2025 Rolling ALL-Australian Team

[rye]

cornes should charge rent for how much headspace he occupies amongst afl nuffies.

the idea that naughton was excluded purely because of cornes is absurd. hes a shock jock on radio but definitely knows his stuff and can give a balanced opinion when he required. if he was as overbearing a figure as some are suggesting, why is wilkie absent from the squad given cornes will gas him up at every possible opportunity?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

cornes should charge rent for how much headspace he occupies amongst afl nuffies.

the idea that naughton was excluded purely because of cornes is absurd. hes a shock jock on radio but definitely knows his stuff and can give a balanced opinion when he required. if he was as overbearing a figure as some are suggesting, why is wilkie absent from the squad given cornes will gas him up at every possible opportunity?

Cornes has explicitly stated he things Naughton is overpaid insofar he does not think he contributes enough onfield value to make his contract a good one.

In terms of media figures on the panel giving direct opinions on players (as opposed to hedging or speaking around the value of a player or speaking to what a player "should be doing" rather than the value of what they are doing), it's almost as direct and obvious as you can get.

 

[BarbieITFC]

I just don't watch enough footy to be able to comment whether player x should be in the squad/team ahead of player y.

What I do know from the footy I have seen is that:

- If I could only have one Docker in the team I hope it's Clark. Serong has been awesome but Clark has just been a classic under the radar gun all season.

- If I could cast my vote for one player who has to be in the team above all others then for mine it would be McCluggage. Will spew if another inside mid is placed on the wing ahead of him

- From the games I have watched I genuinely hope Andrews, Elliott, Anderson and Vlastuin get into the team, players who time and again put their team on the shoulders but manage to do it without any hint of FIGJAM.


If you can't tell from my signature (with Switkowski as my BF buddy four times) - I have so much time for the guys who just week in week out get the job done.

 

[Fadge]

Whether you miss a few games and play at the league-best level, or you play every game and play slightly less than the league-best level, the end result of contributing to overall season wins is the same.

Whilst everything you said prior to your last paragraph was inane drivel, your last paragraph is spot on (though based on everything you've said, I'm not sure you agree with what you're saying).

Let's say for arguments sake Bont has been the best performing player in the competition, in the games he's actually played in. We therefore give him a relative ranking of 100 per game, and rate all others relative to Bont's performances.

Given the games he's missed, he'd need to have performed at a 10% to 15% better level than the last midfielder picked in the AA Squad, for him to take his place, based on season output. Because Bont did NOTHING in the games he didn't play.

We've just had too many midfielders have elite seasons for Bont to be amongst the best 7 or 8 based on season output.

Now I'm not for one minute saying Bont won't get in, because I think he will.

I'm saying he shouldn't get in, at the expense of a Holmes, for example.

 

[SC_Power]

Add up goals and goal assists (to indicate scoreboard impact) and Naughton is 2nd, behind Cameron.

Is that not AA worthy?

The egregious choices here are Georgiades and King. Neither have any business being selected ahead of Naughton. If anything, their spots should have been given to an extra defender to include Wilkie

Naughton had just 26 goals after Round 17.

Had a great run with Darcy back in the team, but hardly an AA season really.

 

[SC_Power]

Georgie has 28 x goals v the top-9 teams in 14 games at average of 2.0. He has 3 x goal assists at 0.21 per game.

Naughton has 22 goals v top-9 teams in 11 games at average of 2.0. He has 6 x goal assist at average of 0.55.

So goal contributions v top-9:

Naughton: 2.55 per game.
Georgie: 2.21 per game.

And whilst Dogs are scoring more, Naughton is also sharing the inside-50 opportunities with Darcy. So Georgie would've been targeted a hell of a lot more than Naughton.

I don't begrudge Georgie's squad selection, just his year wasn't superior to Naughton's on almost any measure.

Repeat: Naughton had just 26 goals after Round 17.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

What's Jordan Clark's chances?

He's been great for us but I haven't watch enough neutral games to comment on AA selection.

