List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[AT97]

Why would he leave if we matched?

If he commits to other mob he’s not making a u turn and vise versa. Just my opinion.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

I'm not really buying into any of it.

There only seems to be two strains of thinking around here. 1. Reshape the list with yet more average players who might (just might) happen to have some of the traits we are looking for, while drafting the FS/academy players as a matter of course. 2. Trade in some big name whilst somehow gathering enough points to draft the FS/academy players as a matter of course.

There is not much talk about building a side with multitude strengths or preparing for the future, if we don't somehow manage to rise up the ladder to be contenders in the next three years. There's no such thing as an AFL handicap for the sides who are better than us.

I'm in the camp that would trade up if feasible. Duursma, Dean, Ison, in addition to Jagga, HOF, and fingers crossed Cody help sets us up for more sustainable success

 

[Blue and Silver]

Player I want most out of the draft in Lindsay.

Outside player, but use him as a half-back distributor and watch the game open up for us. That kick is gorgeous.

If we hold the TDK compensation and the Dean bid is post pick 10. We might have a shot at him

 

[ajs071]

Thanks champ. Until it's announced, we can still speculate and hypothesise without these sorts of "contributions".

Ueah but he is still gone

 

[JustaBattler]

If he commits to other mob he’s not making a u turn and vise versa. Just my opinion.

St Kilda get to make an official offer once the season is over and Carlton get to match the offer if the Club wants to keep TDK - or not. Right now it is all just "blah blah blah"

All that situations like this and Silvagni and Charlie if you want to believe the clickbait is give the Club the opportunity to hold or fold on its own terms in its own time.

 

[Lukey Skywalker]

If hypothetical Charlie wants out I would rather trade with Gold Coast who have alot of top end talent.

Every player we would want from Sydney they would say no... I think there similar in a high end top 6 players are clear stand out but with better depth on their list & better skills !! LOL

Be a very interesting off season.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

We finish top 4 next year....bookmark this

If you can get miss Jane to help you flip the ladder, you might be right

 

[The Bighouse]

What are we looking at for our outs? Quite a bit of experience out the door from these probables, with more older heads knocking on the door at the end of ‘26 (Saad, Haynes, Newman + the ZW conundrum/payback)
1. JSOS
3. Motlop (?)
11. McGovern
12. TDK
13. Acres (?)
14. Fantasia
15. Docherty
20. EH (?)
25. Binns (?)
31. Lemmey (?)
39. Cincotta
45. F.Young (?)

Will be an interesting off-season and list make-up come 2026.

 

[Aphrodite]

As it currently stands …


2025
1. Jack Silvagni
3. Jesse Motlop
11. Mitch McGovern

11

Mitch Mcgovern

Age

31

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

189.8

3star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.1

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

3star

MG

179.6

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

218.0

4star

12. Tom De Koning

12

Tom De Koning

Age

26

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

14. Orazio Fantasia

14

Orazio Fantasia

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.1

5star

G

1.4

5star

D

9.8

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

2star

G

0.2

3star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.0

1star

15. Sam Docherty

15

Sam Docherty

Age

32

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

15.1

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

476.4

5star

D

22.6

5star

K

16.0

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

0.6

1star

MG

476.4

5star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

17. Brodie Kemp
26. Nick Haynes
31. Harry Lemmey
34. Rob Monahan (International Rookie Cat B)
38. Will White (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) ?
39. Alex Cincotta (Pre-season SSP 2023)
41. Matt Duffy (International Rookie Cat B) ?
44. Francis Evans (Pre-Season SSP Rookie 2025) ?
45. Flynn Young (MSD Rookie 2025) ?

 

[BlueTongue]

I'm not really buying into any of it.

There only seems to be two strains of thinking around here. 1. Reshape the list with yet more average players who might (just might) happen to have some of the traits we are looking for, while drafting the FS/academy players as a matter of course. 2. Trade in some big name whilst somehow gathering enough points to draft the FS/academy players as a matter of course.

There is not much talk about building a side with multitude strengths or preparing for the future, if we don't somehow manage to rise up the ladder to be contenders in the next three years. There's no such thing as an AFL handicap for the sides who are better than us.

Having a game-plan based on the side you inherit is one thing, but for a HC in the job 5-10 years, the aim is to gradually evolve the game-plan as you turn over your list, addressing the deficiencies as you go, continually dropping out your weakest links and bringing in the best available player to address that deficiency.

Any team that needs to do a full list rebuild has a poor list manager.

The Game-plan should not involve tearing the place apart and rebuilding to suit an incoming coach.

 

[JustOneTime]

If Mcgovern and JSoS go for different reasons. One wants out and the other is being pushed it leaves the defence high and dry in 2026 unless austin can bring in a gem or two of them.

High and dry in the sense of rebound 50s and quality of kicking to generate and start the rebound run.

Mcgovern & JSoS are the only two guys that can kick out of defence and look for the corridor or take on a risky kick (yes, Mcgovern a bit dodgy). This leaves Haynes average kicking, and then bring Youngs into the side and his sideways kicks to the fore (plus his penchant for waiting 5 seconds near the mark - losing time) and Weitering dodgy outbound kicks to the fore. This means the side will return to kicking it high down the wing and be predictable as those guys aren't confident enough.

