Rumour Rumors of cat player in big trouble

[MC Extra Dollop]

The cat is already out of the bag nature of the suppression order is really a giant issue. Why pretend its some massive secret at this stage?

Thats the confusing aspect of it. If everyone knows about it what are you protecting here?

Because everyone doesn't know about it. People on Big Footy and people who are committed to do a bit of digging know about it.

If I went around to my in-laws place for dinner tomorrow and asked around the table if anyone had heard of this player, I'd be surprised if any had. As soon as the suppression is lifted, if I go round for dinner after that and asked them if they could name five Geelong players, he'd probably be one of them.

That's the difference and it's something that Big Footy posters seem to have a difficult time grasping.

 

[mighty_lions]

Because everyone doesn't know about it. People on Big Footy and people who are committed to do a bit of digging know about it.

If I went around to my in-laws place for dinner tomorrow and asked around the table if anyone had heard of this player, I'd be surprised if any had. As soon as the suppression is lifted, if I go round for dinner after that and asked them if they could name five Geelong players, he'd probably be one of them.

That's the difference and it's something that Big Footy posters seem to have a difficult time grasping.

he should be named, the other party was named, this suppression order to protect the victim is BS, it is doing absolutely nothing

How does your in laws knowing the Geelong player name change anything ?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

he should be named, the other party was named, this suppression order to protect the victim is BS, it is doing absolutely nothing

How does your in laws knowing the Geelong player name change anything ?

It obviously helps the correct outcome to ultimately be achieved. If my in laws (passive AFL supporters in general) know his name, then most of the general public know his name.

The other party being named wasn't full front page news like this would be. I don't remember his name and I don't care. A senior AFL player is obviously a different situation: it increases the attention on the case a hundredfold and jeopardises the integrity of the legal process and outcome.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Nope but he will be quietly delisted at the end of the season irrespective of his contract.

No chance the club cannot do this in case this goes the jack de belin path unless they want to get sued for millions.
He will be on the list til 2027 unless the case is done by then.

 

[iameviljez]

It obviously helps the correct outcome to ultimately be achieved. If my in laws (passive AFL supporters in general) know his name, then most of the general public know his name.

The other party being named wasn't full front page news like this would be. I don't remember his name and I don't care. A senior AFL player is obviously a different situation: it increases the attention on the case a hundredfold and jeopardises the integrity of the legal process and outcome.

You only needed to see the mushroom murder case to see just how difficult it was to contain the jury and control the flow of information

 

[mighty_lions]

It obviously helps the correct outcome to ultimately be achieved. If my in laws (passive AFL supporters in general) know his name, then most of the general public know his name.

The other party being named wasn't full front page news like this would be. I don't remember his name and I don't care. A senior AFL player is obviously a different situation: it increases the attention on the case a hundredfold and jeopardises the integrity of the legal process and outcome.

This is a misconception, if it ever got to a point where a jury would be bias towards a defendant, the defence can request a judge only trial, it rarely happens because it only takes 1 juror to get you off

show me a case thats been too high profile that has been jeopardised by naming the accused...there isn't any

 

[mighty_lions]

You're very unhappy today aren't you.

bizarre post

 

[WOFTAMWarrior]

Those two things were effectively self reported by the players though. There are tons of open secrets well known across the industry that haven't seen the light of day in the media.

The AFL control access to accreditation. Getting on the wrong side of them potentially means career over for a footy journo.

That’s exactly what I was thinking. The AFL has probably given them an option. Report nothing until allowed and you keep your accreditation. Decide to go rouge and you’ll never receive an accreditation again.

 

[parano1a]

When is the trial date?

 

[fpm84]

When is the trial date?

It hasn’t even been established if the case will go to trial. The next court date is a committal hearing in September.

 

[WillHayward]

The cat is already out of the bag nature of the suppression order is really a giant issue. Why pretend its some massive secret at this stage?

Thats the confusing aspect of it. If everyone knows about it what are you protecting here?

This is interesting because a lot of the old "suppression order" concepts pre date the internet.

Its really very difficult to enforce this sort of stuff in this day and age.

You are right. Sometimes I think the courts are just pissing in the wind now.

 

[iameviljez]

This is interesting because a lot of the old "suppression order" concepts pre date the internet.

