Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[jj1978]

I'm just glad we don't throw out silly deals like this ourself. Anyways, in unrelated chat, wonder what the contract status of Zac Williams and Mitch McGovern is like ATM?

Hearing McGovern to the Saints

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

What’s so perplexing about landing a superstar player to your footy club?

Geelong landed Danger & Jezza. Probably netted them a flag.

Richmond landed Lynch probably helped them win in 2019.

Brisbane landed Daniher he was the difference in that Prelim. Resulted in winning a flag.

Adelaide got Rankine. He’s been a difference maker to them climbing up so rapidly this year.

Cleverly working the Free Agency / Trade period is as, if not more, important to drafting when your in the window. Landing a big fish isn’t everything but good lord they help!

Adelaide aside, they were in premiership windows. We arent. Massive difference.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

How did "nett loss" work for GWS last year with Perryman and Cummings?

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

If I was running the joint then I would be happy with a deal that looks like this:

All of Sydney's draft picks for this year, next year (as it stands), Justin McInerney and Papley for Charlie, pick 34 and F2.

If we do a deal with the Suns then all of their picks for next year, pick 15 for this year (as it stands), Bailey Humphrey and Sam Flanders for Charlie and the pick we get for Jsos.

I wouldn't budge from that. Use the picks we get in return for Charlie to get an A grade talent that actually suites our playing group and hit 2026 with a revamped roster.

Its Charlie Curnow with a bung knee. Not God.

 

[Juddrockz]

And if he doesn't want the #1 jumper and wants to forge his own identity at the club?

He doesn't take the number? Easy peasy.

 

[bradfisher14]

Hearing McGovern to the Saints

I can't tell if you're joking

 

[jj1978]

I can't tell if you're joking

At this point it doesn’t sound far fetched. They’re going all in for a flag… McGov could be cheap and if he plays 15+ games near full potential would be that X factor they need down back or up front.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

He ain’t it. As much as he looks great on paper, it really doesn’t match up from what the vision shows. From what I’ve seen, he’s a contest to contest mid. We already have that in Jagga, Cooper and all our mids really. He isn’t good under pressure so for all the highlights he has, there’s a down side to him. All he’ll end up as is a depth option for us, especially with his injury history. Big no.

In fact, majority of the players we have been linked to according to the meeeeeeeeedya is so underwhelming. We need to find players under 25 who have actually shown something for a decent period of time, say 2-3 years. For example, Tom Powell from North, Flanders from GC, Cooper Sharman from the Saints, McInernery from the Swans. These are the types we should be at the front of queue for offering overs to bring them to our club. I am literally praying that Chris Davies has this sort of vision when he comes over during trade period.

Speed and he can kick. Chesser is what we are missing. Not seeing the issue with him.

 

[Monty1978]

If St Kilda were a football (soccer) team, they’d be Napoli. Just like Napoli have a Manchester United support group with Hojlund, McTominay and Lukaku. St Kilda have a Carlton support group with Dow, Carroll, Stocker, TDK and Jack Silvagni.

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Difference is Napoli is relevant and win things on a lower budget than their bigger rivals … forza Napoli

 

[The Bighouse]

I'm just glad we don't throw out silly deals like this ourself. Anyways, in unrelated chat, wonder what the contract status of Zac Williams and Mitch McGovern is like ATM?

ZW 1 more year under his FA contract
MM OOC and up in the air for trade or to stay (trigger just missed)
Both on a lot less coin than they’ve taken in years before, if to stay at CFC.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Some people here won’t like what I’m about to say, but I don’t particularly care.

If Carlton had been a better-run club—regardless of who was coach—Jack Silvagni and Charlie Curnow wouldn’t have ended up in this position.

Jack Silvagni

On Monday night I posted that while we all love how “unconditional” Jack plays, he’s actually been one of the most conditional players we’ve had in 20 years. I stand by that.

We’ve given Jack more love and latitude than almost any late draft pick in AFL history. Since the modern father-son system came in, no pick in the 50s has been indulged the way he has.

A late pick usually plays with gratitude, grabs any role offered, and fights to prove themselves. Not Jack.

Early Career
Coaches saw him as a defender—he flat-out refused. Why? Because that was Dad’s territory. Instead of embracing the challenge, he demanded to play forward. He struggled.

