Autopsy AFL 2025 Rd 24 - Lions v Hawks - Sun August 24th 7:20pm AEST (Gabba)

[jonnobackpocket]

As do you champ. Getting the four points doesn't make right.

Champ !!!!, in case there was any doubt you suck there is confirmation.
Champ……Jesus.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Macdonald has had a poor year and will then throw in a good game like last week out of nowhere.
Unless Weddle plays the Lewis role I'm not sure where we would play him as the backline looks pretty settled now
Day is done for the year

Heaven knows what’s happening with McDonald it’s not talent surely. I’d be rolling the dice on Weddle

 

[StackedHunch]

Lions won every single kpi including a massive difference in possession, kick to handball and marks. Yet according to hawks fans it was the umpires lol.

The Lions were the better team, but you have no business complaining about umpires because of one that went our way.

Also, your metrics aren't the relevant ones - Lions are a possession team who handle the ball more than equivalent strength teams.

 

[StackedHunch]

Heaven knows what’s happening with McDonald it’s not talent surely. I’d be rolling the dice on Weddle

Probably not worth risking Weddle, given we're likely to maybe beat GWS, then have another 'honourable loss' in Adelaide or Brisbane. Scores are flattering how stunted the team is playing IMO. Next year, assuming Day isn't injured again, should be a top two year.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Probably not worth risking Weddle, given we're likely to maybe beat GWS, then have another 'honourable loss' in Adelaide or Brisbane. Scores are flattering how stunted the team is playing IMO. Next year, assuming Day isn't injured again, should be a top two year.

You guys are probably 1.5 'gun or A grade' mids from being near the favourites, Day is one, but I won't be shocked if you go for the big splash while you have Battle, Barrass at their best.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Difficult for you obviously

Get a clue, there’s no advantage to us for that ball going out

It’s as simple as that

shows how simple your knowledge of footy is that you don't think a stoppage is better than a rushed kick to D50.

 

[StackedHunch]

You guys are probably 1.5 'gun or A grade' mids from being near the favourites, Day is one, but I won't be shocked if you go for the big splash while you have Battle, Barrass at their best.

Yeah, we have 3-5 years to make hay. IMO a fit Day is all we need to win flags right now, as he elevates the whole team, much like NWM. But yeah, a second elite ball user in the guts should be on the shopping list.

 

[LionsOrDieTrion]

You’re not worried about them?

Match up extremely well against them and they haven’t played anyone since they played us, and we all saw how that went. Plus the MCG is our best ground (maybe Marvel as well). MCG suits are kick mark game plenty of space.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yeah, we have 3-5 years to make hay. IMO a fit Day is all we need to win flags right now, as he elevates the whole team, much like NWM. But yeah, a second elite ball user in the guts should be on the shopping list.

Yep and if that means selling you first (either next or 2027) plus a good player to do it you will. Hawks have always been proactive on this, similar to us and Cats where draft picks are just numbers, we have made some shockers lately though. Reid is the interesting one as I can't see WCE selling unless it's a Kings ransom, but Butters is surely worth a go.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Match up extremely well against them and they haven’t played anyone since they played us, and we all saw how that went. Plus the MCG is our best ground (maybe Marvel as well). MCG suits are kick mark game plenty of space.

Best chance of beating the Lions this year is at the Gabba, weirdly. You have kicked like drunk donkeys all year at home

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Amon wanted it out to get a 50/50 instead of getting his mates caught holding the ball. The only thing he botched was it didn’t bounce in the field first to fake it a bit better.

Are you Amon? Lovely for you to tell us your side of the story.

Either that or you’re bullshitting (obviously).

Anyone with any idea, especially with how Hawthorn play or are most likely to score from that situation. Is a handball chain or kick out of defense. Not a stoppage in Brisbane’s forward 50.

Clearly a skill error that was awfully called.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Except that’s not the rule. It’s about sufficient intent to keep the ball in, not whether or not it’s an advantage for it to go out. Umpires interpretation was he didn’t try hard enough to keep it in. Considering he was in space and handpassed it directly out of bounds it’s not an outrageous decision is it

He was running backwards and tried to handball to a teammate and almost missed his hand. It’s a crap skill error, obvious. The intent also obviously trying to keep it in.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He was running backwards and tried to handball to a teammate and almost missed his hand. It’s a crap skill error, obvious. The intent also obviously trying to keep it in.

It wasn't that obvious though, and he sure didn't disguise it well! Half of the trick is disguising it, Andrews did a similar one just prior only difference is he half disguised it and it bounced before the line.

I'm over the rule though bring in Last Touch and be done. It's better

 

[wirra44]

Emotions get high when you're vying for finals position. Something you must've forgotten about, in your case that extrapolates to even winning a game...

Emotions run high, but then there is nuffy emotion and complete utter nonsense talk.

 

[Happy_Neale]

He was running backwards and tried to handball to a teammate and almost missed his hand. It’s a crap skill error, obvious. The intent also obviously trying to keep it in.

