Preview R24: Changes vs. North Melbourne

[OldCrowBloke]

Feel we actually do need the win this week.

Need a palette cleanser for both the players and fans before finals

This.
Can you imagine the media pile-on this week if we lose?
"No Rankine, no Crows" in a thousand different iterations

 

[Mutineer]

Umpires
Andrew Heffernan (29), Matthew Young (38), Harrison Birch (40), James Strybos (43)

 

[BRL121]

It’s not surprising that our fringe players are less effective than our genuine best 22 players. This is the same for all teams

We have added three above average players this year, Cumming, Peatling and ABN, plus we have had full seasons from Thilthorpe and Milera. We have seen dramatic improvement from Keane and Worrell and the explosion of Daniel Curtin

Looking at players that were not best 22 at the start of the season, Berry and Taylor have improved but are yet to put their position in the team beyond doubt.

We have good depth in defence with Butts, Borlase, Smith and Bond all stepping up when required.

Our back up midfielders, Nankervis, Taylor, Cook, Schoenberg and Crouch (due to injury) are a long way off the pace.

Our back up forwards, Pedlar, Murphy and Cook have really struggled.

Our only back up tall forward is Burgess and we currently have no back up ruck available.

We really need Draper and Dowling to stand up this week. The other options don’t look attractive.

I thought we already had an ABN.

 

[LiquidCrow]

This.
Can you imagine the media pile-on this week if we lose?
"No Rankine, no Crows" in a thousand different iterations

Hopefully something more along the lines of "No Rankine, no problem."

Throw in a Billy the Kid or Sid Vicious reference if either of them standout.

 

[ams4crows]

Im excited to see Dowling get a crack.

 

[GreyCrow]

I think even the thought that Nicks may have employed good coaching, strategy and role players to win a game of football makes some posters physically ill.

Bond is still finding his feet at AFL level, throwing him onto Zorko or Daicos would be rough I think.

MM for sure, hopefully fully fit by week 1 of finals.

Dont be a Ciao - there is no way Murphy applied a hard tag

You only have to watch the replay to see this

 

[GreyCrow]

Rent Free.

I have provided the stats on Josh Daicos. Did you think he had a good game?

What Murphy did was not rocket science. He tried to be an arms length from Josh Daicos every time the other Collingwood defenders had the ball. His uncontested possessions (excluding kick outs) were nearly halved.

Is it worth sacrificing a player to ensure Josh Daicos isn’t setting up their attacks? Check the Gameday thread and the GBU from our game against Collingwood at the MCG earlier this year. I think the answer is yes.

Is Murphy the best man for this role? Imho the answer is no but I would not be surprised to see him selected to play this role at some stage in the finals.

Daicos had 8 Rebound 50s equal to the most he has had this year

 

[GameofSloanes]

Bond needs to stay in for finals. We can use Max in almost any role as needed then (a 2nd lock down defender, a hybrid attacking defender, an accountable forward or mid). Max has elite IQ and talent, he can play any role with minimal prep.

Somehow we need to add something to this midfield group who are struggling. Max? Curtin? Dowling? Hopefully we see some answers tomorrow.

We wont do that for team balance, would be too many defenders

 

[crows dude]

Im excited to see Dowling get a crack.

Hopefully he gets a full game and Smith is sub

 

[Alwaysacrow]

 

[George CantStandYa]

Rent Free.

I have provided the stats on Josh Daicos. Did you think he had a good game?

What Murphy did was not rocket science. He tried to be an arms length from Josh Daicos every time the other Collingwood defenders had the ball. His uncontested possessions (excluding kick outs) were nearly halved.

Is it worth sacrificing a player to ensure Josh Daicos isn’t setting up their attacks? Check the Gameday thread and the GBU from our game against Collingwood at the MCG earlier this year. I think the answer is yes.

Is Murphy the best man for this role? Imho the answer is no but I would not be surprised to see him selected to play this role at some stage in the finals.

Yeah you did, you also said it was his lowest possession count for the year, wrong.

You also failed to take into account when citing his average that he’s also played midfield.

You also pointed out Murphy was there to limit run from defence and I pointed out Daicos had 8 rebound 50s and above his average, as was his disposal efficiency.

You also made note that he had a lot of kick outs, he had 4.

You also ignored the ball was parked at the opposite end of the ground.

Basically I countered your points and you ignored it.

Daicos played ok, he would have played better had he had some midfield time or they didn’t double our inside 50s.

As for rent free, I’d say those who criticise the club live rent free in your head and your need for self promotion and adulation is disturbing.

 

[skam85]

He tried to be an arms length from Josh Daicos every time the other Collingwood defenders had the ball.

 

[jimvic]

Felt so flat and disappointed with all the Rankine debacle all week but the inclusion of Draper and Dowling has got me excited again.

Go you Crows!!

Oh...and wouldn't it be a shame if Collingwood gets smashed by Melbourne tonight!

