Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[Hoops]

Vicbias in the media, which is not conspiracy theory. It’s evidence based fact

Is the Adelaide media impartial in their football analysis?

 

[demondavey]

You don’t get to bump someone from behind, when they are not expecting contact, hard enough to put them on the ground, 140m from the ball. You never could.

This is correct.

Second one was a bit of a laugh though.

 

[Hoops]

As I said, the first one was 50-50, not much in it but so completely off the ball as to be difficult to ignore. The second one was a free every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Rayner knew it immediately, was laughing before the free was paid.

There was nothing in the 2nd one, Rayner is built like a brick shit house and went down from the slightest bump.

 

[Hoops]

You don’t get to bump someone from behind, when they are not expecting contact, hard enough to put them on the ground, 140m from the ball. You never could.

You're acting like that doesn't happen 100 times a game.

 

[doppleganger]

Well you’re not undeserved if you finish top. I mean didn’t you in 2023?

The two SA teams have 12 top 2 finishes, and lost home finals in 9 of 12 occasions in 21st century.

The eight Melbourne based teams have combined for 13 top 2 finishes, only twice did they fail to make it to a GF - Dees in 22 and Tigers 18

If you only finish top 2 as the result of a soft and advantaged H&A fixture, then you weren't deserving.

Yet the SA sooks pretend they have it hard as they have a couple of extra 1 hr plane trips spread over the course of a 6 month season compared to a team like Essendon.

Travel is a red herring, especially as the most successful "Melbourne" based team Hawthorn actually travels the most. Having a ground familiarity advantage over your opponent is the biggest factor.

Getting 11 games where you enjoy a strong ground advantage compared to 4 or 5 is the biggest factor.

This is why average SA teams are consistently able to finish top 2 when they aren't actually a really strong team, and then lose to "lower ranked" teams.

 

[demondavey]

The two SA teams have 12 top 2 finishes, and lost home finals in 9 of 12 occasions in 21st century.

The eight Melbourne based teams have combined for 13 top 2 finishes, only twice did they fail to make it to a GF - Dees in 22 and Tigers 18

If you only finish top 2 as the result of a soft and advantaged H&A fixture, then you weren't deserving.

Yet the SA sooks pretend they have it hard as they have a couple of extra 1 hr plane trips spread over the course of a 6 month season compared to a team like Essendon.

Travel is a red herring, especially as the most successful "Melbourne" based team Hawthorn actually travels the most. Having a ground familiarity advantage over your opponent is the biggest factor.

Getting 11 games where you enjoy a strong ground advantage compared to 4 or 5 is the biggest factor.

This is why average SA teams are consistently able to finish top 2 when they aren't actually a really strong team, and then lose to "lower ranked" teams.

They’ve been terrible, granted.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Vic bias rules again.
Both prelims at the HOME of footy.

Suffer in ya jocks.

 

[Generalissimo]

Interesting to see the vic bias conspiracy theorists try and reconcile their wacky beliefs with Cam Rayner and Brent Wallace's shameful display last night.

 

[doppleganger]

They’ve been terrible, granted.

Disagree, the problem is they haven't actually been that strong.

As they get the advantaged H&A fixture, they finish higher than they should and then get found out in finals against "lower ranked" opponents who are just better than them.

The H&A fixture advantages teams who have kept a strong home ground, where they enjoy strong familiarity advantage over their opponent, and then also play majority of their "away" games at familiar or neutral venues.

It doesn't favour teams who play neutral blockbusters or sell home games, and travel isn't the big issue... especially for SA teams who travel less than some "Melbourne" based teams.

If you want to finish top 2 on the H&A ladder, you don't want to be a Melbourne based team.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Disagree, the problem is they haven't actually been that strong.

As they get the advantaged H&A fixture, they finish higher than they should and then get found out in finals against "lower ranked" opponents who are just better than them.

The H&A fixture advantages teams who have kept a strong home ground, where they enjoy strong familiarity advantage over their opponent, and then also play majority of their "away" games at familiar or neutral venues.

