Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[4flagsin5yrs]

Out of the white wash of it all. Imo, I definitely think we’d have the picks and cash to have a real crack at a Bailey or butters. If Charlie ends up going and we end up getting more picks, then that’s where I’d be throwing my chips.

I'd be wary of Bailey on big coin....

He won't move the needle much for us imo.

Never kicked more than 37 goals in a season.

Last year, only 22 goals...

Yes, he's great as a 5th forward - when defenders are more worried about Morris, Ah Chee, Hipwood, Raynor, Cameron, Lohmann...

It's the sum of parts... not saying he's not a good player, but on huge coin?

 

[The Blueseum]

also works on the dancefloor

The 'fishing rod' or 'lasoo' are also options.

 

[Jimmae]

Future captain? He'll be 30 next year.

 

[Wickzki]

Future captain? He'll be 30 next year.

I guess I was wrong for claiming Weiters would be too old it when Doc suggested he was a few years off being ready for captaincy.

 

[Kernafides]

 

[TrueQldBlue]

I'd be wary of Bailey on big coin....

He won't move the needle much for us imo.

Never kicked more than 37 goals in a season.

Last year, only 22 goals...

Yes, he's great as a 5th forward - when defenders are more worried about Morris, Ah Chee, Hipwood, Raynor, Cameron, Lohmann...

It's the sum of parts... not saying he's not a good player, but on huge coin?

No to Bailey

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Someone tell me in what world and any amount of money would Zac Bailey want to go to Essendon.

Clearly there is a number. TDK just went to St Kilda for $1.8 Mil

 

[Chism]

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Lost me at Expert committee!

 

[Wickzki]

* have targeted Bailey largely as a defensive mechanism.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Clearly there is a number. TDK just went to St Kilda for $1.8 Mil

So somewhere north of $2m then.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Too much power already sits with the players, sounds like contracts are not worth the paper they're written on. Agree to let him go if he wants, but it must be on Carlton's terms not his.

I genuinely don't know what this means TBH. I know on Carlton Big Footy it means "other teams contracted gun players" but that's completely unrealistic I would suggest.

 

[ctwenty1]

* have targeted Bailey largely as a defensive mechanism.

sorry what do yoiu mean by "as a defensive mechanism" Wiz?

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

It’s not that simple, we should be trying to keep him, if for nothing else than maximising his value.

Your approach would see him out the door for a first plus Florant.

What's the value of a key position forward pushing 30, with questionable knee health, who half asses it half the time when he manages to make it on the field, whose management, I'm assuming at Charlie's behest, is laying the groundwork for a trade?

What do you think it's worth exactly? Genuinely curious.

 

[Wickzki]

sorry what do yoiu mean by "as a defensive mechanism" Wiz?

If Brisbane want to keep him they're going to have to improve their offer.

This is happening at the same time as Brisbane locking onto at least one significant money target from *.

Regardless, if they get Bailey then they've got a damn good player.

 

[bigblueboy]

I genuinely don't know what this means TBH. I know on Carlton Big Footy it means "other teams contracted gun players" but that's completely unrealistic I would suggest.

Sydney are desperate for a decent KPF and they/AFL covet a marketable goal kicker in that market.
It’s not just a battle for wins, it’s a battle for audience/sponsor share.
Can guarantee they will be prepared to pay overs … whether their stars are prepared to move is a different conversation.

 

[LFTWNG11]

What's the value of a key position forward pushing 30, with questionable knee health, who half asses it half the time when he manages to make it on the field, whose management, I'm assuming at Charlie's behest, is laying the groundwork for a trade?

What do you think it's worth exactly? Genuinely curious.

I don’t know what his value is but it’s safe to assume if we approach the trade by downplaying his value, it won’t be a good outcome for Carlton, which is what we all want.

 

[agro]

What's the value of a key position forward pushing 30, with questionable knee health, who half asses it half the time when he manages to make it on the field, whose management, I'm assuming at Charlie's behest, is laying the groundwork for a trade?

What do you think it's worth exactly? Genuinely curious.

 

[Osc1]

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****ing bush league I tell ya!

