Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVIII

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[CJMB]

Anyone thinking Voss can turn it around with new gun assistants is deluded imo. For a start, we wont get gun assistants under him. And secondly, he wont take any notice of them en if we do.

The only way i can rationalise whats happened today is that Wright has got Priestly on side for a longhaul, deepscrub of this club. I may personally hate corporate bankers, but lets not kid ourselves, Priestly obviously knows how to control a Board. Wright must know that Voss is way out of his depth, but he must also know that the tail has to stop wagging the dog too. And he must also know that the Board has to be sorted in some way that none of us can see accurately outside inherent biases.

If this is the case and Wright and Priestly have come to the conclusion that a deepscrub is needed, then forget the short term. It would be potentially great longterm for our Club, but forget the short and medium term.

Just as an aside, i think Brad and Vozzo are attempting this at *.

IF this is the case, then the first step would be burning next year to make a point. The tail aint wagging the Dog no more. Anyone want out, we'll facilitate...within reason. This would also drastically help with getting Cody naturally and not have to sell a player anyway.

Then next year we can cleanly move onto a new coach without breaking a contract...another point made.

Meanwhile Priestly holds up his end by doing what someone who is Chairman of an elite corporate bank can do...get his footy club Board in shape.

A deepscrub that the Club could unarguably get better from IF it works or happens.

It maybe me who is deluded, but it is the only logical thing i can come up with. Because Voss is a lot more than a few assistants away from being a competant AFL Coach.

Of course, if i was a player with options and i smelt this, which players and or the managers will, i'd be out of there. Hence potentially great longterm, but painful short and even medium term.

As usual, all we can do is sit and watch....with variable levels of enthusiasm.

My fear is that I see a lot more of what you’re describing than I do 2016 Tigers.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Anyone thinking Voss can turn it around with new gun assistants is deluded imo. For a start, we wont get gun assistants under him. And secondly, he wont take any notice of them en if we do.

The only way i can rationalise whats happened today is that Wright has got Priestly on side for a longhaul, deepscrub of this club. I may personally hate corporate bankers, but lets not kid ourselves, Priestly obviously knows how to control a Board. Wright must know that Voss is way out of his depth, but he must also know that the tail has to stop wagging the dog too. And he must also know that the Board has to be sorted in some way that none of us can see accurately outside inherent biases.

If this is the case and Wright and Priestly have come to the conclusion that a deepscrub is needed, then forget the short term. It would be potentially great longterm for our Club, but forget the short and medium term.

Just as an aside, i think Brad and Vozzo are attempting this at *.

IF this is the case, then the first step would be burning next year to make a point. The tail aint wagging the Dog no more. Anyone want out, we'll facilitate...within reason. This would also drastically help with getting Cody naturally and not have to sell a player anyway.

Then next year we can cleanly move onto a new coach without breaking a contract...another point made.

Meanwhile Priestly holds up his end by doing what someone who is Chairman of an elite corporate bank can do...get his footy club Board in shape.

A deepscrub that the Club could unarguably get better from IF it works or happens.

It maybe me who is deluded, but it is the only logical thing i can come up with. Because Voss is a lot more than a few assistants away from being a competant AFL Coach.

Of course, if i was a player with options and i smelt this, which players and or the managers will, i'd be out of there. Hence potentially great longterm, but painful short and even medium term.

As usual, all we can do is sit and watch....with variable levels of enthusiasm.

No offence TerryWallet as you are a good poster but you’re basically saying you know more about how to turn around the current situation at the club than Wright, someone who is in the club 24/7 for the lay last 22 12 months and also has been close to 2 different successful clubs in his time. I think we need to trust him to make the right decision bearing in mind if he is wrong his good reputation will take a considerable hammering.

 

[CJMB]

No offence TerryWallet as you are a good poster but you’re basically saying you know more about how to turn around the current situation at the club than Wright, someone who is in the club 24/7 for the lay 22 months and also has been close to 2 different successful clubs in his time. I think we need to trust him to make the right decision bearing in mind if he is wrong his good reputation will take a considerable hammering.

