List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[CaptainRisky]

You been on the cans this morning mate? No judgement..

Nah , no cans for me , just Captain Happy here LOL

 

[SaintsofSteel]

This is a media nuffies take so we can cool our jets on thinking a first is the asking price.

Not high on Dovaston myself. Only average speed, not a great contested player and looks to have iffy ball use from what I saw at the champs. Our list has too many smalls and flankers who either struggle or not willing to win a contest. Smalls with speed and good ground contest win free kicks and get easy shots on goals. All except for Jack Higgins anyway.

Obviously its a media statement, but it doesnt hide the fact the Ryan is still CONTRACTED. WCE will play hard ball, Id rather not get into a negotiation over a 29yo full stop. Although I disagree with your assessement of Dovaston, its also blatantly obvious there will be plenty to select from with our first draft selection! Thats of course if we dont trade it out......?

We have had decades of quick fix sugar hits - why fall back into that trap?

 

[CaptainRisky]

Yes mate. I know it was a joke.

But It looked more like you were calling me a Pokemon and that I had evolved.

Nah not at all , my bad

 

[CaptainRisky]

Not sure about affording to keep him. Either way l don't see it breaking the list.

I didn't mean afford as in cash , I'm not stupid , i meant taking a list spot for a bloke who will most likely never make it, id rather draft another project tall and start again as Roma wont go on forever

 

[MrFoster]

If we retain our first + NAS becoming a pure mid.

Josh Lindsay is a very interesting prospect.

Is he an inside/outside combo mid? Nas is more outside than inside. The past coaches always just thought the answer to our poor forward entry, poor general skill level is outside class hence Hill, when our biggest issue is to get the ball and get it cleanly so he can release it to a running player streaming forward, if we can do that, then the whole team's skill level will instantly improve. Flat footed and skills under pressure are never going to result in quality football.

Whist Hall, Garcia, Philipou and Windhagher have shown good signs, we still need more mids who can win the first ball, can either burst out himself or has the nous and composure to bring it to the outside. Along with a better tap Ruckman, that's how we will improve, less panic kicking, possession under pressure.

In the last 10 years, you can put prime Carey, Lockett and Dunstall in our team, they'll still struggle because how poor our skill level is and the long bomb down the line 100% of the time is nothing but a losing strategy in the age of uber floods and spare men in defence. So, the best way to win is to get the ball out of the centre / clearances first and quickly transition it outside then forward with speed.

 

[CaptainRisky]

A question for those who have actually seen Mini Poo play , is he any good or are some just wanting that love story of brothers playing together AKA King twins ,

 

[stavro#4]

A question for those who have actually seen Mini Poo play , is he any good or are some just wanting that love story of brothers playing together AKA King twins ,

He is good.

But the completely balanced view is that, he missed a lot of football. What we have seen looks good. But how good is he is still up for debate.

 

[SainterinSydney]

He is good.

But the completely balanced view is that, he missed a lot of football. What we have seen looks good. But how good is he is still up for debate.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

I didn’t catch the game… was interchange steward for our local footy finals so kept the phone away other than checking a few scores.

How did Aleer look? Only 12 disposals but had 9 intercepts. Curious to know how he looked.

Looks good when allowed to fly and intercept a high ball. Not good in a grounded marking contest (brushed aside by Sharman). Seems best suited to playing the same role as Tauru, so I'm not sure how that will work out. Caminiti looks better as a true key defender.

 

[stavro#4]

Is he an inside/outside combo mid? Nas is more outside than inside. The past coaches always just thought the answer to our poor forward entry, poor general skill level is outside class hence Hill, when our biggest issue is to get the ball and get it cleanly so he can release it to a running player streaming forward, if we can do that, then the whole team's skill level will instantly improve. Flat footed and skills under pressure are never going to result in quality football.

Whist Hall, Garcia, Philipou and Windhagher have shown good signs, we still need more mids who can win the first ball, can either burst out himself or has the nous and composure to bring it to the outside. Along with a better tap Ruckman, that's how we will improve, less panic kicking, possession under pressure.

Drafts best kick by some way apparently. Real play maker off half back. Constantly wants ball in hand.

 

[Mat Mann]

Lol, nope: https://thewest.com.au/sport/west-c...into-a-2025-first-round-draft-pick-c-19787445

St Kilda don’t have a second-round pick and a straight swap for their first-round pick — which sits at No.7 — in exchange for Ryan isn’t going to get that deal done.
But the Eagles could look to swan Ryan and the first-round pick they obtained from Hawthorn — which could blow out to the late teens come the end of September — for pick No.7 and a later selection.

 

[MrFoster]

Drafts best kick by some way apparently. Real play maker off half back. Constantly wants ball in hand.