It doesn't favour teams who play neutral blockbusters or sell home games, and travel isn't the big issue... especially for SA teams who travel less than some "Melbourne" based teams.

If you want to finish top 2 on the H&A ladder, you don't want to be a Melbourne based team.

They finished top because you guys shat the bed 6 weeks ago and lost 4-5 in a row. Before that you were 10 points clear and a lock for top spot. Adelaide don’t finish top if Collingwood had of played just average the last 6 weeks.
And why don’t you put up a poll on the main board who has a better fixture yearly, Collingwood or any non vic team.
I don’t think many agree with you on this. Maybe some of your pies mates do??

 

[LoungeLizard]

They finished top because you guys shat the bed 6 weeks ago and lost 4-5 in a row. Before that you were 10 points clear and a lock for top spot. Adelaide don’t finish top if Collingwood had of played just average the last 6 weeks.
And why don’t you put up a poll on the main board who has a better fixture yearly, Collingwood or any non vic team.
I don’t think many agree with you on this. Maybe some of your pies mates do??

I don't think you are reading what is being said here.

Ok, you think they deserve to be top this year, but why has this been happening on a regular basis?

It seems to me we have enough data now to say doppleganger is onto something.

Explain why they are losing home finals so much?
Are they just chokers, both SA teams?

 

[Carringbush2010]

It was 0-100.

You don’t get to bump someone from behind, when they are not expecting contact, hard enough to put them on the ground, 140m from the ball. You never could.

By the letter of the rules, technically it's a free kick.

In reality, the umps should be paying every single one every game, welcome to 12 hour games of footy.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Is the Adelaide media impartial in their football analysis?

I don’t know why this needs to be spelled so often, but SA (or WA) media don’t pretend to be national.

The main broadcast networks has a lot of employees who have a clear bias

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Disagree, the problem is they haven't actually been that strong.

As they get the advantaged H&A fixture, they finish higher than they should and then get found out in finals against "lower ranked" opponents who are just better than them.

The H&A fixture advantages teams who have kept a strong home ground, where they enjoy strong familiarity advantage over their opponent, and then also play majority of their "away" games at familiar or neutral venues.

Absolute bollocks, I dont understand why people keep saying this when it’s easily disproven.

The gap in difficulty of Adelaide’s fixture (by opponent) compared to collingwoods is negligible, and Adelaide finished with a better record against the top 8.

 

[Humblebob]

They finished top because you guys shat the bed 6 weeks ago and lost 4-5 in a row. Before that you were 10 points clear and a lock for top spot. Adelaide don’t finish top if Collingwood had of played just average the last 6 weeks.
And why don’t you put up a poll on the main board who has a better fixture yearly, Collingwood or any non vic team.
I don’t think many agree with you on this. Maybe some of your pies mates do??

lol What would be the point of that?

Mention anything Collingwood and you lot lose your minds, you’d vote for the negative regardless of fact or reason.

Your team being dogshit for so long has only amplified the usual petulance, West Coast supporters in particular make nearly every gameday thread unreadable.

Vying with Adelaide fans as the most victimised people on the planet.

 

[Humblebob]

I don't think you are reading what is being said here.

Ok, you think they deserve to be top this year, but why has this been happening on a regular basis?

It seems to me we have enough data now to say doppleganger is onto something.

Explain why they are losing home finals so much?
Are they just chokers, both SA teams?

The local media and nuffbag fans do it them, every radio station and news outlet were talking to the Crows like they had already achieved something.

Set them up to fail.

 

[westie]

Interesting to see the vic bias conspiracy theorists try and reconcile their wacky beliefs with Cam Rayner and Brent Wallace's shameful display last night.

Before you know it, RFK Jnr will be a moderator on here!

 

[STPer18]

QLDbias last night was disgusting, they get given enough without whatever the hell that was. Never seen anything like it. Thankfully regional Geelong delivered us all a win for football.