The club tried to reinvent him as a midfielder/utility in the VFL. Showed promise, and when tested in the seniors (on Nat Fyfe, no less), he excelled. That could’ve been his position. Instead, he dismissed it almost as soon as it started.

Voss Era
Voss finally found a role that stuck—forward/backup ruck. Jack played it well, his most consistent stretch. But let’s be clear: it was his preferred forward role with a compromise attached. He said all the right things, but history shows he only accepted roles on his terms.

Reality check: he was a fringe player. Solid, but not indispensable. And the club was almost always fair with him - a couple of omissions come to mind as the outlier rather than the norm.

The turning point.
Injury struck. The team moved on. Kemp got a chance up forward late in the year and showed traits Jack never had—separation, leap, athleticism. Combine Kemp with Charlie and Harry and suddenly the forward line looked set.

Jack saw the writing on the wall. Almost a decade in, he finally requested to be considered as a defender. At last.

To his credit, he trained hard, came into the season looking fit, and showed glimpses down back. But injuries again ended his season early.
We’re talking about pick 53 who twice refused the roles the club identified for him. He only accepted the defender role when his forward spot was gone.

Any other pick 53 who pushed back like that would’ve been cut long before they got the chance to “figure it out.”

Carlton didn’t just tolerate Jack. We bent over backwards for him—showing him more love and patience than almost any other player in his draft range would ever get.

Instead, Jack demonstrates that he's entitled.

You want players to have freedom? Jack had it at a level never before seen.


Charlie Curnow

Some people won’t like this either, but let’s talk about Charlie Curnow.

We all know he’s a freakish talent. When he’s on, he’s unstoppable. Back-to-back Colemans don’t happen by accident. But the path to get here? It’s not just about perseverance—it’s also about freedom and agency that most players would never be granted.

Charlie hasn’t exactly lived like a monk. Many off-field activities that most footballers would never get clearance for—he’s indulged them. Those freedoms have directly contributed to setbacks. His injuries haven’t all been “bad luck”—some of them trace back to lifestyle and choices outside the club’s control.

At Carlton, that behaviour didn’t see him reined in. Instead, he was trusted to keep doing his thing while the club absorbed the consequences. Any other player—especially one without Charlie’s raw talent—would’ve been pulled into line, told to focus on footy, or quietly shown the door.

And when the injuries piled up, Charlie wasn’t treated like a standard player. He had a say in his rehab. When the club wanted one approach, he wanted another—and more often than not, he got his way. He stepped away from standard timelines, rebuilt his body on his terms, and the club gave him the latitude to do it.

That’s not how it works for most footballers. Usually, it’s “do the program or you’re out.” Charlie got trust and space

Eventually, it worked. Carlton’s patience and indulgence paid off—he returned, dominated, and has become everything we hoped he’d be.

But let’s not pretend this treatment was normal. If a lesser player had suffered repeated setback from personal choices, they’d have faced greater scrutiny. Charlie’s once-in-a-generation talent bought him freedoms that others wouldn’t even dream of.

Charlie’s game style reflects the same freedom. He plays with a laid-back, individual-first approach. He’ll pull off the spectacular, but when the contest demands a second effort or a hard chase, too often he doesn’t deliver. He’s not a gut-buster. He’s not the type to grind away for a teammate’s benefit.


That’s been part of the package from day one: mercurial, brilliant, but not always team-first in the one-percenters. Again, it’s tolerated because he can turn a game on its head with one burst of brilliance.

Charlie Curnow is a superstar. But he’s also the beneficiary of a system that bent over backwards—not just for his recovery, but for the freedoms he took off the field that played a role in his injuries.

That gamble paid off for Carlton from 2022 through most of 2024. But let’s be honest: almost no one else would’ve been given that much rope.

The Common Thread​

Carlton bent over backwards for both Jack Silvagni and Charlie Curnow. Jack was indulged when he knocked back roles and only accepted positions on his terms. Charlie was indulged when his off-field choices contributed to injuries and when his laid-back, individual-first mindset meant he wasn’t always giving second efforts.

Both were given freedoms, patience, and agency that most AFL players would never receive. Their talent (in Charlie’s case) and surname (in Jack’s case) bought them leeway that others simply wouldn’t have had.