I think Terry trusts wright on turning it around, he’s just saying the turn may take a lot longer and be a lot harder than many had hoped

 

[TerryWallet]

I think Terry trusts wright on turning it around, he’s just saying the turn may take a lot longer and be a lot harder than many had hoped

Yep, i'm saying that that might be the conclusion that Wrights 9 months recconnaissance has come to. That they can still move Voss on next year, but meanwhile put some important internal stakepoints in the ground. And reap a few benefits along the way too.

But that it will be hard work. And may not even work even IF it is attempted.

I've also acknowledged that it might be me who is delusional lol.

How can we not be by now.

 

[Wickzki]

Yep, i'm saying that that might be the conclusion that Wrights 9 months recconnaissance has come to. That they can still move Voss on next year, but meanwhile put some important internal stakepoints in the ground. And reap a few benefits along the way too.

But that it will be hard work. And may not even work even IF it is attempted.

I've also acknowledged that it might be me who is delusional lol.

How can we not be by now.

FWIW, I think you're spot on about Scott at *. There's a massive culture shift at play over there. The long tenured are fighting it every step of the way hence the Hird bullshit earlier in the year but just as many, if not more, are actually for it.

For similar reasons, this is why I'm in support of this decision. It is the most un-Carlton decision they could have made. Therefore, there's a greater reason they moved the way that they did. Either, you're right and this is the long-term play or they know more about the inner workings of the club than we do (of course they do) and believe they know what will get the best results in the short term.

But it being the un-Carlton decision gives me hope. Otherwise, we're being fooled in a seemingly entirely new way.

I'm certain there's plenty of ruffled feathers out there right now.

 

[NYCFC]

FWIW, I think you're spot on about Scott at *. There's a massive culture shift at play over there. The long tenured are fighting it every step of the way hence the Hird bullshit earlier in the year but just as many, if not more, are actually for it.

For similar reasons, this is why I'm in support of this decision. It is the most un-Carlton decision they could have made. Therefore, there's a greater reason they moved the way that they did. Either, you're right and this is the long-term play or they know more about the inner workings of the club than we do (of course they do) and believe they know what will get the best results in the short term.

But it being the un-Carlton decision gives me hope. Otherwise, we're being fooled in a seemingly entirely new way.

I'm certain there's plenty of ruffled feathers out there right now.

The George Costanza Paradox. If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite must be right. I like it.

 

[RPCB]

Is that number the amount of reasons someone can come up with for wanting to sack Jordan Russell?

 

[Wickzki]

Is that number the amount of reasons someone can come up with for wanting to sack Jordan Russell?

Also the answer to: What is a skipworth

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Is that number the amount of reasons someone can come up with for wanting to sack Jordan Russell?

Are we playing mock the week?

 

[eltoro]

The board ratified Wright's decision, what do you think Wright based his decision on other than the current situation? He's not beholden to anyone or anything to do with the past.

How do you know that is what the board did? They have the power to take Wrights message under advisory and do whatever the hell they like it.

 

[ESKIE]

FWIW, I think you're spot on about Scott at *. There's a massive culture shift at play over there. The long tenured are fighting it every step of the way hence the Hird bullshit earlier in the year but just as many, if not more, are actually for it.

For similar reasons, this is why I'm in support of this decision. It is the most un-Carlton decision they could have made. Therefore, there's a greater reason they moved the way that they did. Either, you're right and this is the long-term play or they know more about the inner workings of the club than we do (of course they do) and believe they know what will get the best results in the short term.

But it being the un-Carlton decision gives me hope. Otherwise, we're being fooled in a seemingly entirely new way.

I'm certain there's plenty of ruffled feathers out there right now.

Really like this post

 

[Michael Jezz]

Anyone thinking Voss can turn it around with new gun assistants is deluded imo. For a start, we wont get gun assistants under him. And secondly, he wont take any notice of them en if we do.

The only way i can rationalise whats happened today is that Wright has got Priestly on side for a longhaul, deepscrub of this club. I may personally hate corporate bankers, but lets not kid ourselves, Priestly obviously knows how to control a Board. Wright must know that Voss is way out of his depth, but he must also know that the tail has to stop wagging the dog too. And he must also know that the Board has to be sorted in some way that none of us can see accurately outside inherent biases.

If this is the case and Wright and Priestly have come to the conclusion that a deepscrub is needed, then forget the short term. It would be potentially great longterm for our Club, but forget the short and medium term.