Its really very difficult to enforce this sort of stuff in this day and age.

You are right. Sometimes I think the courts are just pissing in the wind now.

Agree, but thus far it has kept knowledge of the situation relatively under wraps, at least outside of the BigFooty AFL nuff-nuff world.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

he should be named, the other party was named, this suppression order to protect the victim is BS, it is doing absolutely nothing

How does your in laws knowing the Geelong player name change anything ?

...and are the in-laws having the mushrooms ??

 

[The Feeder Club]

and jeopardises the integrity of the legal process and outcome.

Except most other jurisdictions with comparable justice systems seem to manage just fine.

As has been well shown already in this thread, Victoria is an outlier in it's overuse of suppression orders

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

Except most other jurisdictions with comparable justice systems seem to manage just fine.

As has been well shown already in this thread, Victoria is an outlier in it's overuse of suppression orders

Nah, plenty in and outside Vic, here's some high profile ones off the top of my head; Lehrmenn second alleged rape (maybe even first?), Tie me kangaroo down sport pedo dude and old campaigner Pell...

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

he should be named, the other party was named, this suppression order to protect the victim is BS, it is doing absolutely nothing

How does your in laws knowing the Geelong player name change anything ?

What does naming him achieve?

 

[mighty_lions]

What does naming him achieve?

what does naming the other person involved achieve? its either every person in society is not named or everyone is named

 

[Wojcinski]

what does naming the other person involved achieve? its either every person in society is not named or everyone is named

you have by far the most posts in this thread and they're all pretty much saying the same thing

why

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Who broke the Essendon story again? It wasn't a footy journo that is for sure. Healy took it to the AFL and they gave him the nothing to see here treatment. It was the crime reporters from the Age who broke the story.

The first journalist to go public with it was Damien Barrett, with a feature interview with Kyle Reimers.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

what does naming the other person involved achieve? its either every person in society is not named or everyone is named

If you can’t see why they aren’t naming him for the benefit of the victim then you’ve just got no idea.

Imagine if you were sexually assaulted, got the courage to report it, then every day in the paper or online you had to see the person and hear random people say how he didn’t do it.

There’s literally no benefit to naming him.

 

[iameviljez]

If you can’t see why they aren’t naming him for the benefit of the victim then you’ve just got no idea.

Imagine if you were sexually assaulted, got the courage to report it, then every day in the paper or online you had to see the person and hear random people say how he didn’t do it.

There’s literally no benefit to naming him.

Yeah, exactly. A friend of mine was sexually assaulted almost 20 years ago and still struggles with traumatic memories when high-profile rape cases like the Bruce Lehrmann or Grace Tame cases dominate the media.

God only knows what that would be like if that was your assailant being splashed all over the newspaper, social media, etc etc day after day.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Yeah, exactly. A friend of mine was sexually assaulted almost 20 years ago and still struggles with traumatic memories when high-profile rape cases like the Bruce Lehrmann or Grace Tame cases dominate the media.

God only knows what that would be like if that was your assailant being splashed all over the newspaper, social media, etc etc day after day.

Plus let’s be honest footy fans aren’t the most logical bunch overall
Not saying any fans I know and cats fans on here want the book thrown at the player if found guilty but there will always be a vocal minority who will defend someone because they play for a club they support

Imagine some poor person getting flamed online for “making it up”, “just in it for the money” ect by vocal nuffies

It’s the type of stuff that make victims 2nd guess reporting crimes in the first place

 

[iameviljez]

Plus let’s be honest footy fans aren’t the most logical bunch overall
Not saying any fans I know and cats fans on here want the book thrown at the player if found guilty but there will always be a vocal minority who will defend someone because they play for a club they support

Imagine some poor person getting flamed online for “making it up”, “just in it for the money” ect by vocal nuffies

It’s the type of stuff that make victims 2nd guess reporting crimes in the first place

I have seen the various Geelong Supporter facebook groups occasionally conversing about this kind of thing (and the proposed recruitment of Tarryn Thomas a while back), and yes, you are sadly correct.

 

[foxdog50]

Any news on when his next date is for a chat for some advice?

 

[largebus]

Any news on when his next date is for a chat for some advice?

No, but Patrick Sinnott is listed to appear next Thursday.