A better-managed football club would have struck the balance: giving both players some freedom to be themselves, but holding them accountable early, setting hard boundaries, and keeping them in line. Instead, Carlton blurred those lines and let indulgence become the norm.

Love this.

 

[reubsblues]

Say we get 2x band 1 picks, what do we think about this...

9 & 10 to Essendon for F1 and pick 25

Would get us Dean this year and Walker next

**** this makes me so angry that we might have to even consider this the afl is so corrupt it's not even funny, if we and other clubs don't fight this I will be very disappointed
It's so convenient that when Brisbane were get the ashcrofts and Fletcher the Afl didn't even consider changing the fs rule

 

[katmanblue]

"Alright Carlton, you can take Cody Walker under the father-son in 2026, but you only get Band 2 for Jack this year as we've already cooked the top end of the 2025 Draft"

AFL House, probably.

Give that to us in writing, publicly.

 

[katmanblue]

And if he doesn't want the #1 jumper and wants to forge his own identity at the club?

Has already said he wants it.

 

[Dramoth]

Say we get 2x band 1 picks, what do we think about this...

9 & 10 to Essendon for F1 and pick 25

Would get us Dean this year and Walker next

That'll give the drug cheats 5 first round picks this year if Draper gives them a band 1 compo pick.

 

[Opium]

Some people here won’t like what I’m about to say, but I don’t particularly care.

If Carlton had been a better-run club—regardless of who was coach—Jack Silvagni and Charlie Curnow wouldn’t have ended up in this position.

Jack Silvagni

On Monday night I posted that while we all love how “unconditional” Jack plays, he’s actually been one of the most conditional players we’ve had in 20 years. I stand by that.

We’ve given Jack more love and latitude than almost any late draft pick in AFL history. Since the modern father-son system came in, no pick in the 50s has been indulged the way he has.

A late pick usually plays with gratitude, grabs any role offered, and fights to prove themselves. Not Jack.

Early Career
Coaches saw him as a defender—he flat-out refused. Why? Because that was Dad’s territory. Instead of embracing the challenge, he demanded to play forward. He struggled.

The club tried to reinvent him as a midfielder/utility in the VFL. Showed promise, and when tested in the seniors (on Nat Fyfe, no less), he excelled. That could’ve been his position. Instead, he dismissed it almost as soon as it started.

Voss Era
Voss finally found a role that stuck—forward/backup ruck. Jack played it well, his most consistent stretch. But let’s be clear: it was his preferred forward role with a compromise attached. He said all the right things, but history shows he only accepted roles on his terms.

Reality check: he was a fringe player. Solid, but not indispensable. And the club was almost always fair with him - a couple of omissions come to mind as the outlier rather than the norm.

The turning point.
Injury struck. The team moved on. Kemp got a chance up forward late in the year and showed traits Jack never had—separation, leap, athleticism. Combine Kemp with Charlie and Harry and suddenly the forward line looked set.

Jack saw the writing on the wall. Almost a decade in, he finally requested to be considered as a defender. At last.

To his credit, he trained hard, came into the season looking fit, and showed glimpses down back. But injuries again ended his season early.
We’re talking about pick 53 who twice refused the roles the club identified for him. He only accepted the defender role when his forward spot was gone.

Any other pick 53 who pushed back like that would’ve been cut long before they got the chance to “figure it out.”

Carlton didn’t just tolerate Jack. We bent over backwards for him—showing him more love and patience than almost any other player in his draft range would ever get.

Instead, Jack demonstrates that he's entitled.

You want players to have freedom? Jack had it at a level never before seen.


Charlie Curnow

Some people won’t like this either, but let’s talk about Charlie Curnow.

We all know he’s a freakish talent. When he’s on, he’s unstoppable. Back-to-back Colemans don’t happen by accident. But the path to get here? It’s not just about perseverance—it’s also about freedom and agency that most players would never be granted.

Charlie hasn’t exactly lived like a monk. Many off-field activities that most footballers would never get clearance for—he’s indulged them. Those freedoms have directly contributed to setbacks. His injuries haven’t all been “bad luck”—some of them trace back to lifestyle and choices outside the club’s control.