 

[The Bighouse]

If Brisbane want to keep him they're going to have to improve their offer.

This is happening at the same time as Brisbane locking onto at least one significant money target from *.

Regardless, if they get Bailey then they've got a damn good player.

And a having a little bit of a dip at Draper (though the compo might appease * of that).

 

[bringdoullback]

Delisting lemme and trading CC would mean we need to trade in a kpf. If we can't do that, then the CC trade won't happen.

 

[btdg]

What's the value of a key position forward pushing 30, with questionable knee health, who half asses it half the time when he manages to make it on the field, whose management, I'm assuming at Charlie's behest, is laying the groundwork for a trade?

What do you think it's worth exactly? Genuinely curious.

Curnow is 28, and there's no suggestion he won't at least have another 4-5 years left (Jeremey Cameron is 32, for example, and had a similar dip at the same age). Even if he 'only' repeats 2025 (playing largely as a lone forward in an injury-riddle team) he would still be the Swans second highest goal-scorer (behind Heeney) and an upgrade on their current options. At best he's a Coleman medal winner and a game-breaking star, who is also extremely marketable

For Carlton, whatever we receive has to factor in a) Charlie is the favourite of almost all the kiddies out there, and b) any pick in the 10-20 range is going to get used on a F/S who we will get regardless.

From Carlton's POV, you absolutely can't walk out of this and tell 50,000 primary school kids that their hero basically got traded straight-up for Ollie Florent. You just can't - not when Jack Silvagni left, and TDK, and the team missed the finals.

For Sydney, it then becomes whether they think the risk is worth it.

I've said elsewhere that I think it's probably hard for Sydney, and impossible for Geelong. I think if it is Sydney it has to be something like:

• we get their first round pick, and are maybe able to package this with SOS and TDK compensation to ensure we get two picks + Dean in the top 20.
• we get both depth and a 'feature' player back the other way.

For the feature player - we have to have someone you can point out to the kids and say 'we got that guy'. Papley is that, but clearly seems off the table. Blakey/Heeney/Warner/Gulden = dreaming. I think feature player has to be one of McInerney/Hayward/Logan McDonald/McCartin or as a dark horse, Mills (who has been injured and slipped... enough).

Then we need depth - I'd like to see us push for 1-2 fringe players who just can't fit into a Sydney team that has a couple of academy players, plenty of both young and old guys, etc. Guys who can play for us, but won't for them.

Right now that would be from a list that is something like: Corey Warner, Harry Cunningham, Sam Wicks, Angus Sheldrick, Ollie Florent, Jake Lloyd, Matt Roberts, or an unknown like Will Green (19yo ruck taken at pick 16 a couple of years ago).

Based on that, I think the minimum I think passes for us has to be:
- Sydney first round + Will Hayward + Sam Wicks
That's your 'things are just unresolvable with Charlie'

What I'd hope for would be:
- Sydney first round (pick 12) + McInerney + Sheldrick + Florent

Sydney is probably jumping at the first (subject to players of course). The latter? I mean, it's CHARLIE CURNOW. He turns arguably the Swans weakest position into a strength, puts them into premiership contention, and its giving up their fifth best wing/midfielder, a pick that will slide as far as 15, and some steak knives?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

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This suggests a collective summary of losses. TDKs offer was like 1 and a half free agents. Silvagni may just fall short of 1. I think we should qualify for 2 tier ones based off that description, but I doubt they apply it that way.

 

[Stamos]

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on SEN yesterday was correct.
If a club wants Charlie, their offer has to be “silly to the level that you’d nearly fall off your chair, otherwise don’t even bother calling.”

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Phil Davis on SEN yesterday was correct.
If a club wants Charlie, their offer has to be “silly to the level that you’d nearly fall off your chair, otherwise don’t even bother calling.”

Phil Davis is spot on in this instance.

 

[Dramoth]

sounds liek every joint in my body - rugby rah rah trah

Football, cricket (almost tore the hamstring tendon in the back of my knee in half), mountain biking... rugby was one of the few contact sports I didn't play.