List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[Curunir]

If NAS leaves I don't see how we can get an even somewhat reasonable return from either SA club

 

[Jade Buddha]

Exactly. Neither club has desirable assets.

Adelaide's first pick is going to be in the 20s. That's putrid. Adding Nas to their squad isnt going to make their future picks any better. Adding a B grader to crappy picks doesnt make those picks any better in a trade.

No club other than cellar teams have the assets to get Nas. It’s management of clubs that are inhaling the vapours off media hyperbole and trying to get fans excited about the current best players in the league because he may or may not go home.
They seem to think that throwing a few picks around gets it done. It’s all fantasy stuff.
It’s become a massive media beat up but they have nothing to lose by blowing their horns.

 

[Miha]

If NAS leaves I don't see how we can get an even somewhat reasonable return from either SA club

Unfortunately like most of these trades, we’ll have to cop it on the knob and watch membership numbers go to poo

 

[The Punter]

No club other than cellar teams have the assets to get Nas. It’s management of clubs that are inhaling the vapours off media hyperbole and trying to get fans excited about the current best players in the league because he may or may not go home.
They seem to think that throwing a few picks around gets it done. It’s all fantasy stuff.
It’s become a massive media beat up but they have nothing to lose by blowing their horns.

They have the assets - they just won't consider using them and the assets themselves can veto their use.

 

[BrutThough]

No club other than cellar teams have the assets to get Nas. It’s management of clubs that are inhaling the vapours off media hyperbole and trying to get fans excited about the current best players in the league because he may or may not go home.
They seem to think that throwing a few picks around gets it done. It’s all fantasy stuff.
It’s become a massive media beat up but they have nothing to lose by blowing their horns.

It's also on the player managers discussing potential moves without regard for how a trade gets done.

 

[Sully111]

I agree- it's a season where the club has gone nowhere again.

There's been some things to like and things to dislike.

We've played some absolutely horrendous football... again. With absolutely shocking skills and decision making.... again.

The positives for me are

Hall. Just a great pickup for the club.
Garcia. Taken his game to another level. We've been lacking in the midfield and Hugo looks to me like he can make a difference.
Tauru. Could be anything.

I think Higgins overall has had a very good season. Wilkie has been Wilkie again.

Obviously with Nas his form has skyrocketed. If he stays, his improvement has been a huge positive. If he leaves and we get shafted, it's all a bit shit really.

Our list management strategy is confusing at best.

Our fitness and medical team needs a review.

This whole Nas deal after the generally shitty season is draining. I know players need to look after themselves but I'd like to see some commitment and loyalty to the club. I'm not sure how responsible Sos is for that not being more apparent.

 

[OxSaint]

It's also on the player managers discussing potential moves without regard for how a trade gets done.

I think the hold up might be the worry the Adelaide clubs won’t be able to get this done. They are being given every opportunity to present an acceptable strategy to get this over the line.

 

[botts]

Just doing some reading on the pre season draft. I don’t think nas can refuse medical sat other clubs because the afl would consider that draft tampering. So I doubt any club can just walk him to the draft. He can choose to sit out for 12 months but that would cost him 1.4 mil. Also I would destroy Ben Williams reputations. Or am I dreaming?

 

[Captain Paddy]

Just doing some reading on the pre season draft. I don’t think nas can refuse medical sat other clubs because the afl would consider that draft tampering. So I doubt any club can just walk him to the draft. He can choose to sit out for 12 months but that would cost him 1.4 mil. Also I would destroy Ben Williams reputations. Or am I dreaming?

With how this is heading - reportedly all three clubs know nothing but all three clubs believe he is coming to them - Ben Williams rep is going to be dirt at two clubs anyway

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Geez you talk some utter garbage lol

What's incorrect?

 

[sauce_head]

Tom Morris “no one knows what nas wants to do, not even his closest friends. All 3 clubs are confident that he will be there (at their respective clubs)”

Sounds like Benny Williams is maximising his clients value.

But how does that help the sky is falling in local narrative?

 

[SinCitySainter]

With how this is heading - reportedly all three clubs know nothing but all three clubs believe he is coming to them - Ben Williams rep is going to be dirt at two clubs anyway

And when he secures Nas over 2m a season for 7 to 10 years his rep will be as a God with the players. If he has the players he couldn't care less if the clubs hate him.

 

[Thirsty_NeedBeer]

Tom Morris “no one knows what nas wants to do, not even his closest friends. All 3 clubs are confident that he will be there (at their respective clubs)”

Sounds like Benny Williams is maximising his clients value.

I’m now thinking Nas will be playing for all 3 clubs in 2026.

If all accounts are true, you would think Port would be the favourite now. There’s no way Williams would burn his bridges with them, seeing as he’s a Port nuffy.

 

[Saint believer]

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Club is taking the absolute piss with this

Maybe it is their farewell party!

