fact only the 2021 flag saves them

lost to essendon in 2016,i think the first team to do so
that 47-233 vs geelong
48-238 vs fitzroy in 70s,greatest losing margin all time
losing the kreuzer cup,they cant even get losing right

they are capable of sinking to depths that we surely couldnt,only consistent positive i can give them is win or lose they throw everything at collingwood when they play them

 

[The Punter]

On Agenda Setters they said there are no takers for Oliver. Average form, poor behaviour and a sky rocketing contract means Melbourne are stuck with him for another 4 years.

Similar for Petracca. He’s just average now. But his arrogance in anointing clubs who he thought were worthy of his brilliance has turned most away.

A few might still be interested, but at little trade cost and Melbourne paying a large chunk of his inflated contract. Petracca is nothing more than a salary dump now.

Demons are in a world of pain. Their best players are old. Time for a rebuild.

The Melbourne flag is a tough one if we're being honest. We all want to see a Saints flag in our lifetimes, just one. But would you take it if:

• you couldn't be there for the Grand Final
• it was followed by what will probably be a decade of disappointment?

It's another reason it's really important to keep Nas, as the seas may be parting for us a little if we can. Melbourne, Carlton and Port Adelaide (if they don't have to give anything real up for Nas) are heading for long rebuilds. Richmond, West Coast and North still seem a way off. Essendon keep Essendoning. Excluding the top nine, that leaves just Sydney and us outside the group contending for finals.

There's a cliff coming at Collingwood at some stage soon-ish. More unfilfilled potential will eventually see Beveridge move on. Fremantle remain unreliable (in hot form at the moment to be sure).

Feels like we're one step away. It's a big step and one we can't seem to make yet, but it feels imminent. As long as we keep Nas.

 

[sufficientintent]

I’m definitely leaning towards gone, but it is strange that there have really been no whispers either way in the media (recently). Usually these things are out there, even if they turn out to be wrong.

Not all that strange - his manager is clearly running a very tight ship, as any info that gets leaked to the Saints, Port or Adelaide (or to the wider media) impacts what those clubs are willing to offer him, which takes away the ability to leverage those offers against each other.

It's smart management but ****ing infuriating for us BF campaigners

 

[sauce_head]

Let’s remember that the Dees got a huge leg up from the AFL - appointing Paul Roos and plenty of draft concessions. Didn’t exactly do it on their own.

Brayshaw was pick 3 from the priority pick for James Frawley. Pick 3!!!

Oh, and of course, Petracca was a gift from the Saints - but better we don’t go there again!

Captain a father son (Viney was at one posing wasn’t he?).

 

[gubby88]

If Naz said he would stay for years so long as we gave Tex and Cho a spot would you do it?

every day of the week and a thousand times on Sunday

 

[sauce_head]

The worst part about not being in finals contention is the f-ing post season thread is on us early. And they always quickly descend into junk. Especially when such a big decision is looking. This season sucks balls.

 

[Simple Jack]

The Melbourne flag is a tough one if we're being honest. We all want to see a Saints flag in our lifetimes, just one. But would you take it if:

• you couldn't be there for the Grand Final
• it was followed by what will probably be a decade of disappointment?

It's another reason it's really important to keep Nas, as the seas may be parting for us a little if we can. Melbourne, Carlton and Port Adelaide (if they don't have to give anything real up for Nas) are heading for long rebuilds. Richmond, West Coast and North still seem a way off. Essendon keep Essendoning. Excluding the top nine, that leaves just Sydney and us outside the group contending for finals.

There's a cliff coming at Collingwood at some stage soon-ish. More unfilfilled potential will eventually see Beveridge move on. Fremantle remain unreliable (in hot form at the moment to be sure).

Feels like we're one step away. It's a big step and one we can't seem to make yet, but it feels imminent. As long as we keep Nas.

Yes, easily. Not even a question.

Our (lived) alternative is to have all that shitfullness and not see a flag at all. Not even on the TV.

 

[Linton Street Saint]

The Melbourne flag is a tough one if we're being honest. We all want to see a Saints flag in our lifetimes, just one. But would you take it if:

• you couldn't be there for the Grand Final

There are thousands upon thousands of supporters who couldn't get to a GF even if COVID wasn't a thing so that's a definite yes

• it was followed by what will probably be a decade of disappointment?

Odds are this happens anyway for most clubs so TBH also most likely a yes.

 

[Train12]

If Naz said he would stay for years so long as we gave Tex and Cho a spot would you do it?

Who is Cho?

Is that just a spitballing question?

 

[The_Snake26]

I'm of the same view.

Unless we get offered something objectively decent in return for nas- we are better off in the long run I believe accepting nothing and sending him to the psd.

Bassat has used words to rail against the league supporting nepo babies and the likes of lolnorf... while letting us wither on the vine.

Words without action won't change this.

If we take a stand and act by giving up a couple of crap future picks that wont get us any closer to a flag... then we get closer to a flag I believe, by making the league take bassats words seriously.

Lose the battle, win the war.

I said it earlier. Threat that we’ll send him to the draft/psd. If port/crows don’t agree to deals that are ridiculously in our favour.
There’s 4 teams below us that would happily take him and agree to whatever terms are set. If he gets past them in a psd then we take him back.
Imagine a top 3 player landing in your lap for free in the draft. None of WC, tigers, north or bombers are saying no

 

[The_Snake26]

Who is Cho?

Is that just a spitballing question?

Alan Richardson. Apparently he wants to hear him say his game was ‘significantly pleasing’ every week

 

[SainterinSydney]

Alan Richardson. Apparently he wants to hear him say his game was ‘significantly pleasing’ every week

G'day, Saints Fans.

All jokes aside, I met Richo and he was a very decent bloke. Just not a great coach.