List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[Joffaboy]

Unfortunately for clubs atm, if he’s contracted and wants to leave it’s either to the club he wants to go to or he stays. Clubs don’t really have a say except refusing to trade him to the nominated club. AFL need to change this.

As I said, club says, you go where we get the best deal or you stay. They have a contract, they shouldn't have signed.

 

[Speck]

If we trade Marshall are there any forward/rucks who are decent enough to play the FF/CHF alongside or as a backup to King? I'd feel much more comfortable with that.

I'm thinking a Hayden McLean

2

Hayden Mclean

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.0

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.3

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

10.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

G

0.2

3star

type - not a world beater by any stretch but is big and strong enough to do a job and probably take the main key defender from Sharman/Owens. Probably someone 25+ with AFL experience and size already.

Hammer could somewhat do it (although I think he is better as a back) and Keeler in a pinch (but I believe he is more of a mobile CHF than a pack crasher).

No more than a late 2nd or early 3rd and still means we get a first for Marshall.

 

[Minga]

I love when Eddie gets a little Eddie over us. Means we are worth taking noticed of and that only means good things.

Looks like he is taking in the lime light well, nas. Very exciting to have these young leaders coming through and publicly representing the club. Hoping for Pou next.

 

[akaifu]

If we trade Marshall are there any forward/rucks who are decent enough to play the FF/CHF alongside or as a backup to King? I'd feel much more comfortable with that.

I'm thinking a Hayden McLean type - not a world beater by any stretch but is big and strong enough to do a job and probably take the main key defender from Sharman/Owens. Probably someone 25+ with AFL experience and size already.

Hammer could somewhat do it (although I think he is better as a back) and Keeler in a pinch (but I believe he is more of a mobile CHF than a pack crasher).

No more than a late 2nd or early 3rd and still means we get a first for Marshall.

Caminiti & Keeler should be enough imo

Dodson and even JSOS, who has played as a 2nd ruck before, the next layer down

 

[jimmytigs]

He can sell it and buy 3 Chery's for himself, mum and dad.
I have to Aurions with Lexus V6 engines, they go like the clappers on the open road.
Wish I could afford a Lexus.

a chery for himself,mom and dad can share one and one for windy

 

[akaifu]

Cal reporting on Gettable that the 8th year of TDK's deal is around $1m

 

[jimmytigs]

I thought that if Walsh isn’t moving. That the mystery mid was Flanders

mystery mid has been stated is a level above flanders

 

[billings2paddy]

I love when Eddie gets a little Eddie over us. Means we are worth taking noticed of and that only means good things.

He is changing the narrative
Was very very good
Hirdy with some good comments aswell

 

[stavro#4]

Gettable
- TDk coming to the saints. Year 8 will be around $1m

- Butters - Twomey doesn’t think he is going

- Windhager, dogs Melbourne west coast now chasing. 4 year deal from us. Hasn’t signed yet. But believe he will - however MONEY will need to “get to the level”

- Wilkie, clubs still asking the question

- Zac Bailey

33

Zac Bailey

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

- Essendon throwing massive contract at him

- JSoS, 5 year deal more than $4m - expect End of first round pick for Carlton

- Liam Ryan

31

Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

- Bound for st Kilda, 3 year deal + 1. “We don’t have a second round pick this year”

- Max Heath, All but a lock he gets to Melbourne (Twomey)

- Sam Draper - close to band 1 compo

- Rowan Marshall

19

Rowan Marshall

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

- think it simmers, right in the frame for Geelong BUT if the offer isn’t good enough we won’t deal

- Leek Aleer - JSOS won’t impact our chase for leek Aleer, won’t take much from a trade point of view - even pre season draft is an option (Twomey and Beveridge)

- Sam Flanders - saints are keen. First pick is in play.

 

[akaifu]

Bombers preparing 1.3mx6 for Zac Bailey

33

Zac Bailey

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

:O

 

[nikkig98]

Cal reporting on Gettable that the 8th year of TDK's deal is around $1m

You mean we aren't paying him 2m dollars a year every year for 8 years and front ending it so it wont affect our young players who develop?!?!

I can't believe it

 

[nikkig98]

Gettable
- TDk coming to the saints. Year 8 will be around $1m

- Butters - Twomey doesn’t think he is going

- Windhager, dogs Melbourne west coast now chasing. 4 year deal from us. Hasn’t signed yet. But believe he will - however MONEY will need to “get to the level”

- Wilkie, clubs still asking the question

- Zac Bailey - Essendon throwing massive contract at him

- JSoS, 5 year deal more than $4m - expect End of first round pick for Carlton

- Liam Ryan - Bound for st Kilda, 3 year deal + 1. “We don’t have a second round pick this year”

- Max Heath, All but a lock he gets to Melbourne (Twomey)

- Sam Draper - close to band 1 compo

- Rowan Marshall - think it simmers, right in the frame for Geelong BUT if the offer isn’t good enough we won’t deal

- Leek Aleer - JSOS won’t impact our chase for leek Aleer, won’t take much from a trade point of view - even pre season draft is an option (Twomey and Beveridge)

- Sam Flanders - saints are keen. First pick is in play.

thanks for the succinct summary mate. appreciate it

 

[John2010362340]

As I said, club says, you go where we get the best deal or you stay. They have a contract, they shouldn't have signed.

