Which side fails to play in September?

[dmac_55]

If Brisbane do miss the eight it should put to bed forever the unmitigated drivel you read all over this site that the uneven fixturing doesn't influence who plays finals or wins premierships.
They have had the hardest draw across the season, by some margin.
Would it finally wake up the idiots running the comp to overhaul fixturing if it happens?

Also have had 1 less home game than the Crows and Dockers.

Although based off our form at the Gabba that may be a positive

 

[dean33]

They don’t actually do that with the fixture, it would be good if they did but they don’t. Crows play Power twice a year regardless, Carlton plays Collingwood twice a year regardless, same with the WA teams, Queensland and NSW’s teams too. Dogs always play Saints and Roos and Giants twice a year regardless. In fact there is a real stale sameness about the AFL fixture the last decade and not even close to bottom 6, middle 6, top 6 double ups.

Agree the double ups for derbys and rivalries compromise it even more. The group of 6 should be used extensively but they just use as a guide. Fixture is compromised like everything else including father sons and academies. Never gonna have a 100% fair system.

 

[daniel_4tw]

The issue with playing everyone once is that you may just luck out and get all the dangerous sides at home. People would still whinge.

Switch who you play home vs away each year.

While still have teams rising and falling year to year, should even itself up.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

The solution is fairly simple; every team you play once it is for 8 points and everyone you play twice you play for 4 points. this means you play all teams for 8 points.

This is a joke right?

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

Would really fly in the face of the whole “home state” argument used against Geelong though.

GC v Brisbane would get a bigger crowed at the Gabba and is in GC home state so it should be played there.

Why do Geelong think they are the only team in this situation? None of the Marvel tenants get a final at Marvel

 

[RonnieRaven]

Also have had 1 less home game than the Crows and Dockers.

Although based off our form at the Gabba that may be a positive

But pies supporters say they don’t count as home games because your the away team

 

[Purple Suit]

Why do Geelong think they are the only team in this situation? None of the Marvel tenants get a final at Marvel

Geelong play home games at the G so it is their home. Marvel tenants who don’t have a bigger claim on getting stitched up.

 

[The Tilt]

Why do Geelong think they are the only team in this situation? None of the Marvel tenants get a final at Marvel

It's also not equivalent to the GC situation. Geelong play home games at the MCG. GC don't at the Gabba.

 

[Hobbes]

Brisbane, GWS, Port, Essendon, Richmond & St Kilda

In theory, this was a toughish draw. Three teams from the top six, befitting a prelim finalist. Two from the middle-six, one from the bottom six.

But, anybody could see that it wasn’t. Port was widely tipped as a team to fall, possibly out of the eight. Essendon and St Kilda were 11th and 12th and widely tipped to fall. Richmond was tipped by many to be almost winless.

The other four teams in the middle-six - Carlton, Hawthorn, Collingwood and Fremantle - were widely tipped for big things. Carlton flopped but the others have risen.

In the bottom six, Gold Coast, Melbourne and Adelaide were widely tipped to rise. GC and Adelaide have exceeded expectations.

I would say that seven teams in the bottom twelve were tipped to improve, and Geelong drew none of them.

 

[catstorm]

Why do Geelong think they are the only team in this situation? None of the Marvel tenants get a final at Marvel

I never thought it only related to Geelong nor did I ever say it did.

However it has impacted Geelong to a greater extent than any other team. Simply due to the regularity of Geelong being in finals as compared to Marvel teams.

I also go for Geelong and therefore use Geelong as an example. However another example of this is clearly last year when the Bulldogs were forced to play at the MCG against Hawthorn.

 

[catstorm]

It's also not equivalent to the GC situation. Geelong play home games at the MCG. GC don't at the Gabba.

How many times must this argument be debunked.

The AFL forces Geelong to host games at the MCG, it is not by choice. Which has at this point been argued down to 1 per season. The club has said publicly they request all home games to be at Kardinia park.