The only player linked with us so far is potentially Khamis from the doggies who cant muster a metres gained number of more than 110 metres so he is a specialist at kicking it sideways as well...so non threatening completely out of defence.

Yes, an old Neman returns (Doch situation a little bit now potentially) but he is a one-sided kick and goes down the wing a long and high out of defence.

I can only see a world of pain where the entire AFL world has pinpointed quality qtr backs as the most important player in the side and we dont have anyone of note that fits that bill and then on top of that we most likely lose Mcgovern and JSoS so are downgrading in 2026 on kicking traits out of defence.

And i'm all for losing Mcgovern for other reasons.

Just a bloody curse i tend to think. It's hilarious to think we lose JSoS.

 

[Opium]

If Mcgovern and JSoS go for different reasons. One wants out and the other is being pushed it leaves the defence high and dry in 2026 unless austin can bring in a gem or two of them.

High and dry in the sense of rebound 50s and quality of kicking to generate and start the rebound run.

Mcgovern & JSoS are the only two guys that can kick out of defence and look for the corridor or take on a risky kick (yes, Mcgovern a bit dodgy). This leaves Haynes average kicking, and then bring Youngs into the side and his sideways kicks to the fore (plus his penchant for waiting 5 seconds near the mark - losing time) and Weitering dodgy outbound kicks to the fore. This means the side will return to kicking it high down the wing and be predictable as those guys aren't confident enough.

The only player linked with us so far is potentially Khamis from the doggies who cant muster a metres gained number of more than 110 metres so he is a specialist at kicking it sideways as well...so non threatening completely out of defence.

Yes, an old Neman returns (Doch situation a little bit now potentially) but he is a one-sided kick and goes down the wing a long and high out of defence.

I can only see a world of pain where the entire AFL world has pinpointed quality qtr backs as the most important player in the side and we dont have anyone of note that fits that bill and then on top of that we most likely lose Mcgovern and JSoS so are downgrading in 2026 on kicking traits out of defence.

And i'm all for losing Mcgovern for other reasons.

Just a bloody curse i tend to think. It's hilarious to think we lose JSoS.

Hard to not see us bottom 4 next season.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Hard to not see us bottom 4 next season.

Are we going to be worse than WCE, North, Richmond, Melbourne and Dons next year?

No chance we finish bottom 4 unless we trade all our guns.

 

[JJBagger]

Hard to not see us bottom 4 next season.

All of our stars had career worst years, injuries stuffed us again, we played pretty much every kid on our list, and we lost to both richmond and North - yet we will still finish either 11th or 12th with 8 or 9 wins. Not a chance we finish bottom 4 next year

 

[Gointocarlton]

Are we going to be worse than WCE, North, Richmond, Melbourne and Dons next year?

No chance we finish bottom 4 unless we trade all our guns.

We can a trade a gun or two, as long as we bring in established guns back who a re ready to go and make us instantly better, not project players or shit trucks that cant get a game at other clubs.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Player I want most out of the draft in Lindsay.

Outside player, but use him as a half-back distributor and watch the game open up for us. That kick is gorgeous.

If we hold the TDK compensation and the Dean bid is post pick 10. We might have a shot at him

TDK compo will likely be pick 10 if * lose Draper.

With the academy players being taken in top 10, unfortunately Lindsay will be out of our reach. Sucks because I wanted him too...

Bloody Carlton, winning too many games... yeah so much better finishing 11th than 14th... smh

 

[Zlatan]

Need to see what strategy the club goes with this off-season, just so many variables to consider between the trade/draft period, especially this “season of change.”

If we end next season with Carroll (19), Charleson (19), HOK (20), HOF (19) (very late rounds), Cowan (20), Moir (20), Smith (19), Lord (20), O.Hollands (21), E.Hollands (23) in the starting 23 and these are starting to push on into very good/good players, we are in business 2027 onwards.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Are we going to be worse than WCE, North, Richmond, Melbourne and Dons next year?

No chance we finish bottom 4 unless we trade all our guns.

An argument could be made for or against.

A positive Carlton supporter would say we will be better next year, but an opposition supporter I can tell you would think there’s worse times to come for our mob.

Losing our prime ruck, 2nd best key back and who knows what else we lose since Voss is locked for 2026 doesn’t make me think we will be much better than this year, where as many an arguement can be made for such clubs as North and Richmond to be far greater than what they have done this year.

 

[Opium]

Are we going to be worse than WCE, North, Richmond, Melbourne and Dons next year?

No chance we finish bottom 4 unless we trade all our guns.

Nth and Essendon will improve drastically next season. We won't.

Pretty simple.

 

[Rustica]

Bottom 4 because no Gov or SOS?

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Bottom 4 because no Gov or SOS?

Has anyone said that based off those 2 players?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Nth and Essendon will improve drastically next season. We won't.

Pretty simple.

Wtf would Essendon improve drastically?

 

[juzza316]

Bottom 4 because no Gov or SOS?

Where do we finish next year then?

Easily bottom 4-6

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Where do we finish next year then?

Easily bottom 4-6

Let's wait until we're done with the ins and outs first

 

[juzza316]

Let's wait until we're done with the ins and outs first

Pretty confident, IMO, that even if the in's cover the out's that we aren't making enough incremental improvement compared to the rest of the league.
It is going to burn watching TDK and SOS at other clubs, both will excel.
We might even see pea heart McGovern show a bit somewhere else.