List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[Coconut_twirl]

Everyone wants to whinge about St Kilda paying overs, no one wants to whinge about Collingwood paying for Grundy and Treloar to play for other clubs.

Remember, Saints are apparently paying a decent portion of Billings wage to play at Melbourne. Or play in the VFL.

 

[jumperfan]

Hahahahaha get ****ed Carlton

 

[phantom13]

I really don't get the concern about it blowing up on us.

Worst case scenario is our recruits are duds and we try to get rid of them or wait out their contracts. We still have a really good core of young kids coming through.

It’s in your post.

Waiting our Jsos for 5 and TDK for 7 or 8 with their salaries will be pretty crippling for us.

To be perfectly clear I like that we’re being aggressive and back the calls but it’s a bit ridiculous to suggest it’s not high risk.

 

[bird_man]

No, it is because he is asking way more than he is worth. Do the work like NAZ and get rewarded.

Way more than he is worth, you mean like the two guys we just signed?

Do you think Silvagni is worth 850k a year?

 

[Coconut_twirl]

I still hope we get Fincher + Voss in the draft.

Get them both. Voss should cost very little, if anything.

 

[BrutThough]

Sorry if it has already been mentioned, but you guys are too prolific to search .

Are we waiting on the Gold Coast to finish their season before Flanders nominates us or is it just rumours he wants to come to us?

Just rumoured at this point given he is contracted for next year.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Way more than he is worth, you mean like the two guys we just signed?

Different scenarios and you know that

 

[tomjoad]

agreed, it was strange not being linked to him initially given he's a perfect fit for the Battle-sized hole in the backline. in a year where we deliberately set cash aside to target free agency it was a no-brainer to go after him

does make you wonder how long it was simmering under the surface given his strong relationships with key people the club. maybe he was told to go out and establish his market value with a couple of clubs to avoid any conflicts of interest and then come back to us

There was a poster that said that JSOS had committed to St.Kilda about halfway through the season

 

[Saints43]

You don't think the sliding door was Nas resigning? He chooses to leave and we likely go backwards and players don't want in. Looking at Carlton and Essendon where players have lost hope you realise how lucky we were to get him to sign.

You're saying SOS has saved the club?

 

[goodie23]

Define irony: the number of Carlton fans calling us rabble... saltier than the Dead Sea

 

[bird_man]

Different scenarios and you know that

Of course they are, but in the end it's the end result that matters.

In no world is Silvagni worth 850k a year. It's fine to over pay players every now and then, but you need to way up the cost.

If it means losing one of your best young players I think it's worth a discussion

 

[Molly29]

You don't think the sliding door was Nas resigning? He chooses to leave and we likely go backwards and players don't want in. Looking at Carlton and Essendon where players have lost hope you realise how lucky we were to get him to sign on.

I'm elated that we will hit 2026 going all guns blazing but realistically it's potentially blow the place up if this very high risk strategy goes sour.

You "positive" people seem very keen to get a pat on the head for your lack of concern. It's very needy behaviour. Quite unbecoming.

All these players are coming because they want to be able to tell their grandkids one day that they played with NAS

 

[hayes]

Looks like the Caminiti in defense days are over. Should be good for his development but we need him forward. Can’t have just Sharman up there with cameos from Mason Wood

32

Mason Wood

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.3

2star

D

8.3

2star

K

2.7

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.3

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

who all of a sudden can’t kick straight and occasionally Keeler.

I’m thinking Aleer, Silvagni and Wilkie as the tall defenders with Tauru filling in for injury and giving him time to develop. Silvagni and Wilkie can use the ball on the way out which will make a massive difference back there.

King, Caminiti and Sharman up forward is much better. Even if only two are available that’s a big improvement on this season.

 

[LJC05]

“Make them an offer they can’t refuse”

 

[Joffaboy]

Posted this in January 2006

Some wonder why I hate Carlton's very existence.