I'm fair and square on the Dee train tonight

 

[LiquidCrow]

Dont be a Ciao - there is no way Murphy applied a hard tag

You only have to watch the replay to see this

Leading up to last week’s game it was highlighted by quite a few commentators that a large chunk of Collingwood scores came through NDaicos, and teams who had recently won had worked out that shutting him down was the key. Not really sure where the JDaicos angle has come from.

Looking through the stats a week before JDaicos had 2 score involvements and 1 intercept in their big loss against Hawthorn, yet on Murphy’s supposed “hard tag” he had 3 and 5 respectively. For inside 50s, NDaicos had 3 against Hawthorn and 8 against us, JDaicos had 5 and 1 which also supports that observation that Nick is the much more damaging player.

 

[BRL121]

Leading up to last week’s game it was highlighted by quite a few commentators that a large chunk of Collingwood scores came through PDaicos, and teams who had recently won had worked out that shutting him down was the key. Not really sure where the JDaicos angle has come from.

Looking through the stats a week before JDaicos had 2 score involvements and 1 intercept in their big loss against Hawthorn, yet on Murphy’s supposed “hard tag” he had 3 and 5 respectively. For inside 50s, NDaicos had 3 against Hawthorn and 8 against us, JDaicos had 5 and 1 which also supports that observation that Nick is the much more damaging player.

I didn't think Peter was playing anymore.

 

[Bunker]

I really think the coaches need to sit down and work out which area we have the best depth in.. forward line is getting thin with options...if I was coach, I would pull Milera out off half back and flick him forward as the X factor with small stints through middle aka Rankine (I know Milera has been getting better through the year and is playing great footy right now but it would be worth a look) with laird, hinge, cumming, worrel too a degree Smith and nankervis plus with Max coming back in soon 1st final this position is the crows absolute strength. Wouldn't be dropping bond if possible thought he has done a great job since in, plus could release max to be more attacking off half back. Happy with Dowling and Draper in this week

 

[Bovo]

Wait for a late out and Murphy to slide back in

Bloody Davis getting involved again ya reckon

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

Dont be a Ciao - there is no way Murphy applied a hard tag

You only have to watch the replay to see this

A tag has changed a bit since Neil Kerley in the 60’s.

Were you at the match?

Josh Daicos’s role is to set up Collingwood’s attacking moves from defence. By defence, I don’t mean specifically from D50 since players are not restricted to a 25 metre radius of their positions these days.

How do they do this GreyCrow? Josh Daicos usually has a lot of handball receives (e.g. from other players who receive a mark or a free kick) and short chip kicks from other defenders.

How do you reduce this GreyCrow? You have a player run close to him to increase the risk of providing the ball to him. You also man up on him in stoppages and when we have the ball you try to take him away from the action. You also don’t rotate players on him. As much as possible you want your tag to play exclusively on him.

Did you notice any of those things if you were at the match? If you watched it on tellie then go back and watch it again.

 

[Coopers]

Umpires
Andrew Heffernan (29), Matthew Young (38), Harrison Birch (40), James Strybos (43)

29 is too close to 32 for my comfort

 

[Coopers]

Can we get 3 brownlow votes out of this for Dawson?

 

[Slim258]

What’s the Sid pass mark so Nicksy doesn’t default back to Murphy’s 10 disposals and -6 meters gained?

20 & 1?
30 & 2?

There’s surely a tax applied isn’t there?

 

[GreyCrow]

A tag has changed a bit since Neil Kerley in the 60’s.

Were you at the match?

Josh Daicos’s role is to set up Collingwood’s attacking moves from defence. By defence, I don’t mean specifically from D50 since players are not restricted to a 25 metre radius of their positions these days.

How do they do this GreyCrow? Josh Daicos usually has a lot of handball receives (e.g. from other players who receive a mark or a free kick) and short chip kicks from other defenders.

You try so hard to sound clever but it comes across as condescending

If Murphy was so great why did he get dropped

Stoppers are like gold and if you can stop a Daicos then you get premium seats to the next game

How do you reduce this GreyCrow? You have a player run close to him to increase the risk of providing the ball to him. You also man up on him in stoppages and when we have the ball you try to take him away from the action. You also don’t rotate players on him. As much as possible you want your tag to play exclusively on him.

Did you notice any of those things if you were at the match? If you watched it on tellie then go back and watch it again.

This is peak '' you cant see what he does because its nuanced ''

Thanks VB

 

[Slim258]

why did he get dropped

Probably because that role isn’t really required for North and he wouldn’t be able to keep up with McKercher anyway

 

[GreyCrow]

Probably because that role isn’t really required for North and he wouldn’t be able to keep up with McKercher anyway

Isnt J Daicos just as fast as McKercher?

 

[GreyCrow]

4 minute video

Please take the time and spot Murphy running across Daicos , blocking his lines or hard tag

Please