Recommitted Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera - two year extension

[119others]

A few reasons:

• To continue playing with his housemate
• To be part of a club that is improving, not going off a cliff
• To play at a club that will be able to bring in other young talent to play alongside that will further improve the team. St Kilda has their first round pick and won’t need to trade anything to keep NAS.

In contrast Port Adelaide doesn’t have a first round pick & will likely have to request an exemption to existing rules from the AFL to trade their 2026 & 2027 first rounders to St Kilda to have enough trade capital for the Saints to let him go

Much going into this over coming weeks and months. Will be fascinating to watch the most scrutinised trade in Australian sporting history. The media will continue to report on it fairly and objectively as they certainly have so far

But you have basically nailed it here. certainly re the dot points re why stay at Saints and avoid Power, but also the inherent difficulties Power will face if trading for him. You cant trade for a top 3 player in the league like Nas when you have no first rounder this year and no ability to trade nexts years first either, esp considering they have Cochrane coming through likely to go pick 1-2 in neat years draft. You need 4 picks in the 20's (draft value index wise) to get a pick 2 player with the requisite discount and its almost impossible to achieve this without giving up something of value eg not trading for Nas or losing Butters for FA compensation.

Teams need to make hard decisions here as this trade is going to cost big bikkies - I have had this confirmed through an impeccable source this week. Crows will need to give up 3 x firsts - wow!, costly but I am happy to take a gamble here with our list in the best ever shape and realistically having well over 30 AFL quality players and 20+ worth first or second rounders value wise (as proven with analysis a few days ago). Power need to make hard list management decisions here also as they dont have a first rounder in 2025 and no ability to trade 2026 first either. Do they lose a big player like Butters to get Nas? Do they forego a young prospect or 2 like Pilot and Cochrane.

I am just pointing out without magic beans teams have finite resources to achieve all their list management objectives. I am thankful, irrespective of Nas and his ultimate decision, to have a list that is complete. There is no glaring holes like a gorilla forward, small forwards, quality distributing half backs, strong and though KPD, a developing elite third tall defender etc. Will let Power fans answer whether they are happy with their list and if theres any holes in it as they know it better than me

Bring on trade period already! And IF he stays, I am genuinely very happy for Saints fans as I know how much it hurts losing elite players (trust me Crows know this more than basically anyone). All Saints fans can ask for is fair and equitable compensation if he leaves and not be bent over

 

[119others]

I think both south Australian clubs started chasing him last season and were not really expecting him to have the breakout level season he is having this year which have left both of them struggling for sufficient assets to get it done , especially port who have high level nga father son picks coming up that has them in a near impossible situation

look thats 100% correct. Crows were into him last year (confirmed) and were always going to come again this year. Nas has exceeded I would think everyones expectation by being the most exciting young prospect since Chris Judd exploded on to the scene 20-25 years ago. Makes all teams want him even more but clearly the cost is now going up exponentially. Its going to cost in all ways - both $$, contract term, and unprecedented trade collateral if he leaves. From that perspective Saints are best placed but unfortunately - and genuinely in the most respectful way possible - the fact he is unsigned so late in the season historically doesnt bode well for him staying. A betting person would think he is likely gone based on that (but who really knows I suppose)

How do you honestly see things mate? Still confident he stays or thinking he may be gone?

 

[HairyO]

Pretty quiet was NAS today. Only 33 posse’s and 1 goal. Probably getting him for just our 2026 1st after that!

Saints had 8 players get 100+ points in a game where they kicked 8 goals.

50 possessions per goal. It was an exercise in stat padding where they only barely beat Richmond. Noone is putting that game on their CV.

 

[GoRoos2023]

Melbourne offered 3 x first round picks for Harley Reid before he played a game.


Nasiah is worth 3 top ten picks minimum.

Anything less Saints would call Nasiahs bluff and threaten to send him to the Pre Season Draft, obviously that won’t happen and they will get another 2 years with him.

Nasiah and his manager are not going to want the drama, I don’t expect he is that homesick with his output.

I just cannot see a world where Port could get the collateral here.

Will stay at Saints imho

 

[rye]

Melbourne offered 3 x first round picks for Harley Reid before he played a game.


Nasiah is worth 3 top ten picks minimum.

Anything less Saints would call Nasiahs bluff and threaten to send him to the Pre Season Draft, obviously that won’t happen and they will get another 2 years with him.

Nasiah and his manager are not going to want the drama, I don’t expect he is that homesick with his output.