True but you often see skill errors with kicks punished as deliberate as well

 

[Dewyyyyy]

It wasn't that obvious though, and he sure didn't disguise it well! Half of the trick is disguising it, Andrews did a similar one just prior only difference is he half disguised it and it bounced before the line.

I'm over the rule though bring in Last Touch and be done. It's better

It was, really was. Disguise what? Literally running on the back foot, trying to keep the ball in motion by handballing to two open players on their right side? He almost missed his hand, it was extremely obvious that it was a skill error. The handball wasn’t as bad as the call however.

Andrews one is incomparable due to the situation & position on the ground. In his case he thumps a handball out to get to his teammate but goes infront of him.

Neither are insufficient intent, Andrews would’ve been happy with either getting it to his teammate, or going out, it was fine tho because he had a teammate right there.

Last touch doesn’t apply to inside 50, hence why the Amon one is awful but also not fixed by that, just a terrible call.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

True but you often see skill errors with kicks punished as deliberate as well

The umps have been guessing all year, I mean this one wasn't too bad, it's how they have ruled it all year. Do I like the interpretation not really, but it's literally how they have interpreted it all season long

 

[Dewyyyyy]

True but you often see skill errors with kicks punished as deliberate as well

Yes - it is all dependent on the intent. Common sense honestly.

Handballing to two free teammates in that situation is the intent and option, ball almost missed his hand, clearly should’ve been a throw in.

 

[Happy_Neale]

The Lions were the better team, but you have no business complaining about umpires because of one that went our way.

Also, your metrics aren't the relevant ones - Lions are a possession team who handle the ball more than equivalent strength teams.

We won tackles as well

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Emotions run high, but then there is nuffy emotion and complete utter nonsense talk.

There’s plenty of them going around, it’s BF.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It was, really was. Disguise what? Literally running on the back foot, trying to keep the ball in motion by handballing to two open players on their right side? He almost missed his hand, it was extremely obvious that it was a skill error. The handball wasn’t as bad as the call however.

Andrews one is incomparable due to the situation & position on the ground. In his case he thumps a handball out to get to his teammate but goes infront of him.

Neither are insufficient intent, Andrews would’ve been happy with either getting it to his teammate, or going out, it was fine tho because he had a teammate right there.

Last touch doesn’t apply to inside 50, hence why the Amon one is awful but also not fixed by that, just a terrible call.

It's not a terrible call though that's the point, this is how these useless umps have paid it all season long. You handball it straight over the line without it bouncing you are in trouble of being pinned. It's not the first time, we got one against McCartin a few weeks back similar situation, didn't matter as we were getting flogged but that's literally how they have paid it. You can't say they haven't been consistent in this interpretation.

I know last touch isn't inside 50 it's discretion, but at least outside 50 it removes the mess, less ruck contests is a good thing

 

[Happy_Neale]

Yes - it is all dependent on the intent. Common sense honestly.

Handballing to two free teammates in that situation is the intent and option, ball almost missed his hand, clearly should’ve been a throw in.

The difference is it’s not intent but the appearance of intent. I’m sure Amon meant to keep it in but it looked enough like insufficient intent that it got paid. Honestly so many of our rules are fully interpretation based it boggles my mind when people try to argue line ball calls

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yes - it is all dependent on the intent. Common sense honestly.

Handballing to two free teammates in that situation is the intent and option, ball almost missed his hand, clearly should’ve been a throw in.

There's your first issue relying on umpires using common sense, just what we don't need more inconsistency. Look is it harsh, maybe, but I'm still not convinced it wasn't exactly what he meant to do, this is Amon nearly the most skilled player on your list we are talking about.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

It's not a terrible call though that's the point, this is how these useless umps have paid it all season long. You handball it straight over the line without it bouncing you are in trouble of being pinned. It's not the first time, we got one against McCartin a few weeks back similar situation, didn't matter as we were getting flogged but that's literally how they have paid it. You can't say they haven't been consistent in this interpretation.

I know last touch isn't inside 50 it's discretion, but at least outside 50 it removes the mess, less ruck contests is a good thing

It doesn’t get paid like that in that instance tho, that’s the point. If there weren’t any teammates close to it sure, but there were, and he’s clearly almost missed his hand. The definition of a skill error with obvious intent and options to keep it in.

It is an atrocious call when you look at what the rule states and understand the situation.

With last touch - I don’t mind either way. The point being that this situation is not remonstrated by changing that rule and it will continue to be discretion. Hence why it’s just an awful call.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It doesn’t get paid like that in that instance tho, that’s the point. If there weren’t any teammates close to it sure, but there were, and he’s clearly almost missed his hand. The definition of a skill error with obvious intent and options to keep it in.

It is an atrocious call when you look at what the rule states and understand the situation.

With last touch - I don’t mind either way. The point being that this situation is not remonstrated by changing that rule and it will continue to be discretion. Hence why it’s just an awful call.

It's probably between the two, it's not JUST a skill error, so it's not some horrendous call. It's 50/50 and you are running the gauntlet with umps paying it when you 'handball' it straight out. That is just reality. Players need to know to handball it to their player or the ground, there can't be a third option which is over the sideline, the third one you are running the risk. That is just reality.