100%

 

[Dogsman16]

Repeat: Naughton had just 26 goals after Round 17.

Naughton had 159 total score involvements compared to Ben King who currently has 111.

And more score involvements than Gunston, Thilthorpe and Georgiades. Naughton does often player higher up the ground.

Not just about the goals.

Granted he wasn’t in my AA team and Libba plus Sam Darcy were extremely fortunate to be in.

Naughton should have been in the 44 though.

 

[SC_Power]

It’s got me ****ed how Naughton who finished 4th in the Coleman medal with 60 goals didn’t get into the Squad.

And another one deluded by a number and not a seasons work.

 

[Bulldogs85]

And another one deluded by a number and not a seasons work.

LOL had a better year then Georgiades and Naughton stated off slowly because of injury and illness FACTS

 

[Fadge]

LOL had a better year then Georgiades and Naughton stated off slowly because of injury and illness FACTS

Are we meant to give everyone else who started of slowly because of injury and/or illness a leg up?

 

[Bulldogs85]

Are we meant to give everyone else who started of slowly because of injury and/or illness a leg up?

did i say give we had to give Naughton a leg up

 

[SC_Power]

Naughton had 159 total score involvements compared to Ben King who currently has 111.

And more score involvements than Gunston, Thilthorpe and Georgiades. Naughton does often player higher up the ground.

Not just about the goals.

Granted he wasn’t in my AA team and Libba plus Sam Darcy were extremely fortunate to be in.

Naughton should have been in the 44 though.

LOL had a better year then Georgiades and Naughton stated off slowly because of injury and illness FACTS

There’s opinions, and statistics. But the stats don’t show Naughton as having an AA year, because he had a bunch of very good games mainly against poor opposition at the end of the year. So the argument is about how many goals he kicks… until we show how most of his season was average, then it’s not about the goals. There’s always a stat isn’t there?

Georgiades basically matched Naughton for goals, took more marks, took more marks on the lead, as many contested marks, had far more scoring shots, won more contested 1-1’s, and all whilst playing on the opponents best defender in a team that was struggling. See I can get stats too.

And I dont think Georgiades should make the 22, but certainly aren’t blinded by the Naughton love.

Teams would be averaging 2 players in an AA squad. 3-4 for the top teams. 0-1 for the poorer teams. Maybe 5-6-7 for a standout team.
Bulldogs missed finals, had a poor record against finals bound teams, and there’s people arguing that they should have had 6 players at least.

 

[Dogsman16]

There’s opinions, and statistics. But the stats don’t show Naughton as having an AA year, because he had a bunch of very good games mainly against poor opposition at the end of the year. So the argument is about how many goals he kicks… until we show how most of his season was average, then it’s not about the goals. There’s always a stat isn’t there?

Georgiades basically matched Naughton for goals, took more marks, took more marks on the lead, as many contested marks, had far more scoring shots, won more contested 1-1’s, and all whilst playing on the opponents best defender in a team that was struggling. See I can get stats too.

And I dont think Georgiades should make the 22, but certainly aren’t blinded by the Naughton love.

Teams would be averaging 2 players in an AA squad. 3-4 for the top teams. 0-1 for the poorer teams. Maybe 5-6-7 for a standout team.
Bulldogs missed finals, had a poor record against finals bound teams, and there’s people arguing that they should have had 6 players at least.

My point being Naughton should be in the squad over Ben King and Sam Darcy.

Georgiades is a fine selection in the squad. No argument there.

Personally think the dogs should have only had 4 (Richards, Dale, Bont and Naughton).

And yes the amount of “stars” we have just goes to show how badly our bottom 6 players let us down.

Hawthorn in comparison have a very even and reliable 22. Dogs don’t and we paid the price.

 

[dees arent rabble]

Wheres Bowey

 

[SC_Power]

Wheres Bowie

 

[gambinotosserflog]

We've had 1 brownlow winner in 30 years and he shouldn't have won it

someone is a 90s child.