Still rings true today about Carlton. Two decades later and they are just the same. Enjoy

Joffaboy said:
Correct just ask Pagan. he won a massive contract of $850k a season from Carlton to take them to a wooden spoon.

As for cheap shots. You haven't got a clue n00b. You have been around five minutes and get all uppity when a Saints fan has a go at Carlton.

Well lemming let me fill you in. For years you and your ilk arrogantly and smugly agreed with every disparaging insult your club in the guise of Elliott and co spouted about other clubs including the Saints.


"Let them rot" - was the quote atttributed to Collins in 1984 when the Saints were almost insolvent and could only pay their creditors 20c in the dollar. Greats who were loyal like Trevor Barker went to his grave never being paid what he was owed, all for the love of his football team. But we have this arrogant slime enncouraging the then VFL to give the Saints no help and effectively let them fold.

"Who would go to that rabble" were the words of Elliott in 1998 when the Saints were looking at Brittian to coach the Saints. All the arrogant Carlton fans chuckled. Yup what a rabble, look at their finances, look at their wooden spoons.

2001 - Hamill, humiliated and forced out of Carlton by Elliott, who "will hang him out to dry". Even though it was the Carlton admin that sunk the boots into Hamill, Carlton supporters from that moment have disparaged Hamill and called him a traitor (even though they welcolme traitors like Stevens into the fold). Nothing wrong with not liking an ex player but the hatred was taken to idiotic extremes, all because he left Carlton.

2001-2002. All we got from Carlton was. St.Kilda are again embracing mediocrity, all the PP's all the No.1 draft picks blah blah blah. Carlton dont rebuild blah blah blah. Carlton have pride, St.Kilda have none etc.....

2002 - The biggie. First Carlton win their first wooden spoon. personally for me nothing to cheer about, I really couldn't have cared except for the fact that all the arrogance and high horsed big noting done over the years by Collins, Elliott and co, wholeheartedly backed up by the Carlton supporters (who kept voting Elliott in). The Carlton supporters deserved what they got.

But the big news was that Carlton had been caught cheating again. This time the league threw the book at them. So in light of losing their PP and N0.1 DP Goddard goes to the Saints and Wells to North.

The hue and cry from Carlton supporters was amazing. First denying they cheated then railing against St.Kilda because Goddard was once a Carlton supporter. This led to an effort to bombard Goddard with emails to get him to come "home".

Then we have the insults and disparaging posts about how "supercoach" Pagan was going to take you up the ladder and how Grant Thomas couldn't coach. When asked for examples since that time, not one has been forthcoming. When asked for a head to head while Pagan has been at Carlton, the lemmings go mute. Not one fact to back up their insults, just another cheap shot at St.Kilda

So what do we have. Carlton arrogance and schadenfreude at the plight of others and then insults and dismissive arrogance about St.Kilda's chances, here is a list

1) St.Kilda was "given" their current list
2)St.Kilda wil lose all of their players to other clubs
3) St.Kilda "stole" Hamill and Goddard
4) Grant Thomas is absolute crap but Pagan is a supercoach
5) Carlton never cheated and the AFL are out to get us and favour St.Kilda
6) Its football socialism, and AFL have wrecked football by given everyone a chance.

All of the above in various forms from Carlton supporters over the years.

But then what do we get in 2005? Carlton are a financial rabble. And who is in charge? The "Let them Rot" person himself in Collins. Funny now it is different when the boot is on the other foot isn't it?

I enjoy Carltons plight, not because i want to see them "Rot" as Collins would callously put it, but because arrogant Carlton supporters who basked in the reflected glory and bullying of Collins and Elliott et al are getting their comeuppance and are getting a lesson in humility and how to be humble.

And the final irony of this whole sorry saga. Carlton fans wanted their team to TANK, that's right actually wanting their team to lose games so they can get better draft picks. Thats correct, you heard me clearly, that self same socialist system that has supposedly brought Carlton's dominance to its end, along with that dastardly AFL's connivance, has been embraced, has been lauded. And Carlton supporters wanted their team to throw games to effectively compromise it

All through the insults, the questioning of the Saints integrity, culture, history, all the barbs at the "free ride" we were supposedly give, all the dismissive eyerolling and hand waving and arrogance toward our "gifted list", did I ever, ever hear that St.Kilda didn't try. I heard pathetic, culture, rabble, 26 wooden spoons, 1 premiership etc, but never did I read that the Saints turned it up.