Agree, all clubs should make a stand and say enough is enough.

 

[FQFjt]

What is the story behind JSOS's injury woes?

Recurring injuries or lots of a unrelated issues?

 

[stavro#4]

mystery mid has been stated is a level above flanders

As I’ve said for sometime. Sam Walsh was the only mid I’d heard of that was gettable “at the level above” and it looks like he is staying.

Don’t buy Merrett for a second. All the others have re-signed.

 

[Leap of Faith]

Gettable
- TDk coming to the saints. Year 8 will be around $1m

- Butters - Twomey doesn’t think he is going

- Windhager, dogs Melbourne west coast now chasing. 4 year deal from us. Hasn’t signed yet. But believe he will - however MONEY will need to “get to the level”

- Wilkie, clubs still asking the question

- Zac Bailey - Essendon throwing massive contract at him

- JSoS, 5 year deal more than $4m - expect End of first round pick for Carlton

- Liam Ryan - Bound for st Kilda, 3 year deal + 1. “We don’t have a second round pick this year”

- Max Heath, All but a lock he gets to Melbourne (Twomey)

- Sam Draper - close to band 1 compo

- Rowan Marshall - think it simmers, right in the frame for Geelong BUT if the offer isn’t good enough we won’t deal

- Leek Aleer - JSOS won’t impact our chase for leek Aleer, won’t take much from a trade point of view - even pre season draft is an option (Twomey and Beveridge)

- Sam Flanders - saints are keen. First pick is in play.

Must keep Windy. Do whatever it takes to get his signature.

 

[aidansbonor]

Would way rather pay Bailey as a FA next year than Merrett.

 

[stavro#4]

Would way rather pay Bailey as a FA next year than Merrett.

If Essendon are offering 1.3m a year 12 months out. He is going to get paid even more next year.

We won’t have the cap space for that in 2026.

 

[Klaatu]

I know Ross is very keen on Elijah Hewett from WC

 

[stavro#4]

What is the story behind JSOS's injury woes?

Recurring injuries or lots of a unrelated issues?

Did a knee a couple of years ago.

Pretty sure he has had a few impact injuries across his time.

Interestingly that Sam McClure ( ) called him Carlton’s most competitive player. That resonated well with me

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I really hope that we're only in on JSOS media to pump up the price and make the Pies pay more. He's a below average footballer, soft, and wouldn't even be in the league if it wasn't for his dad. No more GOPs please. Prioritise Flanders.

Whatever you may think of him, he’s not soft lol

 

[bergholt]

I feel for Dalrymple, at this rate he won't have a pick under 80 to use for the next five years

 

[TheJackal]

I know Ross is very keen on Elijah Hewett from WC

I believe we tried to trade up to get him in his draft. Reckon Mini could do us a solid?

 

[stavro#4]

I feel for Dalrymple, at this rate he won't have a pick under 80 to use for the next five years

It sounds like he will only miss this draft and potentially if Marshall goes, not even that.

 

[nikkig98]

What is the story behind JSOS's injury woes?

Recurring injuries or lots of a unrelated issues?

Not the biggest fan of AI slop, but heres a compiled injury timeline for Jack Silvagni from 2019 onwards with chatgpt, most of the sources used are from carlton and afl official site so it seems mostly correct:

Jack Silvagni Injury Timeline (2019–2025)​

2020

• 27 Jun 2020 — Bruised lung and fractured rib (v Essendon, R5). Hospital overnight. Missed the next two games (R6–R7).
• Aug 2020 — Knee (ITB release surgery). Required 4–6 weeks recovery, effectively ending his season.

2021

• 18 Mar 2021 — Dislocated shoulder (v Richmond, R1). Missed Round 2, returned Round 3.
• 10 Apr 2021 — Right shoulder ligament issue (v Gold Coast, R4). Minor procedure, out for about a month. Returned Round 8.
• 9 May 2021 — Concussion (R8). Missed Round 9 under 12-day protocols.

2022

• No medium or long-term injuries reported.

2023

• 22 Jul 2023 — Knee joint sprain (v West Coast, R19). Re-injured in the VFL the following month. Didn’t play AFL again that year, missing the rest of the season from Round 20 onward.

2024

• 24–25 Jan 2024 — Ruptured ACL at training. Season-ending injury, 12-month recovery. Missed the entire 2024 season.

2025

• 27 Apr 2025 — Fractured hand (v Geelong, R7). Had surgery, missed 1–2 games, returned around Round 10.
• 16 May 2025 — Groin soreness (v Sydney, R10). Missed roughly one game (Round 11).
• Jul–Aug 2025 — Ongoing groin issues. Given recovery blocks, then officially shut down for the final three games of the season.