 

[demondavey]

I don't think you are reading what is being said here.

Ok, you think they deserve to be top this year, but why has this been happening on a regular basis?

It seems to me we have enough data now to say doppleganger is onto something.

Explain why they are losing home finals so much?
Are they just chokers, both SA teams?

You could argue Geelong chokes a lot. Lots of PF. Adelaide weren’t the best side, Collingwood were. They were a top 4 side but Collingwood slipped hard the last month allowing them to finish top.

 

[Mr Meow]

You could argue Geelong chokes a lot. Lots of PF. Adelaide weren’t the best side, Collingwood were. They were a top 4 side but Collingwood slipped hard the last month allowing them to finish top.

How many at our home stadium? Just the 2013 QF.

Several "chokes" were "home" finals at our opponents home stadium too.

Other years we were simply the 3rd or 4th best team, meaning a prelim final exit is about meeting expectations.

Adelaide and Port have fluffed genuine home finals from top 4 a lot, and the performances have often been really poor.

 

[Ross]

Port have also straight-setted twice after a third/fourth placed finish. Almost every second year since the current finals system was introduced one of the SA sides has finished top four only to underperform in finals. I've disagreed with dopp on several things in this thread but he's spot on here, Port are the main offender but Adelaide have done their part too. They at least still have the chance to make up for Thursday's result.

 

[demondavey]

How many at our home stadium? Just the 2013 QF.

Several "chokes" were "home" finals at our opponents home stadium too.

Other years we were simply the 3rd or 4th best team, meaning a prelim final exit is about meeting expectations.

Adelaide and Port have fluffed genuine home finals from top 4 a lot, and the performances have often been really poor.

I actually don’t think you choke. I don’t any team with your record could be chokers. I was rebutting the other poster.

 

[doppleganger]

They finished top because you guys shat the bed 6 weeks ago and lost 4-5 in a row. Before that you were 10 points clear and a lock for top spot. Adelaide don’t finish top if Collingwood had of played just average the last 6 weeks.
And why don’t you put up a poll on the main board who has a better fixture yearly, Collingwood or any non vic team.
I don’t think many agree with you on this. Maybe some of your pies mates do??

This isn't a single season point sharky.

25 seasons of the 21st century, after AFL completed ground rationalisation in Melbourne.

The 8 Melbourne based sides have finished top 2 on the H&A ladder a combined 13 times. When they finish top 2, 11 of the 13 times the Melbourne based team have made the GF.

The 2 SA teams have finished top 2 on the H&A ladder a combined 12 times. When they finish top 2, 9 times they have lost home finals and failed to make the GF on 8 (wait and see if Adelaide in 2025 will make it 9 of 12.)

A strong home ground advantage and reduced away disadvantage is what the SA teams enjoy during H&A every year. It helps them finish higher on the H&A than they should, and then they get found out in finals.

 

[doppleganger]

Absolute bollocks, I dont understand why people keep saying this when it’s easily disproven.

The gap in difficulty of Adelaide’s fixture (by opponent) compared to collingwoods is negligible, and Adelaide finished with a better record against the top 8.

It ain't strength of opposition, that is random and helps different teams each year.

It is ground familiarity advantage.

Adelaide and Port play 13 games at AO, 11 of them against an opponent who is unfamiliar at the AO..
a massive advantage.

Of their 10 games away from the AO, they don't play all 10 at the preferred ground of the opponents.

Every year they are advantaged during H&A as a result of ground rationalisation in Melbourne, and the Melbourne clubs not having strong home grounds.

 

[doppleganger]

You could argue Geelong chokes a lot. Lots of PF. Adelaide weren’t the best side, Collingwood were. They were a top 4 side but Collingwood slipped hard the last month allowing them to finish top.

Geelong is another team who benefits from retaining a strong home ground advantage, and playing lots of "away" games at a familiar ground during H&A.

Unlike the SA teams, Geelong lose their advantage comes finals.