Never did I read a Saints supporter wanting the Saints to lose. On the contrary, if Wolf had not hit the post against Sydney in 2002, or we tried so hard at Optus Oval against Freo in 2002 who were on track for the finals, we could have drafted both Goddard and Wells.

For years Carlton lemmings like you have questioned St.Kilda's character, integrity, worth, and culture and then, when it finally dawns on Carlton fans that they are in the 21st century not the 20th where rich benefactors will buy players and therefore flags, what do they do? Do they suck it up and show some integrity, some character, some intestinal fortitude, the self same virtues they accuse others of not having? No, they Want their team to lose as a perceived way of an easy climb up the ladder.

And you have the temerity to reckon a couple of St.Kilda fans have constant cheap shots:

Fair dinkum, from the crap we have had to endure at your clubs hands over the years and the rampant hypocrisy of its thin skinned supporters, I reckon you have a flaming hide.

No bugger off n00b, have an idea before you begin your petty harping.

 

[BrutThough]

The reporting of the JSOS salary, which apparently gets bigger every time someone speaks about it, gives similar vibes to when we got Crouch.

Media was adamant that it was a contract to trigger band 1 when in reality, it was band 3. I highly doubt we are offering enough to trigger band 1. It just generates more clicks from the Carlton fans.

 

[Hayes4PM]

They should just look in their own backyard and get their house in order.
Or, so we're told.

Bit of an exodus if you will

 

[tassiesaint2024]

Of course they are, but in the end it's the end result that matters.

In no world is Silvagni worth 850k a year. It's fine to over pay players every now and then, but you need to way up the cost.

If it means losing one of your best young players I think it's worth a discussion

If you genuinely think it’s $850 a year. I have some magic beans to sell you.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Of course they are, but in the end it's the end result that matters.

In no world is Silvagni worth 850k a year. It's fine to over pay players every now and then, but you need to way up the cost.

If it means losing one of your best young players I think it's worth a discussion

I don’t believe that’s what he’ll be paid. I also don’t believe Windy will leave

 

[bird_man]

I don’t believe that’s what he’ll be paid. I also don’t believe Windy will leave

I hope you're right on both accounts

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Nope. These players all had their contracts heavily front loaded. That is why we have so much cap space to spend big.
Hill´s last two years will be on very small wages, the others very much unders, having taken the early bump of front loading.

Having said that, we will have. a plan for paying the young players coming through..

It has clearly been a well thought out strategy to get in a lot of young players, allowing us to front load the current stars, thereby creating a warchest that we are now splashing, to the general shock and amazement of the general AFL community.

Finally someone gets it

 

[Train12]

Listening to sen today on the way home from work and the dribble Carlton’s supporters were calling in with, well all I say now is **** them.

And Andy Maher, passive aggressive comments, salt as ****, but when being called out on it, just uses that stupid Keith word to deflect.

I hope TDK is all Australian next year and JSOS plays all games next year.

Funny thing is with Carlton, is media personalities this year tipped them for the flag…next year, bottom 4

 

[TheJackal]

Pardon the intrusion! Congrats on beating us in the JSOS race.

Genuinely love what you guys are doing by just going for it. If I was a member, I'd be over the moon at the aggression shown by your list management.

Slightly annoyed that you may have unlocked band 1 compo for Carlton but it makes me happier knowing they put in the hard yards and finally turned him into a competent player...only for him to leave straight after.

Just so you know I flipping hate Collingwood with a passion and hope you go out in straight sets. But thank you for the kind words about us, much appreciated.

 

[stavro#4]

 

[Max the great]

Im pretty sure JSOS + TDK are mates...

They are best mates