At Carlton, that behaviour didn’t see him reined in. Instead, he was trusted to keep doing his thing while the club absorbed the consequences. Any other player—especially one without Charlie’s raw talent—would’ve been pulled into line, told to focus on footy, or quietly shown the door.

And when the injuries piled up, Charlie wasn’t treated like a standard player. He had a say in his rehab. When the club wanted one approach, he wanted another—and more often than not, he got his way. He stepped away from standard timelines, rebuilt his body on his terms, and the club gave him the latitude to do it.

That’s not how it works for most footballers. Usually, it’s “do the program or you’re out.” Charlie got trust and space

Eventually, it worked. Carlton’s patience and indulgence paid off—he returned, dominated, and has become everything we hoped he’d be.

But let’s not pretend this treatment was normal. If a lesser player had suffered repeated setback from personal choices, they’d have faced greater scrutiny. Charlie’s once-in-a-generation talent bought him freedoms that others wouldn’t even dream of.

Charlie’s game style reflects the same freedom. He plays with a laid-back, individual-first approach. He’ll pull off the spectacular, but when the contest demands a second effort or a hard chase, too often he doesn’t deliver. He’s not a gut-buster. He’s not the type to grind away for a teammate’s benefit.


That’s been part of the package from day one: mercurial, brilliant, but not always team-first in the one-percenters. Again, it’s tolerated because he can turn a game on its head with one burst of brilliance.

Charlie Curnow is a superstar. But he’s also the beneficiary of a system that bent over backwards—not just for his recovery, but for the freedoms he took off the field that played a role in his injuries.

That gamble paid off for Carlton from 2022 through most of 2024. But let’s be honest: almost no one else would’ve been given that much rope.

The Common Thread​

Carlton bent over backwards for both Jack Silvagni and Charlie Curnow. Jack was indulged when he knocked back roles and only accepted positions on his terms. Charlie was indulged when his off-field choices contributed to injuries and when his laid-back, individual-first mindset meant he wasn’t always giving second efforts.

Both were given freedoms, patience, and agency that most AFL players would never receive. Their talent (in Charlie’s case) and surname (in Jack’s case) bought them leeway that others simply wouldn’t have had.

A better-managed football club would have struck the balance: giving both players some freedom to be themselves, but holding them accountable early, setting hard boundaries, and keeping them in line. Instead, Carlton blurred those lines and let indulgence become the norm.

Thanks for sharing and putting things into perspective.

 

[Gavstar]

Say we get 2x band 1 picks, what do we think about this...

9 & 10 to Essendon for F1 and pick 25

Would get us Dean this year and Walker next

AFL mouth pieces (Twomey et al) are already saying Jacks to old for us to get Band 1 compo FFS!

Secret herbs and spices once again.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

 

[mrkyuss]

Only thing holding back Compo is the AFL Le hate for Carlton. Remember when we applied for assistance with a worse record than GC. They got Noah Anderson

15

Noah Anderson

Age

24

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

and we got access to two hush league picks lol

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I get your point but Hayward is as good as any mid-sized forward in the competition. He is an A-grader for his position. Campbell is imo a top two kick in the AFL and can be used back, wing or forward effectively. McInerney and Roberts would give us flankers at either end that can use the ball really well. Curnow is a star but Carlton would be a better team in 2026 and future years with those four over Curnow imo.

In terms of the picks I think Hayward would definitely be worth a very good first round pick OR a pick in the teens and something else. Campbell a late first/early second. McInerney probably the same. Roberts closer to a 2nd.

In saying that as I said above I don't think the Swans would ever do a deal like that and we would be taking on way too much salary for just Curnow going out.

100% This.

 

[reubsblues]

The Afl is one of the most corrupt sporting organization in the world driven by the media and the minority

 

[Blue_Fusion]

How did "nett loss" work for GWS last year with Perryman and Cummings?

Band 1 for Perryman and Band 2 for Cummings. Picks 16 + 21

 

[ForeverForward]

The Afl is one of the most corrupt sporting organization in the world driven by the media and Collingwood

I fixed that for you

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

noting the AFL sanctioned a 10 yr deal for a 27yo Buddy,

 

[yibbida]

The Afl is one of the most corrupt sporting organization in the world

The AFL are amateurs when it comes to sporting corruption.