I just cannot see a world where Port could get the collateral here.

Will stay at Saints imho

lol.

this thread lost its mind a while ago but this is next level hyperbole.

 

[119others]

Melbourne offered 3 x first round picks for Harley Reid before he played a game.


Nasiah is worth 3 top ten picks minimum.

Anything less Saints would call Nasiahs bluff and threaten to send him to the Pre Season Draft, obviously that won’t happen and they will get another 2 years with him.

Nasiah and his manager are not going to want the drama, I don’t expect he is that homesick with his output.

I just cannot see a world where Port could get the collateral here.

Will stay at Saints imho

Mate I agree he is worth more than any other player historically and that it will be the most scrutinised trade in Australian sporting history.

But how feasible is it really to get 3 x top 10 picks? I would say close to impossible without selling 2 elite talents of your own. For example, Crows sell Rachele would get a likely top 10 pick and sell Thilthorpe they would get 2 x top 10 picks. Similar for Power selling Butters would get 2 x top 10 picks and JHF would get one (and possibly a second rounder)

But neither Crows or Power are going to be selling MULTIPLE of their own elite players. Even if Nas was worth 3 x top 10 picks (and that is overs IMHO and I have been the one consistently saying how valuable he is and SA teams need to be prepared to pay up like never before) but theres not any feasible way Saints would get 3 x top 10 picks

And from a List Mgt perspective, its pure stupidity to walk away from 3 x first rounders (clearly not all top 10) and send him to the PSD for nothing. Their fans would storm the joint and importantly the AFL wont allow this to happen in the first place as Saints are one of the most subsidised clubs in VIC and theres no prospect the AFL lets them walk away from strong compo like 3 x first rounders that Crows or Power offer up (this last point re AFL not allowing it has been confirmed to me this week)

History says players unsigned this late in the year are almost certainly gone but Nas could be different - who knows - fascinating watching this unfold

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Melbourne offered 3 x first round picks for Harley Reid before he played a game.


Nasiah is worth 3 top ten picks minimum.

Anything less Saints would call Nasiahs bluff and threaten to send him to the Pre Season Draft, obviously that won’t happen and they will get another 2 years with him.

Nasiah and his manager are not going to want the drama, I don’t expect he is that homesick with his output.

I just cannot see a world where Port could get the collateral here.

Will stay at Saints imho

St kilda are not going to get what he's worth in a trade and that's just reality. I dont agree with it but its the system we have. 90 % of the posts in this thread are a waste of time.

 

[beside the seaside]

St kilda are not going to get what he's worth in a trade and that's just reality. I dont agree with it but its the system we have. 90 % of the posts in this thread are a waste of time.

Of course we won't get his value but by the same token we aren't going to take a couple of rubbish future picks from 26 and 27. The suggestions from Port fans are seriously embarrassing and not in the realms of reality. There is no doubt that we will want multiple top ten picks for him, he's one of the guns of the competition you can't just get him for nothing it really just doesn't work like that. Port fans are absolutely deluded here. I think he'll re-sign anyway which is going to give them a bit of a shock as many of their fans are acting like they already have him.

 

[PearLover5]

Teams need to make hard decisions here as this trade is going to cost big bikkies - I have had this confirmed through an impeccable source this week.

Thank god you confirmed this through your impeccable source.
Here I was thinking we’d get him for some leftover chips. Damn it!

 

[The Blue Max]

Can the Mods put this Dumpster fire out for good please? It’s clogging my feed!

 

[Mostyn]

He'll choose Port and they'll trade Bergman (who has his guaranteed overs contract, and gets to where he was always going) and Joe Berry.

 

[QPower]

He'll choose Port and they'll trade Bergman (who has his guaranteed overs contract, and gets to where he was always going) and Joe Berry.

Doubt it would be two players.

More likely a player and a pick.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Of course we won't get his value but by the same token we aren't going to take a couple of rubbish future picks from 26 and 27. The suggestions from Port fans are seriously embarrassing and not in the realms of reality. There is no doubt that we will want multiple top ten picks for him, he's one of the guns of the competition you can't just get him for nothing it really just doesn't work like that. Port fans are absolutely deluded here. I think he'll re-sign anyway which is going to give them a bit of a shock as many of their fans are acting like they already have him.

While some of the stuff they post is rubbish the reality is you won't get top 10 picks because the clubs he will nominate dont have them. And while its unfortunate these drafts coming up are compromised it doesn't change what he will be traded for. The only way for you guys to get good value for him is to keep him. If he goes it won't be nothing but it will be for relative unders.

