List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[StCicatriz]

Don't watch much WCE, you reckon he still has value?

i think he's worth a 3rd rounder TBH at a stretch late 2nd.

i see him worth roughly what Macrae was worth.

the problem is WCE are in a nasty position. they can't afford to lose senior players. Ryan has been running through the midfield, such is the predicament. like its really really bad. their WAFL side has literally no one coming through.

in terms of his performance 100% he's what we need. we have literally no marking power beyond Sharman. the problem is sharman goes missing for huge patches of the game. Ryan can also push up high.

i think he compliments someone like Owens and King (if fit) really really well. he's kind of what we've been trying to use Wood as when he plays deeper.

i think if we can turn Marshall into Aleer and Ryan we are doing well.

 

[StCicatriz]

the news aside Windy is a must keep. no point padding out the list with players like TDK, Aleer and Ryan if we have no inside mids.

i do think theres more playing out though. i have a nasty suspicion i think Steele might be moving on along with Marshall.

 

[billings2paddy]

Carlton supporters absolutely melting down over Cody Walker. They want court action

Delicious

 

[StCicatriz]

I asked that exact question of the bed-wetting nancy boys earlier in the thread !!

Oddly, I have had no response!

you realise you cant have that many coming in without someone going out. that's not even from a salary cap perspective but in terms of list spots. there's also no way we are going to load up deep in the draft on 2 year deals.

i think there's more twists coming. there's no way someone like colin young is getting liam ryan to nominate us without an idea on how the trade will get done. which means he's been in deep discussions with SOS etc.

there is absolutely more news to come.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Had him lined up from the start, and now its TDK's turn. Obviously a pattern going on.

To be fair to gringo2011 , he did say that he was very outside and not really the player we needed at the time, more the cream. And he was largely correct. Especially early days. I remember Ratts clearly instructing the players to give him the ball.

However, in general I still think he has been a pretty good addition; you also do have to figure in what he’s done for the team and indigenous players outside of just playing.

I do remember he got hate mail early days which was awful ( probably from some of those odiou FB posters) - but there’s always some. I really hope TDK doesn’t go through the same.

 

[Joffaboy]

Peak St.Kilda to let go a terrific you mid after we have been crying out for mids to bring in a spud from Hawthorn that is no better than Dow or Carroll.

 

[billings2paddy]

the news aside Windy is a must keep. no point padding out the list with players like TDK, Aleer and Ryan if we have no inside mids.

i do think theres more playing out though. i have a nasty suspicion i think Steele might be moving on along with Marshall.

Steele and a future 3rd for ryan on the eagles board is the go
Delusional

 

[gringo2011]

Delicious

I don't actually enjoy the pain and suffering of other clubs fans.

Also as someone who's found the constant barrage of bad luck falling our way for years quite draining, I've become scared of upsetting the footy gods.

I'm trying to be better in case the malicious overlords ruin Max King's knees or strike down TDK in his first match.

 

[Saints4ever]

Absolutely love Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

.

I’m just not sure he’s suited to Ross Lyon football.

 

[StCicatriz]

Steele and a future 3rd for ryan on the eagles board is the go
Delusional

agree thats delusional

WCE are probably more desperate for Steele than any other clubs rumoured trades IMO

they desperately need improvement and starts in the engine

 

[my name was taken]

Does Clark even fit in our list anymore, 2 year extension signed in march. If we knew windhager would come on this well would the deal have changed

 

[StCicatriz]

Absolutely love Jack Steele.

I’m just not sure he’s suited to Ross Lyon football.

i don't think he's suited to St Kilda TBH

the weight of expectation looks to really get to him

he'd be better off at WCE where he's not captain where someone like Reid takes the spot light off him

 

[Joffaboy]

agree thats delusional

WCE are probably more desperate for Steele than any other clubs rumoured trades IMO

they desperately need improvement and starts in the engine

Contracted so they have to be seen to be trying to get the best deal.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Well if Windy, Marshall and Steele go we are still getting an exodus, we are just getting players back. Also none of us made it up. It was reported and commented on. What are you boorish chest beating oafs wanting?

 

[gringo2011]

To be fair to gringo2011 , he did say that he was very outside and not really the player we needed at the time, more the cream. And he was largely correct. Especially early days. I remember Ratts clearly instructing the players to give him the ball.

However, in general I still think he has been a pretty good addition; you also do have to figure in what he’s done for the team and indigenous players outside of just playing.

I do remember he got hate mail early days which was awful ( probably from some of those odiou FB posters) - but there’s always some. I really hope TDK doesn’t go through the same.

Probably played his best St Kilda footy under Lyon. He seemed to know how to use him to maximum effect. He's won me over in recent year and his joyous nature and cultural worth has been a huge bonus. He genuinely runs more than any player we have ever had and even when they don't use him he's run to provide options for the player to kick to.

 

[Saints4ever]

Massive Flanders fan.

He was A Grade last year.

Didn’t realise he’s only 24.

Sign him up

 

[StCicatriz]

Contracted so they have to be seen to be trying to get the best deal.

Marshall and Steele both contracted works for us here i think.

Geelong are reasonable. WCE not so much.

i think we'll do 4 years for Windy and he'll stay.

Wilkie Captain
Windy VC

 

[Moquo]

Well if Windy, Marshall and Steele go we are still getting an exodus, we are just getting players back. Also none of us made it up. It was reported and commented on. What are you boorish chest beating oafs wanting?

I'll have a pint of Guinness, cheers!

 

[gringo2011]

Had him lined up from the start, and now its TDK's turn. Obviously a pattern going on.

I just know the psychology of footy fans well. I foretold the Hill pile on and I can see how things will go with TDK if he can't win fans over early.

I'm more likely to back our players in than bag them once they come over. I save my harshest criticism for the club administrators who are the responsible staff. Players don't pick themselves or force us to pay them what they get.

Are you sounding like Steve Price these days. Irrational boomer statements accusing people of stuff that hasn't happened for a few likes from the knuckle draggers.

 

[gringo2011]

I'll have a pint of Guinness, cheers!

And with that you've proven yourself to not be one.....so no Guinness for you.

 

[BrutThough]

The media at it again with the creative language - "would offer up to 600k a year".

So we are either offering somewhere between 400-500k per season as a base with incentives that could get it up to 600k OR it's a loaded deal where the most he is making in a single year is 600k but others will be less.

But people see the 600k and assume that's the yearly amount.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Steele and Marshall I'm happy to trade for sweet ass deals. Windy must be retained. Then bring in Mr Burn's ringers. Everything is coming up Milhouse!

 

[BrutThough]

I wouldnt get too carried way with that McKenzie rumour from an unverified twitter account. Nothing in those.

Same with JSOS. None of the big journos are have us in the conversation.

 

[SainterinSydney]

I wouldnt get too carried way with that McKenzie rumour from an unverified twitter account. Nothing in those.

Same with JSOS. None of the big journos are have us in the conversation.

Has FC said anything yet on it?

 

[tomjoad]

Dunstan wouldn’t be kicking goals if you hit him on the chest in the goal square.

Max has missed more than a few from there too. At least Dunstan might try and lead and chase from time to time.