Just as an aside, i think Brad and Vozzo are attempting this at *.

IF this is the case, then the first step would be burning next year to make a point. The tail aint wagging the Dog no more. Anyone want out, we'll facilitate...within reason. This would also drastically help with getting Cody naturally and not have to sell a player anyway.

Then next year we can cleanly move onto a new coach without breaking a contract...another point made.

Meanwhile Priestly holds up his end by doing what someone who is Chairman of an elite corporate bank can do...get his footy club Board in shape.

A deepscrub that the Club could unarguably get better from IF it works or happens.

It maybe me who is deluded, but it is the only logical thing i can come up with. Because Voss is a lot more than a few assistants away from being a competant AFL Coach.

Of course, if i was a player with options and i smelt this, which players and or the managers will, i'd be out of there. Hence potentially great longterm, but painful short and even medium term.

As usual, all we can do is sit and watch....with variable levels of enthusiasm.

I have no faith in Priestley

 

[manang magoos]

A young coach is good, but one who played at the top level.

Not a teacher like Bolton and our AFLW coach who is also a teacher.

No teachers !!!!!!!! Had to have played at high level of AFL.

Rants O’hailpin

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

Yep, i'm saying that that might be the conclusion that Wrights 9 months recconnaissance has come to. That they can still move Voss on next year, but meanwhile put some important internal stakepoints in the ground. And reap a few benefits along the way too.

But that it will be hard work. And may not even work even IF it is attempted.

I've also acknowledged that it might be me who is delusional lol.

How can we not be by now.

We're clearly trying to do a Brisbane and the players haven't left yet, once they do then we can begin the rebuild in earnest.

 

[DollarsandSense]

Anyone thinking Voss can turn it around with new gun assistants is deluded imo. For a start, we wont get gun assistants under him. And secondly, he wont take any notice of them en if we do.

The only way i can rationalise whats happened today is that Wright has got Priestly on side for a longhaul, deepscrub of this club. I may personally hate corporate bankers, but lets not kid ourselves, Priestly obviously knows how to control a Board. Wright must know that Voss is way out of his depth, but he must also know that the tail has to stop wagging the dog too. And he must also know that the Board has to be sorted in some way that none of us can see accurately outside inherent biases.

If this is the case and Wright and Priestly have come to the conclusion that a deepscrub is needed, then forget the short term. It would be potentially great longterm for our Club, but forget the short and medium term.

Just as an aside, i think Brad and Vozzo are attempting this at *.

IF this is the case, then the first step would be burning next year to make a point. The tail aint wagging the Dog no more. Anyone want out, we'll facilitate...within reason. This would also drastically help with getting Cody naturally and not have to sell a player anyway.

Then next year we can cleanly move onto a new coach without breaking a contract...another point made.

Meanwhile Priestly holds up his end by doing what someone who is Chairman of an elite corporate bank can do...get his footy club Board in shape.

A deepscrub that the Club could unarguably get better from IF it works or happens.

It maybe me who is deluded, but it is the only logical thing i can come up with. Because Voss is a lot more than a few assistants away from being a competant AFL Coach.

Of course, if i was a player with options and i smelt this, which players and or the managers will, i'd be out of there. Hence potentially great longterm, but painful short and even medium term.

As usual, all we can do is sit and watch....with variable levels of

Terry, it’s way too thoughtful and makes too much sense. Your talents are wasted here.

 

[Yubby]

I would imagine that part of why Wright has suggested they retain Voss for the final year of his contract is simply because he has spoken to the senior experienced coaches that are available and none are interested.

Perhaps Longmire has said that he needs another 12 months break before he is willing to say Yes to another senior coaching job.

Faced with a decision between Voss for another 12 months or bringing in a new coach which then minimum becomes 3 years, the better choice was actually to retain him and fix the support around him, whilst giving yourself 12 months to see if a better candidate becomes available.

Equally, he recognises there's enough issues in other parts of the club that need to be addressed which will also play a part in elevating the entire football department up in performance. If a senior coach and a Bartel join as an assistand and football director, we can immediately expect better feedback and better counsel around Voss which i would pressume changes to a less stubborn Voss which has been one of the biggest criticisms of his tenure.