 

[Count_Zero]

While some of the stuff they post is rubbish the reality is you won't get top 10 picks because the clubs he will nominate dont have them. And while its unfortunate these drafts coming up are compromised it doesn't change what he will be traded for. The only way for you guys to get good value for him is to keep him. If he goes it won't be nothing but it will be for relative unders.

I feel that if Port weren't so stubborn then they could have the assets to trade for Nas, their stance on Butters is what might cost them in the end.

 

[JUSTWORK]

I feel that if Port weren't so stubborn then they could have the assets to trade for Nas, their stance on Butters is what might cost them in the end.

Yea, not wanting to trade a contract Zak Butters is being "stubborn"

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I feel that if Port weren't so stubborn then they could have the assets to trade for Nas, their stance on Butters is what might cost them in the end.

To be fair if you were a new coach you wouldn't trade butters unless he was adamant he wanted to go either. Nas is also ooc so they dont have to trade players to get him.

 

[Buget]

I feel that if Port weren't so stubborn then they could have the assets to trade for Nas, their stance on Butters is what might cost them in the end.

For publicly saying that they are not wanting to trade their best player, Port are being stubborn? Right. Remember, NWM hasn’t even said he wants to leave yet. And given his form, there are probably 17 club that dream of having him in their teams.

I feel that that if the Saints weren’t so stubborn then they could have the assets to build a really competitive team. Their stance on NWM is what might cost them in the end.

I have no doubt that both Adelaide and Port have spoken to NWM management, but until he declares his hand, how can you call a club stubborn? Because they don’t want to participate in hypothetical trades with the media?

 

[Count_Zero]

I have no doubt that both Adelaide and Port have spoken to NWM management, but until he declares his hand, how can you call a club stubborn? Because they don’t want to participate in hypothetical trades with the media?

Not hypothetical at all, Port have stated that both Bergman and Butters will be at Port next year. What hand does that leave Port, If they didn't come out and make such a stubborn stance then they could of been viewed as having wiggle room to make a deal that made both clubs satisfied, not fair but satisfied. I feel Adelaide have the correct stance and not ruling anything out before a decision has been made.

 

[Mostyn]

Doubt it would be two players.

More likely a player and a pick.

You don't have a first this year and you can't trade your first next year due to the two picks in 4 years rule.

 

[Mostyn]

Yea, not wanting to trade a contract Zak Butters is being "stubborn"

It is still reasonably likely that Butters could go this off-season. He'll be aggressively pursued, he knows he's going in the future and it would suit Port Adelaide to do it now. Butters just needs the right team to be able to get a deal done.

 

[Count_Zero]

To be fair if you were a new coach you wouldn't trade butters unless he was adamant he wanted to go either. Nas is also ooc so they dont have to trade players to get him.

If you are referring to the PSD, that has been debated to the nth degree and I really doubt anyone is satisfied with that outcome but the Eagles. Port will need to trade picks and players, it's up to them how much they want to entice Nas to there club because Crows would be more than happy to swoop in.

 

[119others]

It is still reasonably likely that Butters could go this off-season. He'll be aggressively pursued, he knows he's going in the future and it would suit Port Adelaide to do it now. Butters just needs the right team to be able to get a deal done.

IMO Butters would prefer to leave next year as a RFA. Allows all potential clubs (Hawks, Bullies etc) a year to prepare. The fact his Manager came out proactively in recent days and saying his client isn’t prepared to leave as part of any deal for NWM.

Butters would be perfect as a core part of the NWM trade. But Butters ain’t leaving this year - it’s been confirmed

 

[Tasmanian saint]

To be fair if you were a new coach you wouldn't trade butters unless he was adamant he wanted to go either. Nas is also ooc so they dont have to trade players to get him.

They will have to trade players if they don’t get granted permission to trade there future firsts

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They will have to trade players if they don’t get granted permission to trade there future firsts

Wont happen. We dont have push trades and players and managers now have too much power for that. Realistically you will get picks for him (probably 2 first rounders and later picks as I imagine the afl will bend rules to allow port to trade them) but you won't get more.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If you are referring to the PSD, that has been debated to the nth degree and I really doubt anyone is satisfied with that outcome but the Eagles. Port will need to trade picks and players, it's up to them how much they want to entice Nas to there club because Crows would be more than happy to swoop in.

He will nominate one club and they will get stuck dealing with that club. There won't be an auction this is how it always is.