List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[CursingFijian]

He’s been ok, he has some things to like. I still can’t see where he fits into our side but as a cordy replacement it’s fair enough.

It’s down to do we still need him and how much will it cost us.

The fact Ross went up to watch him suggests we still have reservations. Unless Ross went up there to do some convincing.

 

[Lennylegs]

Finey is more a club mouthpiece if anything. Not a player one.

How much do you think O’Connor or Mullin are paid?

That’s why they are performing tagging roles.

Not for the 800+k on the table windy sounds like he is taking.

Windy is a better player than those blokes. Gets it done both ways. Easy decision if we're talking a difference of 50k. Would be very counterintuitive if we're paying JSOS and not Windy. Makes no sense.

 

[OxSaint]

The fact Ross went up to watch him suggests we still have reservations. Unless Ross went up there to do some convincing.

Or he was there for coaching purposes more so than recruitment. I’d hope all our coaches are watching every minute of the finals.

 

[pluggeranddoc]

The fact Ross went up to watch him suggests we still have reservations. Unless Ross went up there to do some convincing.

No, the bloke with the chequebook has already done the convincing.
He must've been drunk and confused hum with PA Allir!

 

[stavro#4]

I would love to keep Windy but he is not an $800k player. Due to the roles he plays he could be on of the last 4 picked in the best 22 next year. If he doesn’t continue to improve we could be paying $800k+ for a bloke playing at Sandy and you all will be here criticising the club for this contact.

If this is the line the club is taking I’d imagine it has been a tough decision that has had a lot of thought put into it.

Losing Windhager is not the end of the world.

We are not getting a first for Windhager. We can park that chat. Uncontracted role player will get us a second rounder.

If Cmac or Flanders costs us a first. So does Windy in return.

All for the same reason right now.

P O T E N T I A L

 

[stavro#4]

Windy is a better player than those blokes. Gets it done both ways. Easy decision if we're talking a difference of 50k. Would be very counterintuitive if we're paying JSOS and not Windy. Makes no sense.

Looks let’s park the 50k chat. That’s not confirmed.

What I think is doing Windy in to an extent, is that I think they look at Boxshall and see everything they get from Windy in a better athlete, slightly taller andwho they might even think has a bigger ceiling.

 

[Moquo]

Finey hasn't even got a letter box.

Finey was the one that demanded we hire richo as coach

 

[OxSaint]

And Hall

I think Halls rise might have something to do with Ryan’s recruitment as well. We haven’t been able to push him through the middle this year because we are so thin in the small forward role.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Interestingly, his main opponent was subbed off today (Dear), so I wonder if that was because of Aleer doing a good job, or just him being off the boil.

I think that's more to do with Dears lack of a tank, atm
Been subbed off quite a few times this season

 

[OxSaint]

If Cmac or Flanders costs us a first. So does Windy in return.

All for the same reason right now.

P O T E N T I A L

Both are contracted. Windhager is not.

 

[stavro#4]

Both are contracted. Windhager is not.

Not a free agent.

Doesn’t get to Melbourne without a trade. It’s the Nas situation all over again.

We are protected by the need a trade has to occur.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

He seemed to have Dear checked. Still think he was the least of GWS troubles today, he just looked raw af.
Who were GWS missing in the backline today, because if he is a first back in a top eight team, what is the club seeing that we aren't?
Or has JSOS thrown a curve ball?

GWS were missing Jack Buckley, seen as one of the better key-defenders in the league.

 

[SaintlyHymns]

Not a free agent.

Doesn’t get to Melbourne without a trade. It’s the Nas situation all over again.

We are protected by the need a trade has to occur.

All teams below us have shown interest in him. If he's incensed enough I wouldn't be surprised if he walked to PSD

 

[stavro#4]

All teams below us have shown interest in him. If he's incensed enough I wouldn't be surprised if he walked to PSD

So if he wanted to go to Melbourne he would risk going to west coast?

 

[bird_man]

If Cmac or Flanders costs us a first. So does Windy in return.

All for the same reason right now.

P O T E N T I A L

You have said yourself he will never be an A grader and spent the last few pages pointing out his flaws, now you think we must get a first round pick for him if he leaves?

 

[SaintlyHymns]

So if he wanted to go to Melbourne he would risk going to west coast?

If the offer is good enough and the midfield time is available?

West Coast are rubbish on field right now but theyve got their shit together off it. 7 wins in past three seasons and they still get 45k fans to games.

I don't think it's as big a turn off to players as what others might.

 

[SaintlyHymns]

Also the longer it is before Twomey, Cleary, Edmund or Morris tweet about Windy the more convinced I am it's not entirely accurate.

You'd imagine they'd hit the phones today on it.

 

[stavro#4]

You have said yourself he will never be an A grader and spent the last few pages pointing out his flaws, now you think we must get a first round pick for him if he leaves?

Same reason people in here think Cmac isn’t that good or Flanders.

They still charge a premium for potential.

Same reason you argued Windhager might become an A grader. Potential

Disgusting word in sport.

 

[littlecreatures]

Interestingly that the only meaningful CBAs from Windy from rounds 16 onwards was when he tagged Pickett and Callaghan.

CBAs - DFS Australia

Centre Bounce Attendances are available from the 2020 season. Average refers to the percentage of CBAs each player has attended for the season (considering only those games they have played). Each round is denoted as percentage of CBAs attended for that round. Centre Bounce Attendance Percentage...

dfsaustralia.com

Similar theme earlier in the year. When not tagging. Wasn’t seen as a centre square mid.

By the same intent and purpose, do you have the CBAs this year for Flanders and McKenzie?

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

If the offer is good enough and the midfield time is available?

West Coast are rubbish on field right now but theyve got their shit together off it. 7 wins in past three seasons and they still get 45k fans to games.

I don't think it's as big a turn off to players as what others might.

Wouldn't think he's looking at going interstate

 

[stavro#4]

If the offer is good enough and the midfield time is available?

West Coast are rubbish on field right now but theyve got their shit together off it. 7 wins in past three seasons and they still get 45k fans to games.

I don't think it's as big a turn off to players as what others might.

But he isn’t asking to go to west coast. He has chosen Melbourne if we believe Finey.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

But he isn’t asking to go to west coast. He has chosen Melbourne if we believe Finey.

If he goes to the Dees, let's hope he turns out to be a Billings & Dunstan

 

[stavro#4]

By the same intent and purpose, do you have the CBAs this year for Flanders and McKenzie?

Same link mate.

For the record. I call Cmac another Max Hall.

And I posed the question in this thread that I have no idea what’s happened to Flanders. I want him. But he has half the disposals this year compared to last. So would be keen to see what his CBAs looked like in 2024

 

[littlecreatures]

So if he wanted to go to Melbourne he would risk going to west coast?

The club aren’t going to play hardball to the extent of Nas and use PSD as leverage. There just isn’t the appetite. Bigger fish to fry

 

[Obss]

I said before the Nas resigning I have more doubt over Windy than Nas. Honestly thought he’d sign after it was reported we upped the offer.

Regardless, will be shattered if he goes. Sets standards in terms of training and work ethic off field.