 

[sauce_head]

So for those that don’t think you get anything by tanking. We are highly likely to finish above Port Adelaide this season. They will have an earlier PSD pick than us, and will therefore have additional leverage for any actual (because who bloody knows) NAS negotiations. If we tank hard for the last three rounds it could deliver us:

1. The retention of NAS
2. A pick prior to Carlton’s compensation pick when we recruit TDK
3. Maybe a pick prior to Essendon’s compensation pick if Draper leaves (the AFL will be keen to help the DC’s as much as possible, they always do)

The irony of the record come from behind victory may ultimately be that NAS leaves, we get inadequate compensation in return due to being above Port in the PSD, we finish higher than Essendon, Carlton, Melbourne and Port (maybe even Richmond) and the two potential compensation picks allocated to Carlton and Essendon, which is up to SEVEN places lower, ignoring academy and father son which are there regardless of our ladder position.

So in summary, lose and get less for our only top 5 player and potential future Brownlow Medalist and move down the draft by up to seven spots.

How very StKilda.

Tank hard now Saints. Tank very hard.

I mean, play the kids.

 

[mighty_sainters]

This Lions gun slid to pick No.31 in the draft. This is why

Michael Whiting finds out how and why Lions gun Logan Morris slid all the way to pick No.31 in the 2023 draft

t.co

Michael Whiting thinks he’s a bit clever here trying to throw shit on the club.

 

[Saints TV]

This Lions gun slid to pick No.31 in the draft. This is why

Michael Whiting finds out how and why Lions gun Logan Morris slid all the way to pick No.31 in the 2023 draft

t.co

Michael Whiting thinks he’s a bit clever here trying to throw shit on the club.

Mentioning Darcy like it's a bad decision haha the player that finished 4th in the Rising Star? Come off it.

 

[All Holmes]

This Lions gun slid to pick No.31 in the draft. This is why

Michael Whiting finds out how and why Lions gun Logan Morris slid all the way to pick No.31 in the 2023 draft

t.co

Michael Whiting thinks he’s a bit clever here trying to throw shit on the club.

Rightly so.

Collard looks a bust.

Surely Morris is homesick now though?

 

[_Maximus_12]

So what I am hearing is either way Ben is basically burning bridges with 2 clubs come end of season with the way this has been handled

It could be as simple as NAS wants to get home, he’s told his manager to get him the best deal possible at both clubs as he knows he’ll be signing there for 8+ years and he will then nominate the state, and not a specific club to give us a chance of adequate compensation.

 

[bergholt]

There's been some things to like and things to dislike.

We've played some absolutely horrendous football... again. With absolutely shocking skills and decision making.... again.

The positives for me are

Hall. Just a great pickup for the club.
Garcia. Taken his game to another level. We've been lacking in the midfield and Hugo looks to me like he can make a difference.
Tauru. Could be anything.

I think Higgins overall has had a very good season. Wilkie has been Wilkie again.

Obviously with Nas his form has skyrocketed. If he stays, his improvement has been a huge positive. If he leaves and we get shafted, it's all a bit shit really.

Our list management strategy is confusing at best.

Our fitness and medical team needs a review.

This whole Nas deal after the generally shitty season is draining. I know players need to look after themselves but I'd like to see some commitment and loyalty to the club. I'm not sure how responsible Sos is for that not being more apparent.

Even without Nas I think we're on the right path.

Future best 22 has these under-25s:

• Tauru - great start
• Boxshall - solid start
• Garcia - progressing well
• Phillipou - unlucky season but plenty in the tank
• Windhager - more progression
• Owens - bounced back from last year
• Caminiti - found his spot
• Hall - revelation
• Sharman - keeps improving
• King - very good if forgotten

Along with some of: Travaglia, Dodson, Wilson, Hastie, Keeler, Schoenmaker, Collard, Heath, O'Connell, Henry.

That's a core coming through fine.

No need to panic.

 

[CursingFijian]

Genuine question.

If we front-end a players contract and then trade him, do we get recompense for the money paid out in advance?

 

[Spider Eater]

Exactly. Neither club has desirable assets.

Adelaide's first pick is going to be in the 20s. That's putrid. Adding Nas to their squad isnt going to make their future picks any better. Adding a B grader to crappy picks doesnt make those picks any better in a trade.

We need a transfer fee in the AFL... the picks these 2 clubs have suck, give us 20 mil for NAS and at least we can clear the debt and have cash to invest in some assets.

 

[Windtagger]

tony74

 

[sauce_head]

Genuine question.

If we front-end a players contract and then trade him, do we get recompense for the money paid out in advance?

I don’t think so.

 

[Joffaboy]

Just doing some reading on the pre season draft. I don’t think nas can refuse medical sat other clubs because the afl would consider that draft tampering. So I doubt any club can just walk him to the draft. He can choose to sit out for 12 months but that would cost him 1.4 mil. Also I would destroy Ben Williams reputations. Or am I dreaming?

Because only the AFL can draft tamper.