Another half back, think we should target inside/outside combo mids at the first pick for most value. just look at Josh Lindsay from Demons, without someone winning the ball for him, he's less effective. We just need more contested beasts in the midfield first.. then build it out that way, can always play mids at half back/half forward rather than hoping a flanker to play mid ala Billings, Clark, Coffield, Mckenzie.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Drafts best kick by some way apparently. Real play maker off half back. Constantly wants ball in hand.

The heir to the Sinclair throne?

 

[CaptainRisky]

Id want a lot more vision that that to convince me , its SANFL Under 18's , Hardly quality football
Half the time these games look like the little league at half time.
If he is only a small forward fine but if we want him to be a mid its a no , i want some bigger bodies as we are always up against bigger bodies

 

[CaptainRisky]

Drafts best kick by some way apparently. Real play maker off half back. Constantly wants ball in hand.

That's the one i want then ,

 

[stavro#4]

Id want a lot more vision that that to convince me , its SANFL Under 18's , Hardly quality football
Half the time these games look like the little league at half time.
If he is only a small forward fine but if we want him to be a mid its a no , i want some bigger bodies as we are always up against bigger bodies

That’s the issue. He missed all the main stuff through injury. So your ranking his SANFL stuff

 

[stavro#4]

Be a waste honestly.

Fincher plays that role and can rack them up. If you’re going like for like I’d rather have Fincher be that quarterback role and Lindsay to be an out and out mid.

Finchers kicking is nowhere near as good as Lindsay.

 

[akaifu]

Obviously its a media statement, but it doesnt hide the fact the Ryan is still CONTRACTED. WCE will play hard ball, Id rather not get into a negotiation over a 29yo full stop. Although I disagree with your assessement of Dovaston, its also blatantly obvious there will be plenty to select from with our first draft selection! Thats of course if we dont trade it out......?

We have had decades of quick fix sugar hits - why fall back into that trap?

There is absolutely no way we give up our first pick for Ryan. It won't happen. If they are steadfast on wanting that - which they aren't dumb enough to do - then we will withdraw

If it gets done, its at most a second round pick

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Another half back, think we should target inside/outside combo mids at the first pick for most value. just look at Josh Lindsay from Demons, without someone winning the ball for him, he's less effective. We just need more contested beasts in the midfield first.. then build it out that way, can always play mids at half back/half forward rather than hoping a flanker to play mid ala Billings, Clark, Coffield, Mckenzie.

Every player drafted should be able to win their own ball whether it be in the air or at ground level. Thats my concern with Collard, he is an elite finisher but as yet cant win his own footy. Shoenmaker is in the same boat but they are both improving.

 

[CaptainRisky]

That’s the issue. He missed all the main stuff through injury. So your ranking his SANFL stuff

I still just want kids that are good kicks, we need players who get the ball from A to B quickly , not these damn floaters that hang in the air giving everyone a chance to spoil or intercept , penetrating kicks are so dangerous

 

[stavro#4]

I still just want kids that are good kicks, we need players who get the ball from A to B quickly , not these damn floaters that hang in the air giving everyone a chance to spoil or intercept , penetrating kicks are so dangerous

He looks like he has it all.

It’s just the comparison to his peers and that’s a big part in this draft specifically with the questions on the quality of it.

 

[stavro#4]

Correct but Lindsay is also better in transition.

Fincher accumulates the ball better as well.

Ideally both become midfielders but Lindsay’s point of difference makes him better as an out and out mid imo.

Happy to concede to others who have watched more though.

Don’t think there is anything wrong with your take.

Ultimately one is top 10 maybe top 5 touted and Fincher is 20-30 at best

 

[MrFoster]

Every player drafted should be able to win their own ball whether it be in the air or at ground level. Thats my concern with Collard, he is an elite finisher but as yet cant win his own footy. Shoenmaker is in the same boat but they are both improving.

Think Collard is going to be fine. One thing he does need is bit of space, like Higgins, they are never going to be able to beat a flooded defence/extra intercept marker, put Collard at the feet of Keeler in an open forward line, and Higgins at the feet of King, both will profit handsomely.. when Collard is more physically developed, he will become a Charlie Cameron clone.

 

[MrFoster]

Don’t think there is anything wrong with your take.

Ultimately one is top 10 maybe top 5 touted and Fincher is 20-30 at best

Someone mentioning on Saintsational that we are into Cam Mackenzie, our former NGA player. Not a bad player, not sure how we can make it happen trade wise.

 

[stavro#4]

Someone mentioning on Saintsational that we are into Cam Mackenzie, our former NGA player. Not a bad player, not sure how we can make it happen trade wise.

Gee hawk board are split on him.