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Not according to say footywire, we're 25 yrs and 7 months vs their 25yr and 5 months.


Port, it's totally fine to use average age as a measure for 'age'.


Speaking of stupid, you do realise a) swapping players out of the same age (e.g. Faull vs Armstrong), makes no difference and b) players age over time, right? If the only veteran we swap out is Kmac say replacing a 31 yo with a 20 yo, and the other 21 players get a year older, we'll be even older same time next year despite that replacement.

Note in addition ot the delistings obviously Port are seeing retirements from the likes of Boak, Rioli and Atkins. They'll be younger than us R1 next year as well.


He was ignored at the start of the year and only got a few games later due to injuries to Dow and Prestia. Based off the start of the year, he's behind Ross and Dow in the pecking-order. I'm hoping his star has since risen at least above Dow's but I doubt the coaches have him in the best 22, much less in the best 22 with Smillie. He or Smillie are going to be a casualty of the Prestia resigning.

Because we're warehousing lots of young players with few prospects like Fawcett on the list and low-ceiling role-players like Green. IMO the best way of judging where a team is at in the cycle would be to look at the age profile by B&F votes. I expect we're quite old on that measure.

I scraped the age data from footywire to do the 3 player swap comparison you created (The difference comes down to decimals versus whole numbers). It was a quick, low-effort demonstration that showed how the team went from older to younger using the changes you listed.

Yes, I know Faull and Armstrong are the same age. That is the point. It took swapping just two players of different ages to move our average age from higher than ports to lower. That is exactly why average age is a terrible metric. It is too easily skewed by outliers like Boak and tells you nothing meaningful about a list.

And thank you for pointing out that players get a year older each year. That applies equally to every side, so it adds zero.

We have not even made delistings yet. Port’s delistings are skewed old, and they will still carry more 27+ players than we will next season.

Kane wasn’t picked start of season because of a preseason injury, and then he didn’t play after another about 2-3 weeks into vfl season when he got injured again and delayed him being picked.

Yes, our B&F finishes skew older because our current best players are in the 25 to 30 bracket. But our best potential players are under 20 and have been cursed by injury. Port’s best players, the likes of Rozee, Butters, Georgiades and JHF, are already 22 to 25. That’s why they’ll skew younger.

So the bottom line average age is a lazy number that collapses under the weight of basic statistical reasoning. If you want to talk about list profiles properly, you need more than birthdays and a calendar.

Anyway to borrow from Lacustrus I’m done responding. Feel free to get the last word in.
 
That boy is as strong as an ox in the marking conteat
No he isn't. If he gets a clean run at it he can hold them sometimes, but they just swipe his shoulders, not illegal, and the arms fold. I had hopes for him when he first came in due to the fact that he had a bit of aggro for a big lad and has some ruck craft.

But now there are plenty of players his height and taller that are far better in the air, and far better on the ground. He never improved really. It was a punt that didn't come off. OHB, he's progressing much better as a ruckman and eventually the markiing thing might click so he is one worth persevering with, just.
 
to add to this; Strength is one thing... having that dawg in you is another.

Samson lacks that grunt, and unlike strength... which can be developed, you either have grunt or you don't.

Imagine if Tim English had the grunt of Toby Greene, he would be a problem! but alas, he doesn't... and he isn't.

that's just how it is.
At least English is athletic with a big spring to offset that lack of grunt, so he doesn't have to wrestle with the really big rucks. Ryan is nothing like that. Paddy Ryder was a string bean but a great athlete and competitor.
 
At least English is athletic with a big spring to offset that lack of grunt, so he doesn't have to wrestle with the really big rucks. Ryan is nothing like that. Paddy Ryder was a string bean but a great athlete and competitor.
I'm no advocate of Ryan, but the new ruck rules where the monsters can hold off the lighter blokes with a straight arm might just benefit Samson
 

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As Grrr said, he just isn't strong enough. Tall enough, skilled, athletic. But seriously not able to go with the monsters.

And good AFL rucks are monsters.

I want him to succeed. But unless his strength jumps he is on the edge of AFL, but not in it.

His problem is he can't consistently mark the footy forward of the ball and rarely drops into the hole to relieve pressure so becomes a massive liability. Just a complete waste of space when he's out there but we're stuck with him because our stocks are very thin.
 
His problem is he can't consistently mark the footy forward of the ball and rarely drops into the hole to relieve pressure so becomes a massive liability. Just a complete waste of space when he's out there but we're stuck with him because our stocks are very thin.

His marking is hit and miss. But until he can start to go head to head physically with Xerri etc he will not be that 31 ruck. Once he can physically do that he starts to aim at a B grade AFl player. Until then, he just doesn't have the ticket to the real game.
 

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all the best Bauer
Always horrible to de-list a kid fresh off an ACL, but there's hope for him yet..
he has special aerial ability... just needs to improve his strength and leading patterns.

lick your wounds, ply your trade in the state league for awhile and go again son.

he'll get a spot somewhere, who knows... maybe WC or Sydney would want some depth in that department.
 
Looking back at the beginning of the year I would have though Bauer was one of the most promising young forwards we had. Enormous aerial ability and could do things that a lot can't. One thing I didn't really like about him was he seemed like he had a poor attitude, a bit of arrogance but the bad kind.
 

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Always horrible to de-list a kid fresh off an ACL, but there's hope for him yet..
he has special aerial ability... just needs to improve his strength and leading patterns.

lick your wounds, ply your trade in the state league for awhile and go again son.

he'll get a spot somewhere, who knows... maybe WC or Sydney would want some depth in that department.
he's going to miss the 26' season with that knee...
Don't think he will find another afl home- could be wrong and wish him the best.
But his level is vfl or sanfl.
 
Always horrible to de-list a kid fresh off an ACL, but there's hope for him yet..
he has special aerial ability... just needs to improve his strength and leading patterns.

lick your wounds, ply your trade in the state league for awhile and go again son.

he'll get a spot somewhere, who knows... maybe WC or Sydney would want some depth in that department.
He’s a bit of an awkward size that’s kind of out of favour in comp right now and given that we hit the draft hard last year with an eye for those more traditional bigger key positions forwards it makes sense that he probably isn’t the right fit for us right now

But given his skills I would love to see him land on a list somewhere else
 

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