The example is clearly directly equivalent. You know it is but are being deliberately obtuse because you can’t come up with a logical argument for why Gold Coast and GWS should get home finals and Geelong or any Marvel teams shouldn’t. (Just for you The Slitherin' Snake)

 

[The Feeder Club]

How many times must this argument be debunked.

The AFL forces Geelong to host games at the MCG, it is not by choice. Which has at this point been argued down to 1 per season. The club has said publicly they request all home games to be at Kardinia park.

The example is clearly directly equivalent. You know it is but are being deliberately obtuse because you can’t come up with a logical argument for why Gold Coast and GWS should get home finals and Geelong or any Marvel teams shouldn’t. (Just for you The Slitherin' Snake)

Isn't it a result of the AFL having to renegotiate the MCG agreement?

From memory, which may be incomplete, the old agreement was both prelims had to be played at the MCG regardless of team position or location, leading to at least one nonVic team having to play a 'home' prelim at the MCG.

To negotiate their way out of that farce the AFL then had to promise to host a certain number of finals at the MCG every decade or something, so almost always if a Vic team hosts a final it is at the MCG to get the numbers up to honour that agreement

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

Isn't it a result of the AFL having to renegotiate the MCG agreement?

From memory, which may be incomplete, the old agreement was both prelims had to be played at the MCG regardless of team position or location, leading to at least one nonVic team having to play a 'home' prelim at the MCG.

To negotiate their way out of that farce the AFL then had to promise to host a certain number of finals at the MCG every decade or something, so almost always if a Vic team hosts a final it is at the MCG to get the numbers up to honour that agreement

Yeah its something like that. Also the reality is, you get bigger crowds at the MCG. I don't think there has been a recent MCG final that has had a smaller crowd than Marvel's maximum capacity

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

No chance suns would meet. Brisbane at the gabba if they were to meet in finals and Suns finish higher. Ridiculous to even think that. Play a home game away because of more fans. It's not the MCG.

 

[mighty_lions]

Would really fly in the face of the whole “home state” argument used against Geelong though.

GC v Brisbane would get a bigger crowed at the Gabba and is in GC home state so it should be played there.

it would be marginally bigger 36k vs 21k, there's a massive difference between 35k gmhba and 93k at mcg

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Would really fly in the face of the whole “home state” argument used against Geelong though.

GC v Brisbane would get a bigger crowed at the Gabba and is in GC home state so it should be played there.

Yeah sure. What are you on?


Lol.

 

[catstorm]

Yeah sure. What are you on?


Lol.

You're missing the point of what I said entirely.

Of course it is absurd to suggest Gold Coast play Brisbane in Brisbane.

It's equally absurd to suggest it is fair for Geelong to play Collingwood at the MCG, yet everyone is fine with one but objects to the other.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

 

[VolgaBoatman]

You're missing the point of what I said entirely.

Of course it is absurd to suggest Gold Coast play Brisbane in Brisbane.

It's equally absurd to suggest it is fair for Geelong to play Collingwood at the MCG, yet everyone is fine with one but objects to the other.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

It could actually happen that they need to play at the Gabba, as much as that disadvantages GC to maximise the possible crowd.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

It could actually happen that they need to play at the Gabba, as much as that disadvantages GC to maximise the possible crowd.

No chance.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

You're missing the point of what I said entirely.

Of course it is absurd to suggest Gold Coast play Brisbane in Brisbane.

It's equally absurd to suggest it is fair for Geelong to play Collingwood at the MCG, yet everyone is fine with one but objects to the other.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Geelong play home games at the MCG and it is one of their home grounds. That is fact.

Gold Coast play all of their home games at People First or in Darwin. They’ve never played a home game at the Gabba.

There is a marginal difference with Gold Coast hosting about 27-28k at People First and 42k at the Gabba. 14k difference.

Geelong hosting at GMHBA is 40k, compared to the 95k-100k at the MCG.

The difference is between 55-60k, which is a massive amount.

The differences between these two, is the capacity difference in Geelong/MCG is much greater than Gabba/People First. The biggest however is the fact Gold Coast hasn’t ever hosted a game at the Gabba. Hence why it’s ridiculous to suggest any similarities.