The biggest worry in all of this, is if these changes are enough to keep some of the supposed wantaway stars from leaving.

If i was Wright, i'd be saying to Voss, "We'll keep you for next year but we must see changes in XYZ for this to work. Are you prepared to committ to making these changes, otherwise we part ways now?". Then sharing the agreed committment to XYZ that hopefully sways the wantaways to give it more time knowing the support is changing too. XYZ could be on game plan, player selection, training methods etc.

 

[ajs071]

VOSS THE BOSS!!!!!!

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Now compare JR and how he coaches our forward to how Adrian Hickmott coaches the hawks forward line setup.

Hickmott should be our no.1 target as senior assistant for 2026 with even handshake agreement if things don’t go to plan he will succeed Vossy.

this.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

ITKs become IDKs?

In the Know -> Off Ya Go

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I have no faith in Priestley

I think next year is going to be another waisted opportunity like the previous 3.5.

Might be a good time to rearrange the top heavy playing list. But I think if Voss was unable to be surrounded by quality assistants in the past, why would that change now.?
Especially with his tenure being on very thin ice.

We might get lucky by replacing all the line coaches with great newbies, but that would be impressive work by Wright and co.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Anyone thinking Voss can turn it around with new gun assistants is deluded imo. For a start, we wont get gun assistants under him. And secondly, he wont take any notice of them en if we do.

The only way i can rationalise whats happened today is that Wright has got Priestly on side for a longhaul, deepscrub of this club. I may personally hate corporate bankers, but lets not kid ourselves, Priestly obviously knows how to control a Board. Wright must know that Voss is way out of his depth, but he must also know that the tail has to stop wagging the dog too. And he must also know that the Board has to be sorted in some way that none of us can see accurately outside inherent biases.

If this is the case and Wright and Priestly have come to the conclusion that a deepscrub is needed, then forget the short term. It would be potentially great longterm for our Club, but forget the short and medium term.

Just as an aside, i think Brad and Vozzo are attempting this at *.

IF this is the case, then the first step would be burning next year to make a point. The tail aint wagging the Dog no more. Anyone want out, we'll facilitate...within reason. This would also drastically help with getting Cody naturally and not have to sell a player anyway.

Then next year we can cleanly move onto a new coach without breaking a contract...another point made.

Meanwhile Priestly holds up his end by doing what someone who is Chairman of an elite corporate bank can do...get his footy club Board in shape.

A deepscrub that the Club could unarguably get better from IF it works or happens.

It maybe me who is deluded, but it is the only logical thing i can come up with. Because Voss is a lot more than a few assistants away from being a competant AFL Coach.

Of course, if i was a player with options and i smelt this, which players and or the managers will, i'd be out of there. Hence potentially great longterm, but painful short and even medium term.

As usual, all we can do is sit and watch....with variable levels of enthusiasm.

I think a major insight into GW's longer term plan will lie in who is appointed senior assistant.

 

[Matty411]

Now let's go out there and sign a great footy director, footy manager and assistants.

Aim to emulate the Tigers' 2017 turnaround and get the right damn person to open Voss's mind to growth/modern game plans.

Oh, also - fix the balance of the list and get their collective heads on the same page in one pre-season.

Please and thank you.

 

[lily of laguna]

The dichotomy of Voss staying vs what we see in game style, structures, and mindset when we are under pressure is making this latest news on the decision to keep Voss is a real head scratcher.

No doubt Voss has handled himself well under extreme pressure lately, players don’t show a lot of grit and he may not have a great set of assistants but ultimately what we see on game day IS on Voss.

Keeping him as head coach for next year and getting some new assistants and a different footy department structure may be seen as enough change and at least show GW Voss’s true ceiling.

For us fans though, it’s a lot to trust this as a strategy and there is so much speculation on what the motive or strategy is behind the decision.

 

[katmanblue]

Yeah,i agree.Enough of the old ex blue boys holding roles at the club.
We need experienced fresh heads.

It's why need to go after Adrian Hickmott.

Wait a minute...

 

[jackn]

Going to be interesting in here next week if the suns put us to the sword

The one positive about the news is no dead cat bounce. Suns can slaughter us as expected and put us below sos on the ladder and likely get Collingwoods spot in the top 4 (by the final round).