• Allan Hopkins - 1930 (awarded retrospectively in 1989)
• Norman Ware - 1941
• Peter Box - 1956
• • John Schultz - 1960
  • Gary Dempsey - 1975
  • Kelvin Templeton - 1980
  • Brad Hardie - 1985
  • Tony Liberatore - 1990
  • Scott Wynd - 1992
  • Adam Cooney - 2008

 

[gambinotosserflog]

They’re not competing for the same role

I'm not putting them head to head. just saying one should be in, the other shouldn't.

 

[gambinotosserflog]

Hard to compare him with Farmer, as I've never watched him. From what I know, he changed the game.

As for Madden - probably the most overrated player in history. A dinosaur loved by the media before any real analysis on player impact on the game was done..

Tap ruckman have always been given way too much credit - the best ruckman in the game - the ones that the media talk about giving "silver service" to their midfield, hit as many taps to disadvantage as advantage, and a great tap ruckman has little impact on centre clearances.

The best ruckman impact around the ground - covering the field like a ridiculasly tall midfielder, not lumbering around in a slow jog.
The most valuable ruckman provides the "get out kick" - when no other options, kick it to the one player who is going to win it more than lose it. Gawn is one of the grreat all time at this, also being the stopper behind the ball and a target to draw 3 defenders down forward. Madden vs Gawn would be an absolute embarrassment; Gawn would run free all day.

Gawn's endurance has not been seen in a ruckman before, Jimmy Stynes the only one close.

As a Hawks fan, i think he's magnificent.

Leigh Matthews has generally never been a big fan of ruckmen, and i tend to agree with him. their influence on contests is largely questionable and requires them to have a fuller array of attributes then just tapping the ball, which often is a 50/50 proposition at best.

but as a ruckman, i would say his body of work would be closest to the best in history. if he gets 8 AAs, its extraordinary.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I don't understand how Naughton's "poor start" meant that he didn't have an AA season.

He just so happened to have all of his bad games bunched up early in the season.

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had a similar number of bad games, they just happened to be in Rounds 4, 8, 11, 12, 13 and 19.

Logically "you can't start the season that poorly and be in the AA squad" is no different of a statemen to "you can't play that poorly in rounds 4, 8, 11, 12, 13 and 18, and be in the AA squad".

 

[kickazz]

So we don't wait for the h&a season to finish?

 

[SC_Power]

I don't understand how Naughton's "poor start" meant that he didn't have an AA season.

He just so happened to have all of his bad games bunched up early in the season.

Ben King had a similar number of bad games, they just happened to be in Rounds 4, 8, 11, 12, 13 and 19.

Logically "you can't start the season that poorly and be in the AA squad" is no different of a statemen to "you can't play that poorly in rounds 4, 8, 11, 12, 13 and 18, and be in the AA squad".

Just an opinion of course, but you can, and should. AA is a season, not just a 8 game stretch. If you’re playing poorly enough that your spot in the 22 is questioned at some stage, then that’s not an AA season regardless of how well you finish. Especially when that poor form is when the team needs you to step up with the main man injured for a while, and the good form comes when you’re not matching up on the best defender.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

This thread loves putting a million different criteria other than "on average over the course of the season, with the role he was asked to do, did this player play better to help his team win more than other players on other teams asked to play similar roles".

That's it really. Yet people will state players are deserving or undeserving for a million reasons that are only slightly related to "did he play well to help his team win".

 

[Ichiro #51]

Ed Richards has 77 Coaches votes in 2025.

18 of these votes are from games against top 8 teams...

Is there some part of that where better opposition recognises his influence for the dogs and do more to curtail it? It could also partially explain the dogs struggles against stronger opposition.

It’s an honest question, I don’t watch enough neutral games to know.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Is there some part of that where better opposition recognises his influence for the dogs and do more to curtail it? It could also partially explain the dogs struggles against stronger opposition.

It’s an honest question, I don’t watch enough neutral games to know.

My guess would be simply the Dogs did not win many games against good teams so less votes for Dogs players in those games.

You would have to dive deeper to see how he actually played in those games.