 

[catstorm]

Geelong play home games at the MCG and it is one of their home grounds. That is fact.

Gold Coast play all of their home games at People First or in Darwin. They’ve never played a home game at the Gabba.

There is a marginal difference with Gold Coast hosting about 27-28k at People First and 42k at the Gabba. 14k difference.

Geelong hosting at GMHBA is 40k, compared to the 95k-100k at the MCG.

The difference is between 55-60k, which is a massive amount.

The differences between these two, is the capacity difference in Geelong/MCG is much greater than Gabba/People First. The biggest however is the fact Gold Coast hasn’t ever hosted a game at the Gabba. Hence why it’s ridiculous to suggest any similarities.

Crowd numbers are irrelevant in the face of integrity for every other professional sport in the world. But not for the AFL it would seem.

When Man City drew Bournemouth in the FA cup qrt finals they played the match at Bournemouth. A stadium that holds only 11,000 people. It wouldn’t even cross the minds of them to go well City has a bigger ground so let’s play it there instead.

Also AGAIN when you are forced to do something against your will that can’t be used as an argument against you.
Geelong are forced to play MCG games mostly to cover for clubs like yours selling games to Tassie or other places.

I’m actually baffled you can’t see the clear integrity issue here, but then again as a direct beneficiary of this advantage you of course are happy with the status quo.

But I will leave you with this one seeing as you are so hung up on the single home game a year Geelong has at the MCG. Last year the Bulldogs did not play a single home game at the MCG and only played 2 games there total. Yet were forced to play you an MCG tenant at that ground in the finals. But I guess that’s perfectly fair as well, right?

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Crowd numbers are irrelevant in the face of integrity for every other professional sport in the world. But not for the AFL it would seem.

When Man City drew Bournemouth in the FA cup qrt finals they played the match at Bournemouth. A stadium that holds only 11,000 people. It wouldn’t even cross the minds of them to go well City has a bigger ground so let’s play it there instead.

Also AGAIN when you are forced to do something against your will that can’t be used as an argument against you.
Geelong are forced to play MCG games mostly to cover for clubs like yours selling games to Tassie or other places.

I’m actually baffled you can’t see the clear integrity issue here, but then again as a direct beneficiary of this advantage you of course are happy with the status quo.

But I will leave you with this one seeing as you are so hung up on the single home game a year Geelong has at the MCG. Last year the Bulldogs did not play a single home game at the MCG and only played 2 games there total. Yet were forced to play you an MCG tenant at that ground in the finals. But I guess that’s perfectly fair as well, right?

Personally, I don’t care, as I think good teams win anywhere. AFL has made that the case with the MCG being the heart of the finals. Whether right or wrong.

There are obvious advantages with some of those being home supporters, size and shape of the oval, conditions. These tho aren’t just gonna guarantee a side a win tho, and there’s a lot more advantage for interstate clubs or Geelong with their home grounds, comparative to the MCG, which a lot of neutral games get held.

Again personally speaking, I don’t care as much as because I do think if you’re good enough you win from anywhere.

My point was to directly say that comparing Geelongs games at the G to Gold Coast possibly playing a home game at the Gabba is utterly ridiculous and not at all comparable.

 

[Bushdid911]

If Brisbane and Freo play out a draw this weekend, and dogs win the next two games. We could have Hawks and Brisbane playing their game last round knowing that if they draw they both make finals, otherwise the loser misses out.

 

[Sentinel]

If Brisbane and Freo play out a draw this weekend, and dogs win the next two games. We could have Hawks and Brisbane playing their game last round knowing that if they draw they both make finals, otherwise the loser misses out.

I know you're being facetious, but playing for a draw would also impact where in the 8 both finish with regards to top 4/home finals etc. Every team still has something to play for next week, regardless of what happens this week.

 

[My Tilly]

Brisbane lose this week, Hawthorn probably knock them out at the Gabba in the last game of the round as Fagan will roll dice with some of the injured players and it'll come back to bite him on the backside.